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The Dark Flower
The Dark Flower: "People who tolerate bigotry are just as bad as those who engage in it."

This is the most illogical statement I have ever read in a long time...
Bigotry is to lack tolerance by definition...
If being a bigot is just as bad as having tolerance then what the hell do you think is good?

You can't fight bigotry with bigotry. All that does is it creates more bigotry.
You can't fight racism with racism. All that does is it creates more racism.
You can't fight fascism with fascism. All that does is it creates more fascism.

Hypocrites will always try to say one thing and do the other.
There is no logic or reasoning...

What a joke...
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Ravens Flight
Ravens Flight: It seems like logic is going extinct in favour of projective hypocritical virtue signalling... I couldn't even begin to try to understand such convoluted logic behind it if there were such a thing, but I think it is completely devoid of any...
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TwistedGoddess
TwistedGoddess: Redoing again sorry.
Tolerating bigotry means allowing the bigot to be hurtful to others. To make excuses for their behavior ,standing by, and defending their cruelty as being ok . Because it is just how they are. Instead of speaking up and telling them why it is
wrong. So being tolerant in this care is not being accepting it is going along with bigot and cosigning their bs.that is what it means by tolerating bigotry is just as bad as being a bigot. Like tolerating a bully and saying dont get mad they pushed you that is just how they are get over it.
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dpac720
dpac720: This is exactly why I can't get on board with the progressive mindset. Bottom line is this. We aren't meant to get along with everyone. We also aren't meant to just accept any and every new thing that comes along.

They want to control things that aren't meant to be controlled. When I say that, I'm referring to people's thoughts, ideas, preferences etc. Thinking they can change/fix human nature through social engineering. That's a problem not a solution.

Now, I'm sure you're going to ask, "is wanting to be accepted such a bad thing?" No. It isn't. What is bad is trying to force your will on to others. Making this a matter of, "my way or else."

I am not saying being hurtful to others is right. What I am saying is that trying to force acceptance will only cause animosity.

I have been all over the political spectrum before I called myself an individual. There is one thing both sides have in common, is that they don't like being told what to think.

Before someone here accuses me of defending bigotry, that's not what this is. What I am defending is free will. If people change, it's got to be because they want to. Not because they are guilted or shamed into it. That will just cause animosity and make the situation worse.

Once again, I am not excusing people being hurtful to others or defending bigotry. I'm just warning everyone of the massive trainwreck that is sure to follow from trying to force acceptance. That is not something you can force. It just doesn't work.
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hagenduz
hagenduz: " The universe consists of 5% protons, 5% neutrons, 5% electrons and 85% morons. "
Frank Zappa
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TwistedGoddess
TwistedGoddess in reply to dpac720: Exactly and we dont know everyone's circumstances. Individualism is good. Free thinking and free will are also good. The definitions of words are being squed right now. Preconceived notions are to be expected it is when we use them to control how others see the world they live in that they can become toxic. That being said we live in a world where others mental health and issues have become the focus of the larger majority. We are not responsible for an individual's mental health. They are solely responsible for their own issues and managing them. It has become to easy to play victim and whine about being triggered.
I understand my issues. Ik my triggers. I dont blame others that trigger my panic attacks unless they are disrespectful. If out in public I cant blame the group of men that are dressed similar to those that were cruel to me for dressing that way or using cologne that reminds me of them. They dont know me or my past; so, I need to proactively help myself.
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The Dark Flower
The Dark Flower in reply to TwistedGoddess: It's not my place to allow or disallow people anything. I was not defending anyone in particular in whatever debate that was occurring at the time. I'm no moderator. But after being accused of this nonsense, I examined the debate and realized this guy is full of shit.

His position was: Anyone who disagrees with me and claims they are correcting me in regarding what is true is a bigot.How the hell does that make sense?

The fact is, We all believe in what we believe is true even if what we believe is true may not be true to begin with. That's why so many people believe in so many different things. Correcting someone and disagreeing with them is not bigotry. You can tolerate people you disagree with fine and people who think they are right and try to correct you, even if they may be wrong, aren't lacking tolerance. They are trying to be helpful even if what they say may not be correct to begin with.

This guy truly does not understand what bigotry means.
If the moderator was a bigot, then why does he tolerate me when I completely oppose his beliefs and opinions? Because people who disagree and have different beliefs and opinions CAN tolerate each other fine and still be friends. We don't all have to agree and believe in the same things and share the same opinions JUST to tolerate each other.
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E s s e n c e
E s s e n c e: This is quite an interesting topic about ethics, it demand a dissection of what is the meaning to stand against bigotry, what is bigotry and the intentions behind our actions to understand who and what we really are.

Bigotry is the lack of intolerance as Dark pointed out. Intolerance, hate, love suffering are states of mind and emotions that when we embody them we become them. They are actions that represent us, that show what we are.
An example to counteract hate one has to embody the opposite attribute which is love, for sadness happiness, for ignorance knowledge, for bigotry is tolerance.

We definitely should be disgusted for the actions of a bigot; but becoming a bigot for the bigotry of others is just making an excuse to justify our hate and intolerance. I see a bigot that is against bigotry as a self serving public show; an egotistical justice by using humanism to elevate themselves above others.

Using bigotry to portray themselves as good human beings, disguising their self serving angenda behind the veil of morality, this is the true intention behind it all. We become what we are condemning on others, and if that isn't the objective, it sure is ironic how easily we become trapped by our own delusions of self grandeur; which our centralized perception of the self offers us.

In order to combat an state of disgust we must acquire and embody the opposite attributes to counteract it's force. Using disgust to counteract or fight disgust it doesn't create a better environment; but rather the continuation of the same disgust with different justifications for one another that prolongs hate, intolerance and polarization of views.
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E s s e n c e
E s s e n c e: I have the firm conviction that all ideas have the right to exist, even the most horrible ideas against our own humanity. Views must be battled in the market of ideas in order to understand them. The awareness of those ideas are an important tool for us to combat them with intelligence. If we suppress a view, the idea will materialize with violence in our social environment.

Understanding isnt a synonymous of acceptance, but rather is a tool to create the space for others to exist in our human experience so we can see ourselves in the world of others.

I am a Jew, I have come to the discovery of my human nature, and realized if I had the same intentions, desires, inclinations, opportunities, social network support and environment as all those people who participated in the Holocaust; I would have done the same thing as they have done it. I don't justify the Holocaust, but I understand their excuses and circumstances.

This perspective has allowed me to live without hate and recentment for the injustices done; as well, it gives me the warning that seemingly good people like myself, are capable of doing the worst things possible to others if the internal and external environment can germinate ideas into actions.

In my perspective, this is how one can battle a view in the market of ideas that are against humanism. With opposite attributes, with intelligence, firm knowledge on the self, and actively in balance to counteract a force of destruction that can destroy us within.
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KeithJ
KeithJ: Yeah seems like there is a lot supporters of fascism attached to the republican party now days .
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