 |             Super Esquire: No Arab countries want the Palestinians into their countries. They are blockading the Palestinians from leaving gaza.  michael666555444: United Arab Emirates have population density of just one fourth of Israel and also they have four times the area (around the same population in both), and of course they are vastly richer than Israel in any way, yet they won't admit the palestines they "care about" so much.  Him_over_there in reply to michael666555444: So. The logic of what you two ‘analysts’ are saying here is that if a thief breaks into somebody’s house, kills one of the householders, beats the others, takes over the entire premises and consigns the whole family who were peacefully living there to the basement.. the blame lies with the people next door, because they wont house the victims. No doubt the family in the basement are also terrorists if they attempt to break free and reclaim their home by force? Super Esquire: Except this land has been the promised land for thousands and thousands of years of one ppl and not the other. Everywhere you turn in Israel you have archaeologists unearthing thousands of years old Israelite cities spoken of in the bible--I know some of these professionals personally. The palestians have no such objective legacy, in comparision. Their historical claim is comparatively so shallow, of more recent vintage. They seen to be more defined by opposition to jews then by intrinsic prior conciousness. It is so well known that the land of Canaan is israelie land, that's why the u.s. finally moved our embassy to Jerusalem. But, To address your metaphor... the palestians came and dwelt on a property that previous owners had been forceably abandoned from, but the little time palestians were there they didnt do squat with the property. If they had, there might not have been the english balfour decree, and Truman's israel recognition. The land of israel was blighted and deserted for centuries before the jews returned--doubting this fact is an objective, historical falsity. The jews made the land blossom.as a rose. And they brought a world class orchestra, even. After historical owner, the jews, who had been earlier forcibly exiled, return to this blighted land, jews say to the palestians, you can still stay here, we both can. But the "palestians" (who came to later use this term) start attacking the jews for not believing religionwise as them. So the jews move them in the basement to avoid fighting all the time. And the neighbor next door says look at those ppl in the basement, I feel sorry for them. and we say, if you care, help us help the palestians. We have to be realistic, the jews never want to be muslims, and we gotta stop this dog and cat fighting.. let's reboot and move the palestians into Arabic dessert land, dig a bunch of water wells and be awesome town. Super Esquire: On another level, it's just a matter of land usage. You go where there is space, and live in peace. There's just too many jews in Palestine, and they got too much going on there now. Palestinians have gotta get out of the packed ppl area and into a landspread of their own, and more around religious ppl they like. Super Esquire: Pre 1948, there were vast swaths of undeveloped, and uninhabitated land in Israel, and that's where the jews moved in. There are documentaries on this. The palestian arabs and jews could live together if they didn't fight like cats and dogs. But the Jews don't want to be muslims, and that's what it comes down to. But the Arabian palestians want the jews to (1) convert, (2) leave or (3) die. A few things wrong with these three options. First, jews cannot be converted by force, only logic and reasoning; the Jewish ppl have been persecuted for centuries, but remain jews. Second, the jews aren't leaving bc they they think they have objective historical claim. Third, should jews die? Even if the Arabian Palestinians could overpower the jews it would be a bloody mess on both sides. It's best to put some space between the ppls and take a time out. Constant tension isn't worth it, especially when there is a lot of dessert land we can convert into livable space. Give me a bunch of water drilling rigs and we will change the whole scene. Super Esquire: We will do what the Mormons did in the dessert, we will make the dessert blossom as a rose, and bring peace to this region. Super Esquire: When the first jews landed in Palestine in the 1940s and 50s it was a miserable, blighted place for them, the only consolation being they had a reprieve from the gas chambers and pogroms. Super Esquire: I bet you Michael666 can come up with documentaries of the blighted condition of palestine at the time of the British control of palestine, during the time of the balfour decree. And wouldn't have made sense to put more ppl in there if the land were already packed with ppl. Him_over_there in reply to Super Esquire: Much of your reply [superguyhere] (esp. 2nd to 5th entries) is incoherent babbling. And filling a space with worthless, confused/conflicting ideas doesn't win you any awards. So I’ll briefly deal with your first entry. Your explanation and ‘justification’ for Israeli genocide is hung on a fanatical, religious notion that God ‘promised’ a vaguely located land, whose borders remain unbridled by the greed of Zionism’s bulging eyeballs, to a ‘chosen’ people.. Namely you; you and any other miscreant character willing to merge religious fanaticism with a criminal motivation to steal land. Or to put it in your words: “this land has been the promised land for thousands and thousands of years of one ppl” Your other claim [superguyhere] that the architecture of the historic Palestinian region, or ‘Israel’, proves it’s all Jewish owned is also untrue - Just perusing the most famous architectural sites of Zionist occupied Palestine reveals: The Masada Fortress (Roman), Church of Saint Anne (Roman Catholic), Church of the Holy Sepulchre (Byzantine Christian), destroyed by the Fatimid caliphate then rebuilt by Latin Crusaders of the Roman Catholic Church. The Latrun Monastery: founded by French, Trappist Monks (Cistercian of of the Roman Catholic Church). Perhaps Israel should be owned and controlled by the Pope in Rome? if we employ your logic that is. Him_over_there in reply to Lucy Bullish Pearl: You’re most welcome [Being Lucy Pearl]. And it is a rare pleasure to discover an American with the strength of character to resist an ever-flowing flood of Zionist propaganda, which gushes constantly from a shamelessly biased mainstream media. Super Esquire: Him, there are many hebrew archaeological sites all over israel, thousands of years old. This is nothing new. Also, repeatedly, the palestians have rejected a two state solution. It is unrealistic to think Israel has no right to exist. Super Esquire: As far as the blighted condition of land when jews started returning, it was recommended to me to read Mark twains book on subject. Super Esquire in reply to Super Esquire: It doesn't seem like the Palestinians want to live side by side with the jews, but just want to wipe the jews off the planet, which is unrealistic. This is why I suggested the third option of bringing alive the arid dessert land, and giving the two ppls space. Super Esquire: What other logical conclusion can one come to, given the palestians have repeatedly rejected the two state solution? (See video) Super Esquire: If the jews are petty, and use sniper rifles against innocents, I wouldn't want to live by them either. I would want to get out of there. Super Esquire: I question whether israel is using gratuitous violence, but if they are, I would want to get out of there. |
Norman Finkelstein: “Israel is poisoning one million children in Gaza. - That’s a fact.”