 |             Karen33405: 3 years ago • Report 3 Karen33405: I got the Covid vaccine!  I received my first shot of Moderna yesterday. Second shot will be in four weeks. I have a sore arm. But other than no side effect.   attydallas3: Second shot of Moderna for the ladies is the "bad" one .. Hope you get through it O.K., Carein*** &:-) Paul  Mrs_Lara_M: i was meant to get my 1st one February 13th .I refused it .Each to their own but hell no for me attydallas3: Dang, looks like the made that dude lose his package .. I sure as hell ain't gettin' one, then  &:-) Paul  Sir Loin: All these antivaxxers make sure covid stays with us forever. Fools, but eventually they will die and leave those of us with immunity in peace  PumpkinMoondust in reply to Sir Loin: Always nice to wish someone dead cause you don't agree with their decisions. Quite classy, indeed. Mrs_Lara_M: Sir Lion. Let's see who's still around years down the line happy they had the vaccine when the potential harm of these vaccines starts to come to light. People going on about how they felt fine after the vaccine ummm of course you all will it's down the line when the real damage they may cause starts to show on your health. But yes Sir Lion feel free to call people fools for now. Freedom of choice yet you childishly start name calling those who don't agree with you. I am high risk I have no spleen I have to take anti biotics daily for life and still I would rather take my chances. At least I had the decency to say in my original post each to their own without the petty insults you gave.  Luviissa in reply to Mrs_Lara_M: Yes Hun, I am a Senior Nurse Practitioner of over 20 years experience in A&E , our UK version of your ER in the US. I asked because I am curious about your stance on the CV vaccinations . You mention that you "have no spleen" so am presuming you have had a Splenectomy at some point. Not my particular area of expertise but I do know that any Splenectomy usually involves an extensive range of Vaccinations either immediately pre or post Surgery ( More commonly pre-surgical)  Mrs_Lara_M:
Splenectomy on 2002. I have 3 annual vaccines. I have a BoS in Biology from Western University Colorado. Its my personal choice not to have this particular vaccine it's also the choice of many health professionals in my country and others. As I said each to their own but it's not for me
PumpkinMoondust: I also am not getting it because I have a horrid fear of needles...we all do what works best for us, and wishing someone dead because they don't think and operate as you do is quite odd, hateful and offputting, to say the least. Luviissa in reply to Mrs_Lara_M: That's certainly not the case with HCP in my hospital for example where the uptake of offered Vaccinations is over 97% of staff and in my particular Dept, Accident and Emergency, it's over 99% . I for example had the Pfizer Vaxes, first one on the 9th of Dec , 2nd day of the UK rollout and my 2nd on the 30th of Dec due to the level of risk we are exposed to as we are working directly treating patients with Covid . I personally would have both my children vaccinated tomorrow if they were eligible. Luviissa in reply to PumpkinMoondust: Yes Baph , couldn't agree more Hun. There is a way to have a civilised discussion or even a difference of opinion without resorting to hateful comments and insults 🇺🇸🇬🇧 Mrs_Lara_M: I wouldn't let the vaccine near my children. Like I said everyone has their own thoughts and opinions. I'm not telling anyone not to have it nor am I attacking people who do. Unlike some people above lol  UofMBuckeyeLove in reply to Mrs_Lara_M: Ok I'm going to put UT this way if you get your kids normal vaccine like ful, measles, an others then you should really think about getting them covid vaccine as well. It us no different. My Brother is a doctor in pharmacy. He an all his girls will be getting the vaccine. Luviissa: The only thing I would say is that the fly in the ointment is the propensity of CV to mutate so rapidly. Speaking to a Consultant Virologist within my Hospital he was saying that in his 34 years of practice, he has never come across a Virus with such swift viral evolution. Be safe all 🇬🇧🌷🇺🇸 Sir Loin: Balph, I didn't wish you dead at all, merely stating that antivaxxers will be removed from the gene pool by natural selection. It's how evolution works, survival of the fittest and all that....? PumpkinMoondust in reply to Sir Loin: ya kinda did, but somewhat admirable that you're now trying to pretty it up Sir Loin in reply to PumpkinMoondust: No Mate, it's the truth. When vaccines were introduced for smallpox, Measles, Diptheria etc many people refused and they or their children caught the disease and died. The result was those diseases stayed with us for quite some time, until most of us were immune through vaccination. Now many of the old diseases just dont exist any more
