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Viva la Bolivarian Revolution !
80% of Venezuelans turn out, ensuring Chavez is re-elected to pursue Socialist agenda:
Why label President Hugo Chávez a 'Dictator' after he accrued over eight million votes against a coalition of 30 opposition Capitalist parties in a closely monitored election, more modern and open than for example that which gave George W Bush his power base in the U.S. 2000 winter election; which was so close and so embroiled in faulty mechanisms, recounts and arbitrary discretion that presidential authority and power drifted back and forth with the winds of frantic rumour, media hype and legal challenges for almost three months of constitutional consternation, calls of conspiracy and concern over corruption.
Even ex U.S. president Jimmy Carter remarked, "As a matter of fact, of the 92 elections that we've [the Carter Centre] monitored, I would say the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world". And this s not a lone appraisal. Since 2004 Venezuela has employed a highly sophisticated electronic voting technology, which not only enables instant verification of data but gives a receipt after each vote is placed.
So fair were the elections in fact, that, and in accordance with regulation, there are many reports of polling stations holding their doors open, some two and a half hours after the official closing time of 6.00pm in order to allow those queuing outside to participate.
Sindyana: any president stays too much it means he is very bad one , All those Gov's are bad people soon people will discover , I hope it's not too late !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sindyana: Yes, MY friend muklis06, changing is bad for bad people , they do not know how to live honestly
adrianxx: 80%? youre wrong dude.. 52% and left a divided country.. wish you could come to venezuela and live it for yourself, there is no socialism at all.. what we have is one of the most dangerous countries of the world thanks to the 14 years of bad administration
adrianxx: Hugo Chavez is dead, but he is no hero. Even as his supporters pour into the streets to mourn their fallen idol, the damage he caused to Venezuela is incalculable.
From an over-dependence on oil revenues, to a forced nationalization of the private economy, and a personal foreign policy of ego gratification, Chavez leaves a Venezuela in chaos, with weak institutions and an uncertain future.
History will not be kind to him. His petro-socialism was never a self-sustaining economic or social development model. Venezuela under Chavez's reign has deteriorated to the point where it must import milk. Chavez's Venezuela can no longer feed itself.
Hugo Chavez lied to the people, convincing many that his magical powers would save them from misery. There was no magic solution to resolve Venezuela's myriad social problems.
Even as he jetted across the globe with allies like Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Chavez tolerated waves of urban violence -- turning Caracas into one of the most violent cities in the world.
Among his other international adventures, Chavez supported the FARC terrorists fighting the democratically elected government of Colombia (a country also founded by Bolivar!). His attempt to play the regional leader met with widespread ridicule -- even generating the now famous royal command to "shut up" from King Juan Carlos, a normally very calm man driven to desperation by Chavez's offish behavior at a summit. Being dressed down in public by the King of Spain is an unmatched achievement in the annals of modern Ibero-American relations.
Public corruption, including the enrichment of the Chavez family, has also damaged Venezuela. Like the wounds created by the Peron regime in Argentina, the social fabric has been torn. Divide and conquer of different social sectors has been Chavez's formula for continuing as paramount leader of Venezuela.
While another key component of this formula has been the militarization of the regime, and in turn, the politicization of the armed forces. Bribed with outlandish weapons purchases and generous patronage, Chavez remade the Venezuelan military into a tool of his rule.
Chavez will go the way of many highly theatrical dictators. Once upon a time there was a statue of Francisco Franco in almost every city and town in Spain, his profile appeared on Spanish coins, and he paraded himself from the King's Balcony at Madrid's Royal Palace, resplendent banners dating from the Spanish Empire draped in front of him.
Now? Franco is seen for what he truly was -- a dictator with a megalomaniacal self-regard and a willingness to commit violence in order to stay in power. Today, no more statues, no more coins, nada. That is the fate of Hugo Chavez's place in history as well.
You misread the first line of this post; it's an 80% turn-out of voters, which is very high, and a sign of healthy democratic expression.
Under the banner of a Bolivarian Revolution Hugo Chavez won with 54.4% of the vote against a Capriles led coalition of Capitalist parties.
The division you speak of does exist in every nation. It's the division between different classes and layers of society. Normally the wealthy elites dominate the Peasantry and Working class by a myriad of both tangible and invisible threads, but here the ideals of Socialism have re-awakened the oppressed masses of Venezuela.
I agree with you that Socialism does not yet exist in Venezuela. Essentially it is still a Capitalist society, but some moves in the direction of Socialism have been enacted. and this is thanks to Hugo Chavez and the Socialist revolutionists who are fighting to save the Country from malevolent forces of corporate greed, international conspirators:
(most notably in the shape of a shameless North American backed coup) and criminal gangs which are being deliberately sponsored by the beneficiaries of a privileged elite, to destabilize a fledgling Revolution and discredit the progress achieved.
