I AM MUSLIM: WORSHIP THE CREATOR, AND NOT THE CREATIONS! Be that creation..... - the sun, - the moon - the stars - trees or nature - animals - or even human beings All are creations and therefore BY DEFINITION can not be the creator, and thus CAN NOT be... GOD ALMIGHTY!!! Make sense???
shadowline: But you are simply SAYING that the sun and the moon and the rest are creations, and therefore not the Creator. You are merely saying that therefore there must be a Creator. Anyone can SAY that. That doesn't make it so. Does it?
awfa: the attribute of creator is to create. If He does not create anything then he is not a creator. IF there is a design then there must be someone who designed it. Everything to evolve just by itself is not possible..each and everything is complex invidually. If you show a paint and tell there is not painter then it is not possible. And a paint cant produce itself either it cant be the painter itself.
goodvibe19: you can not seperate the paint from the painter nor can you seprate the painter from the creator becaus it exists in reality and in spirit as an undvided whole. example.. the creator inspired the painter through spirit to create using the medim paint according to the expression that is a direct representaion of the will of the creator, all are in harmony creator, painter, paint, to reflect the glory of the creator.
awfa: how does this proof that the creations are God or creator? Your point proofs that there is only one real creator who created everything..had he not created the painter and gave him the ability the painter would not have been able to paint at all. So the Creator is inifinite and the creations being finite. So that clearly distinguished both. The creator is always the creator and he creates what He wills..the creations cant cretae themselves without the creator. " Allah has created all things and He is the agent on which all things depend" " There is nothing like unto HIm and He is the hearer and seer of all"
awfa: IMaginary..if u really think so and when u die u find no God then good for u..but if its the opposite...just think..there is lot to be sorry about. So if u die and find about God what wil u do then?
awfa: u want to know the definition of God? "1.Say He is Allah the one and only, 2. Allah the absolute eternal, 3. He begets not nor is He begotten, 4. HE is unique." chapter 112 verse 1-4 @ imaginary
goodvibe19: awfa how do u seperate God from his creation? they are one in spirit, infinitely linked ,although man in body is finite in soul which is created by God he is infinite and one with Him, there is no division in spirit. "In him we think move and have our being". Things of the world are finite. Islam,Christanity and Judism all teach the imortality of the soul do they not? Creator does not create only in the sense of bringing things into being, He. also preserves them and takes them out of existence and is the ultimate cause of whatever happens to them, therfore they are linked although man is not divine he has a soul in him that is a link to the divine therfore undivided.
kingseamonkey: God/s are an abstract metaphysical construct.
The law of non contradiction states: 1 is true(proven) or all are false(dismissable), In all theistic faiths not 1 book or scripture can be proven over another, not 1 is superior ... All dismissable!
Nor methodology, not temples built or deities and there attributes... All dismissable!
The 1 common denominator, historically, globally is the personification of creation and death.
Along the way many gods have had many jobs. Explaining the how's and whys of what we failed to understand of our environment, world and universe. The gods diminished as the knowledge of man grew, the mysteries fell...
The greatest mysteries are still creation and death, the personification continues...
Your faith is your choice, your religion and all that comes with it is nearly bells and whistles, Christian, Hindu, Pagan whatever your religion is purely an aesthetic...
The drapes through which you view the world outside your window, the same drapes you pull to block out things you don't what to see.
To take "the leap of faith" demands the surrender of objectivity, analytical thought and rationale, it demands the perpetual suspension of disbelief and logic...
To find fault, dilemma or contradiction in any of the terribly translated, biased and self preserving circular logic of any of the holy scriptures of any of the faiths is a failing in the faithful believer, or theologian or skeptic...
Personification is something inherent in the human psyche.. It's a naive logic. Men apply what they know to define answers without solid tangible mechanics, they theorise, have ideas... Create!!!
In an age where man had discovered so little, man "created" so much...
In his vanity, self righteousness, genuine curiosity, wonder and a need for answers... Man created....
Man created god.
Any and all things attributed to god/s powers, events, character... Are all projected upon said deity by man... Man decides! Man creates religions, man writes " inspired" or not, the scriptures, man controls other men, the "words of god/s"
A powerful word, words are extremely powerful. They can evoke so many notions, idea and emotions. God is a word that can be applied anywhere at anytime to anything. Just as, say antichrist can or heretic or witch. The most common example of this premise is the war on terror!!! Faceless, and yet everywhere, convenient!!
Science seeks answers and provide proof, religions claim to know and demand faith without tangible evidence...
Knowledge of our universe has diminished the gods, as I stated earlier!!!
The greatest mysteries still remain, so does the personification!
Be that creation.....
- the sun,
- the moon
- the stars
- trees or nature
- animals
- or even human beings
All are creations and therefore BY DEFINITION can not be the creator,
and thus CAN NOT be... GOD ALMIGHTY!!! Make sense???
If you show a paint and tell there is not painter then it is not possible.
And a paint cant produce itself either it cant be the painter itself.
" Allah has created all things and He is the agent on which all things depend"
" There is nothing like unto HIm and He is the hearer and seer of all"
"1.Say He is Allah the one and only,
2. Allah the absolute eternal,
3. He begets not nor is He begotten,
4. HE is unique." chapter 112 verse 1-4 @ imaginary
The law of non contradiction states:
1 is true(proven) or all are false(dismissable),
In all theistic faiths not 1 book or scripture can be proven over another, not 1 is superior ... All dismissable!
Nor methodology, not temples built or deities and there attributes... All dismissable!
The 1 common denominator, historically, globally is the personification of creation and death.
Along the way many gods have had many jobs. Explaining the how's and whys of what we failed to understand of our environment, world and universe. The gods diminished as the knowledge of man grew, the mysteries fell...
The greatest mysteries are still creation and death, the personification continues...
Your faith is your choice, your religion and all that comes with it is nearly bells and whistles, Christian, Hindu, Pagan whatever your religion is purely an aesthetic...
The drapes through which you view the world outside your window, the same drapes you pull to block out things you don't what to see.
To take "the leap of faith" demands the surrender of objectivity, analytical thought and rationale, it demands the perpetual suspension of disbelief and logic...
To find fault, dilemma or contradiction in any of the terribly translated, biased and self preserving circular logic of any of the holy scriptures of any of the faiths is a failing in the faithful believer, or theologian or skeptic...
Personification is something inherent in the human psyche.. It's a naive logic. Men apply what they know to define answers without solid tangible mechanics, they theorise, have ideas... Create!!!
In an age where man had discovered so little, man "created" so much...
In his vanity, self righteousness, genuine curiosity, wonder and a need for answers... Man created....
Man created god.
Any and all things attributed to god/s powers, events, character... Are all projected upon said deity by man... Man decides! Man creates religions, man writes " inspired" or not, the scriptures, man controls other men, the "words of god/s"
A powerful word, words are extremely powerful. They can evoke so many notions, idea and emotions. God is a word that can be applied anywhere at anytime to anything. Just as, say antichrist can or heretic or witch. The most common example of this premise is the war on terror!!! Faceless, and yet everywhere, convenient!!
Science seeks answers and provide proof, religions claim to know and demand faith without tangible evidence...
Knowledge of our universe has diminished the gods, as I stated earlier!!!
The greatest mysteries still remain, so does the personification!
Personification and aesthetics!