PumpkinMoondust in reply to Sir Loin: Ok, one: I'm not your mate (and I happen to be a woman) and two: you're now trying to puss out cause you were confronted about a venomous, hateful comment you made all because I don't think and operate the way you do....guess my kids and my unborn child would be better off though, huh? Sir Loin in reply to PumpkinMoondust: Oh come on Balph, read what I said. Nothing the slightest venomous there. BTW Mate is a common term of address in NZ and Australia, it means nothing more than Sir, Ma'am, or friend. PumpkinMoondust: Sir Loin: All these antivaxxers make sure covid stays with us forever. Fools, but eventually they will die and leave those of us with immunity in peace yeah...nothing venomous about that at all, ya twat mongering putz attydallas3: Pharmacists are apparently now "floor walkers" at stores, asking shoppers (such as myself this afternoon) whether we have been vaxed yet. She offered to shoot me right then when I told her "not yet" , possibly even for free since I don't have health ins. However, I told her I would only go with the J & J vaccine, since it has not apparently any bad side effects vs. the other two. Nope, she only had Moderna to give me, to which I said thanks for no thanks. However, I'm beginning to wonder now about J & J, given the incident earlier this week when they had patients react to it right after injection, included several who "fainted". wth??? &:-) Paul . Luviissa in reply to attydallas3: To put things into context Hun, out of the first 20 Million Doses of AZ vaccination in the UK , there were reports of 19 issues with Blood Clots with no direct Causal evidence . That is less than 1 in 1 Million vaccinations . In contrast , the most commonly prescribed Female Contraceptive Pill has a Blood Clot linked rate of 5- 12 cases per 10,000 users after a years use of the pill. That's 500-1,200 per Million. That kind of puts the risk of the AZ Vax into some sort of framed reference . 🇬🇧🌷 Oh_No_Not_Again: I had 2 shots of the Pfizer, just a sore arm for a day, no other side effects. I recommend the vaccine because getting covid could kill you Luviissa in reply to Oh_No_Not_Again: And equally important, it could kill others who have come into contact with you Hun  XHuntressX: I have a friend who got the Moderna Vaccine...and is now Paralyzed from it. It did something to their central nervous system and now the signals from brain to legs...No longer work. They have no recourse to have this reaction treated either...because this Vaccine is labeled as EU ( Emergency Use ) it is not FDA approved! What this means...Is my friend now has to cover every expense that arises from this reaction...out of their own pocket!! The Vaccine companies...have zero culpability for people who receive it while it is EU. So they now have to pay for all medical docs fees, labs, Imaging...Wheelchair All by themselves...with absolutely 0 help from the Vaccine manufacturers. So people are getting harmed....while Vaccine companies make billions in revenue from this! Also you should be aware....They felt fine too after the 1st and 2nd doses...just a sore arm and some tiredness.. Then a few weeks later....they were paralyzed....and again...News is not reporting this!!! So I think this should be a individual personal choice....whether or not to receive this thing while it is EU and not FDA approved. Just because you feel it is the right choice for you....doesn't mean it is a right choice for someone else....cause right now...My friend is wishing they NEVER got that vaccine....because it has altered their quality of life!!! Luviissa in reply to XHuntressX: Hello to you. Very sorry to read of your friend's Paralysis Hun. Reading quickly through your post, am I correct in thinking that this was definitely a Neurological Paralysis rather than any as yet undiagnosed Physical cause ? I do know that here in the UK, the Moderna Vaccine was given the final authority for full use by the JCVI (Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation) last week to be used in conjunction with the Pfizer and AZ Vax as part of the UK Vaccination programme. I am currently in my car about to enter my hospital to start my shift here but in my break I will contact one of our Hospital Senior Clinical Pharmacists and the Duty Registrar in our large Neurology Dept to see whether they have come across such an extreme and life changing reaction to the Moderna Vaccine. Lulu ClassicCarTunes: I am a heart patient. I had to really think about whether I would want to get the vaccination. The idea of having a wrecked life afterwards is not something I care to ponder but I also do not want to be a carrier of the virus either. The idea that I could cause someone to die by being in a closed space and pass COVID to someone's dad or mom bothers me. Thus this morning I will get the first of two Pfizer shots. I could die of a heart attack tomorrow anyway so for me getting the shot just makes sense. I am sorry if others are having severe reactions. From