There are also those Workers who actually believe the effluent propaganda being constantly pumped from an overwhelmingly privately owned media:
So it doesn't surprise me that you've copy and pasted one of New York based huffingtonpost's many delusional propaganda pieces. You're not the first to fall for this ploy, but I'm sure Wireclub users would prefer to hear your own opinions.
adrianxx: Have you ever been in Venezuela? not everything is how you look it from the outside or want to believe it is... and that article is very but very close to the reality we are living. Ive lived in Venezuela for my whole life... different to you who lives in London, ive seen how my country in the last 14 years has been going from bad to worst, and my political thinking is very far from being a capitalist, i am sure i am even more socialist than most of the people of this regime who doesnt seems to know very well about what socialism really is about.
Poor people are even more poor now, and rich people got richer, we even have a new social class called BoliBurgois as bolivarian burgois who have big and very expensive cars, houses, they travel a lot and like the good life, most of them people who work with the government or have contracts for doing a building or a road or something like that..
Infrastructure is worst than before, the same roads of the past governments, and more slums... chavez expropiated many things to improve them but now they are worst, we used to have a cement industry under private hands, that industry was nationalized, now come and find a bag, the production is waaaaaay less than before so there is no cement... we are a country that is not producing enough and we have to import many of the things that people consume... only this year the coin got devaluated 95%. First in february, taking the dollar from 4,3BsF to 6,3BsF... thats 47% and a few days ago they changed it and its not 6,3BsF per dollar but 9,3BsF a 48% more... while the salaries are still the same (1.795BsF)... and that exchange rate is with the official dollar, and to get that official dollar you need a credit card (that poor people dont have) to get 3000$ a year, if you want more you need to buy parallel dollar wich is today in 25 BsF per dollar.. and thats the price we get things in the supermarkets and in stores..
Insecurity.. you dont even want to know about it, kidnapping is very normal thing to happen every night and homicides are even more common, last year more than 21.000 people were killed in hands of insecurity, yes twenty one thousand people that number has been climbing since the first year of Chavez government in 1999, that year 5.868 venezuelans got killed in hands of insecurity.. in the 14 years of government more than 177.000 venezuelans have been killed.
Chavez made some missions, for education, health and housing... they are all great, but all of them dont work as they should or were supposed to, now more people know how to read, but most of popular schools are falling down and kids from public schools have less chance to get to the public good universities like Universidad Central de Venezuela or Universidad Simon Bolivar than kids from private schools.. so private schools are still working better after 14 years of government. About health, well the doctors in those little hospitals are cuban doctors, and they dont have the means to do much.. they just take care of small deseases, no chance for a gunshot wounded to get a good attention in one of those places, so they have to go to the traditional hospitals, which are also falling down and low on supplies, the housing mission really began last year before elections and there are a few buildings made in expropiated lands in the city, nice from the outside, well painted and all but this year 6 of them got fractured there are no more than 20 in Caracas i can assure you. Slums are bigger now, there are more slums than before, ranchos, ghettos, we have cases of invasion like torre de david
So if any of you reading this supporting Chavez from other countries that are not Venezuela, plan a trip and come a few days and get in touch with me i will show you what the 21st century socialism is about...
Im sorry if i messed up with my english, hope you guys could talk spanish so i could describe you the situation even better
mahrehsok: Adrian: thank you. People think they know what they know but they don't. Talk about propaganda lol
pilgrim12 in reply to adrianxx: Adrian he sees it from propaganda news reels not all english either,he sees from a chair and submises all is real if he was paparazii he would be sued now,if all believed by the news we would all be pushing up daisies.
pilgrim12: Haha ohh him over there and me have had a few words about that ,dont like you get out,see something close to your heart hard done by you sort it or try ,not talk.
pilgrim12: Haha i just noticed him over there thought Adrian was doing what he does surf the net and from america haha caught out again,a man who is living it not in no seat .
[adrianxx].You fail to take into account what I posted above. Namely that..
'Socialism does not yet exist in Venezuela. Essentially it is still a Capitalist society'.
And Internationally, Socialist supporters of the Bolivarian Revolution have been urging the movement to proceed with bold steps to complete the process which has yet to reach its full potential. But Chavez was gentle in nature, and has not followed the drastic programme required. He compensated those corporate parasites after nationalizing the industries they dominated. He sought to appease and assuage rather than assail. So the enemies of the Working class has a smoother ride than they deserved. However, the next representative of the masses may not be so indulgent.
In your criticisms [adrianxx] you have claimed:
"Poor people are even more poor now"
Yet strangely it is precisely among the most poverty stricken sections of Venezuela that support for Chavez and the Revolution is strongest! And this fact is universally recognized. Who were the hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans who pored out onto the streets in grief forming kilometre long queues if not the poor and the working class?
"rich people got richer"
as you are also insisting, why I wonder are the rich so hostile to a movement which further enriches them? And what compels 30 Capitalist political parties to combine their every influence, both through their extensive media networks and political structures to stand against such a party?
