wickedevilsmile: I don't know what world Madame Speaker has been living in, but my real world looked nothing like the one she's talking about from 2016.
wickedevilsmile: Darlin Brat, While I agree with you I still respect the office and traditions of said office even if I can't respect the person in the office. I find it funny tho that she said Mr.Trump wasn't fit for office cause he doesn't honer the traditions of the office he holds. And the she disrespects the traditions of the office she holds.
Ambichous Darlin: Calling her a child is not disrespectful. She acted childish. I also respect the position, but respect will be given only to those whom deserve it. She threw a temper tantrum and disrespected each and every person that our President acknowledged on those papers who was in the audience when she tore up their names. For that, she not only is a child, but she is an unethical child at that.
RubyAdams: I saw that on the news. I'm torn (pun intended) I teach preschool, when on of my students rips a page out of a book or tears up a coloring sheet (etc) they face consequences. Even if it is just being asked "why did you do that?" And then telling them it's their job to put it back together (tape) or pick up the pieces or whatever. On the other hand, I felt disrespected, as a woman and US citizen, when one of the most vocal misogynists was given the Medel of Freedom. That told me that it's okay to call me or other women a slut because we demand access to birth control. It was a very shameful day all around.
wickedevilsmile: We live with free speech. How ever it cuts both ways. I'm free to say what I believe in, but it's going to offend someone. Also someone is going to ask something I don't agree with. They are completely with in their rights to do so. You can't have it both ways. You can't have free speech and also limit what others say. This is where grown up debate comes in. Sadly there hasn't been much grown up in government lately. On either side.
RubyAdams: Your freedoms end where mine begin. Calling a woman a vulgar name because she wants access to birth control is verbally abusive. Just like I can't tell "fire" in a movie theater. There are limits. Having freedoms comes with responsibilities. The right to petition the government comes with the responsibility to do so by appropriate ways and not nail a list to the White House door. Having the right to assemble means you also have the responsibility of filing the forms and assembling peacefully. Having freedom of speech comes with the responsibility to not use it to verbally assault someone or to advocate a crime (like death to so and so). Those 3 rights are all covered in the 1st Ammendment.
wickedevilsmile: Trouble here is I'm talking in generally. You want to complain about one thing here. Also we run into who decides. Calling names happens all the time. The same word can make one person mad and offended. The same word can roll off another. So who decides? Calling names peoe don't like is not against any law I know of. Here's the thing. I don't like the event you are talking about. I disagree with the view. How everyone has a right to their opinion. Even when it's wrong. Unless it breaks a law they are with in their rights.
EmmEffinPrincess: Actually, I know here in Georgia for a fact, if you call me a slut and I ask you not to, and you choose to call me a slut again, I can press charges for assault. I can slap the absolute shit from you. I could possibly even shoot you three times because your language made me feel threatened. You're still free to do so. But absolutely not free from legal consequences. I've tested this law. A man at a call center I worked at called me a bitch over and over, until I wrecked his face. He called the police on me. HE was the one arrested.
EmmEffinPrincess: Many states now define assault as "anything done or said that makes another uncomfortable, once you've been asked not to, it's assault" basically.
EmmEffinPrincess: Side note, the man I knocked the shit out of WAS able to force the call center to fire me. But I was fired for "negativity on the call floor", not for beating his face bloody
wickedevilsmile: For myself I find it funny how people have become so overly PC. They want freedoms then they want to vote away those very freedom's they want. People call me names all the time. I get called really nasty things by contractors at work. Mostly I respond yep I am. I hope you feel better now that you've vented. People spend so much time worrying about what people they don't like or know to start with think it's just a waste.
RubyAdams: I believe the definition of "not okay" (in my mind) is if the name is something you'd call your mother. That is strictly my definition
I think it enters offensive when the name is used because of their sex, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc etc. Being called names by contractors ... are they names based on your race? Gender? Or on your work ethic, quality of work, etc. There's a huge difference.
In this state (Washington) I got an anti harrassment order on a man who repeatedly called me a slut. I don't tolerate slut shaming.
wickedevilsmile: Again that's what you believe.one which I tend to share. But not everyone shares that. Which is their right. As is it for them to express their opinion. Doesn't mean I like it or agree or I'm not offended. But cause I don't like it doesn't make it any less their right.
Just my thoughts.
I think it enters offensive when the name is used because of their sex, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc etc. Being called names by contractors ... are they names based on your race? Gender? Or on your work ethic, quality of work, etc. There's a huge difference.
In this state (Washington) I got an anti harrassment order on a man who repeatedly called me a slut. I don't tolerate slut shaming.