the case tests last year there were no reports of anyone being paralyzed. I am sure it can happen. There are insects in this world that if they bite you can kill you within hours. If I lived in fear of insects I would be a wreck. I think that big thing right now is to have resolve, know the facts but there is risk-taking either way you go. If I decided to not get the vaccine I would definitely be wearing a mask indoors until I hear that the the virus risk is over. As that could take some time I would be wearing a mask for a couple of years I think. Or move to Gilligan's Island  The fear factor can cause severe anxiety and can lead to a ruined life as well. Fight fear with faith! Dont cave into the fear being pumped out by the media! Avoid the news if you have to ... Karen33405 in reply to ClassicCarTunes: Classic, but living on Gilligan’s Island with Ginger and MaryAnn wouldn’t be so bad. Luviissa in reply to ClassicCarTunes: Hi and absolute respect to you for your attitude and I hope today's Vaccination went well for you. I too had the Pfizer and only experienced localised soreness, which is to be expected in any Intramuscular injection. Best wishes to you for the future NawtySpankableWench, I contacted both the HCP I mentioned in my previous post. The Hospital Senior Clinical Pharmacist replied that they have received no data at all about the possibility of Paralysis from either Neurological or Physical causes related to the receiving of the Moderna Vaccine. The Role of a Hospital Senior Clinical Pharmacist is primarily and solely that of Medicinal Safety. They do not dispense or prescribe. They advise as regards safety and side and counter indications of Medicines used within our cluster of large hospitals and satellite Healthcare Facilities within our City and area. As the Moderna Vaccine was only approved last week by the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) here in the UK and was only offered as an alternative vaccine from last week initially in Wales, any data would be absolutely current. That approval would not have been granted if data from countries where the Moderna Vaccine has already been widely administered such as the US, had indicated that there was any possibility of the type of Profound Paralyse sadly experienced by your friend. I received a quick reply from the Duty Registrar Neurologist within our large Neurological Dept and he expressed considerable doubt that the Moderna Vaccine would cause such Paralysis based on how the Vaccine actually works Physiologically. Every Vaccine works in a different way within the body and dependant on the intended Medical Efficacy of a vaccine. Now certain vaccines can have profound effects Neurologically such as the Vaccine for Japanese Encephalitis but that is because Japanese Encephalitis actually attacks Neurologically and it's high mortality rate is primarily due to extreme swelling and inflammation within the brain. I sincerely hope that you friend receives a full diagnosis of the reason for their paralysis and that any paralysis is either temporary or of such a type that a legal route can be pursued to aid in the funding of any treatment necessary and to provide as comfortable a life as possible. Best wishes to you both. 🇺🇸🇬🇧🌷Be safe everyone, Lulu 🌹  Srchng4Truth: I took the Pfizer vaccine and had no significant effects other than about 24 hours of pain in my shoulder where the shots were administered. Nawty: In the paperwork I was given, it talks of a Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program. From the form: "The Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP) is a federal program that may help pay for costs of medical care and other specific expenses of certain people who have been seriously injured by certain medicines or vaccines, including this vaccine. Generally, a claim must be submitted to the CICP within one (1) year from the date of receiving the vaccine. To learn more about this program, visit www.hrsa.gov/cicp/ or call 1-855-266-2427." I recognize you said your friend got the Moderna vaccine, but perhaps your friend could check into whether that vaccine is also covered by this program.  swtnibbles3 in reply to Srchng4Truth: That is true for the 3 drugs that have been given Emergency Use Authorization. That has been in effect since the beginning.. (Post deleted by swtnibbles3 ) swtnibbles3: Hunty, see below for a great example of how well our system works here in acting quickly regarding adverse reactions. Currently the J&J is being suspended. This was posted by an epidemologist. Currently the locations here in NYS are all calling and reaching out to those scheduled, to get theminto the queue for Moderna or Phizer. Th system does work. &J Vaccine Pause Today, out of an abundance of caution, J&J vaccines were paused in the US. On a personal note, I received the J&J vaccine.😊 Let me help you sift through these headlines and hopefully calm some fears you might have. ✅ 7 million doses of the J&J vaccines have been administered. Of those, 6 people developed a rare blood clot. Key things to keep in mind: 1. All six recipients were women between the ages of 18 and 48. 2. All clots occurred between days 6 to 13. 3. This is comparable to what was observed with the clots seen after AstraZeneca vaccines in the UK. Those were 4 out of 1 million people, all women between the same ages, and occurred between days 6 to 28 after the vaccine. The J&J and AstraZeneca vaccines are both the same adenovirus type (instead of the mRNA vaccine types) - so, that's why I'm comparing them. 4. These are very, very rare and the pause is part of due diligence with vaccine trials and roll-out. Identifying these events and pausing after 6 people shows that the public health vaccine surveillance system in the US is working. Picking out these 6 events out of the 7 million doses that have already been administered should signal to us that our systems are working. 5. I do not want to downplay these events. But, they do need to be put into context of the overall risk. - Blood clots associated with COVID-19 are MUCH higher (see the graphic). 6 out of a million with the vaccine versus 165,000 with COVID-19. The risk is much higher if you actually get COVID. -The risk of clots with birth control pills or smoking is also much higher (see the graphic). 6. Tomorrow the CDC and FDA will jointly examine possible links in a meeting with the outside advisory committee. I know many of you have questions about what you should do if you already received the J&J vaccine. Should you monitor for symptoms? Are the clots only within the first 2 weeks? Should you get another one if you're between those ages and a woman? I do expect those recommendations to come tomorrow after the meeting. I'll keep you updated. Remember correlation does not equal causation. I hope this post helps squash some of your fears. Many of you are already at an anxious point in the pandemic and I bet these headlines do not help. Stay encouraged, friends. Remember the big picture and the system is working. XHuntressX: Turns out it was NOT the Vaccine. They found some ticks....which were in her hair. They have removed them...and they are hoping things will begin to improve....so I will apologize for not waiting to post til all the information was back! Sorry if my post scared people. I will how ever take a moment and remind people to check their pets and themselves good , including your hair after spending time outdoors, for ticks. swtnibbles3 in reply to XHuntressX: I don't think you scared anyone, just merely once again proved that shooting out something without all the facts does take those of us who do try to research and respond based on science some time. Our system does work, there are and have been processs in place to compensate people who might be harmed by these drugs. As for the Johnson and Johnson issues that were just discovered, these are so minimal and with such a small group of demographics it gives me renewed confidence in our system that we are being transparent and getting work out as quickly as possible when these problems crop up.  AretoNyx: With time better things can happen. Hope with learning such ways people also as majority try to do better. Karen33405: In 2 weeks I’ll get my 2nd shot of Moderna. I can’t wait. I’ll be fully vaccinated before Memorial Day weekend when there’ll be an expected uptick in infections.  swtnibbles3: I got my 2nd Moderna on Sunday very little after effects !!! Hopefully by Memorial Day even more will be protected down there. Karen33405 in reply to swtnibbles3: Hopefully more will be vaccinated everywhere. But I read demand shows signs of slowing down which is concerning. I think less than 25% of the US population is fully vaccinated. We have to get to 70%-85% to attain herd immunity. swtnibbles3 in reply to Karen33405: That's quite true Karen, currently in my county they are begging people to walk in several of the mass vaccination sites we have set up. I belong to a group on face book that helps people schedule and even that group is slowing. Currently we have the highest infection rate in the state and have more in the hospital now, then last year at the beginning. People need to understand it will only be effective if everyone who can, gets their shots. AretoNyx: Hopefully after school lets out more kids get one. I hope to get my kids vaccinated too. My oldest doesn't want to miss any more school for it though, and my youngest can not get one yet. Many are getting more nervous about them but I am unsure if such nervousness is from misinformation or not understanding such things in general. AretoNyx: I made a post in forums about if people are getting it and some guy there thinks it altered DNA , but I told him I didn't turn into a mutant. Karen33405 in reply to AretoNyx: Pfizer is approved for 16+. They're working on the data to get it approved for 12-15. |