While overall poverty did rise from 1999 to 2003, this was partly the economic effects from the U.S. backed coup d’etat of 2002
and the oil lockout resulting in recession with a 24 percent loss of GDP until the first quarter of 2003
However, from the first half of 2003 up to 2009 the percentage of households below the poverty line actually declined from 54 percent to 24.2 percent, which is a 55 percent decrease! Extreme poverty has also declined from 30.2 percent in 2003 to 7.4 percent in 2009, which is a 75% reduction!
Of course these figures are conservative when one takes into account non-income related benefits from numerous social programmes:
Free access to health care - Free Education - Discounted food - Reduced inequality and employment based discrimination
That is, according to the United Nations Social Development Division:
What are your sources [adrianxx] ? Apart from the 'Huffingdon post's' - U.S. propaganda mill that is.
But seeing as you like United States opinion so much here is the economy and social indicators report on the Chavez administration published in 2009 by the Washington based 'Center for Economic and Policy Research:
Their figures are more reliable than the fanatical bias of the 'Huffington post' so may be beneficial to you.
If you are genuinely from Caracas you should be fighting for inherent interests of the masses not betraying the Revolution that can empowers them. And shouldn't need a foreigner to elucidate the scenario which unfolds before your eyes. If you see corruption challenge it; help the Workers and Poor don't defend their class enemies by spreading lies and propaganda.
And your claim [adrianxx] to be 'Socialist' appears disingenuous to me when you ally yourself with right-wing media propagandists of the Capitalist class and post their overtly biased reports as your own (which is plagiarism by the way), not that any loyal or genuine Venezuelan would seek to be identified with the agents of bourgeois deception.
adrianxx: are you really asking me for sources? i should be the one asking YOU for sources just to begin with that, doubting im genuinely from Caracas, really?...
i guess i will never change your way of thinking... but anyways..
So 14 years of Socialist Revolution are not enough to make a change? I guess that Revolution isnt revolutionating very fast...
Chavez, gentle? hahaha i doubt it.
Nationalization of industries isnt working very well.. more people on the street because of the closure of these industries and no production. He compensated SOME and not even close to ALL of the industries he nationalized.
About the nice cars.. wich are trucks and armoured because of the insecurity those are not of the "enemies" of the working class but from the chavistas.
As there were hundreds of thousands of chavistas in the streets, also opposition of the Chavez government did even bigger manifestations in the streets, by the way... before elections the government was paying people to go to their events on the streets and people that work in the government or related government companies are FORCED to go to this events making lists and laying off their works to the ones that didnt go, those are the things you dont read over there.
And rich people, the ones who have access to dollars are usually against this government because everything is not about the money.. here you live scared, you have no security.
The 30 capitalist parties of the opposition include parties like MAS (Movimiento al Socialismo) (movement for socialism) the first socialist party of the country, Bandera Roja (Red Flag), Izquierda Democratica (Democratic Left), Causa R (R wich is for Revolutionary Cause) among others..
Poverty has risen more in these last 3 months than in between 1999 and 2003. The lockout of oil lasted just two weeks.
Extreme poverty hasnt declined at all, there are more slums, way more and they just play with the numbers of the official dollar while the real conversion is with the parallel dollar.. the official was in january 4,3BsF, in february 6,3BsF, now its 9,3. while the parallel dollar is 25BsF per dollar, and they say the minium weigh is 1795BsF wich was 417 dollars when it was at 4,3 saying it was one of the highest of latin america when the parallel dollar was at 18Bs so that the real number is not 417 dolars a month but just 100. now its the same salary so they might be saying its 193$ when it really is 70$...
And im not betraying the revolution. The revolution betrayed our people.
The one spreading lies and propaganda here im sorry to say but its YOU. Im not payed by the CIA or the US like chavez used to say.. im still waiting for the check...
and im really waiting for you here to show you the real stuff and not what you read over there in London where you have your security granted and the strongest coin of the world and your biggest problem seems to be the rain. Have you ever been here in venezuela to be talking with such confidence about our problems?
adrianxx: and by the way.. this is the list of our tv channels, just to make you sure its televised. 1) TVES (television venezolana social) before called RCTV (Radio Caracas de Television) oldest tv channel of the country closed by Chavez, now in hands of the government (2000 workers of this channel to the street). 2) Venevision (neutral channel, in hands of one of the most rich men of the country. Auto censorship not to get closed. little news lots of latin novels) 3) VIVE TV (science channel, no news or any other kind of programmation but science) 4) VTV main government tv channel 5) Televen (just like venevision, auto censorship) 6) ANTV (Asamblea Nacional TV) governmental. 7) Telesur governmental 8) Globovision ( only transmited in 2 of the 23 states of venezuela, now being closed, the only opposition channel.
adrianxx: and this is opposition.. we also make big ass parades http://www.noticierodigital.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=871055
adrianxx: I followed your replies to Him_over_there carefully thinking that you might be right for you know your country better than others and your concern must be way deeper , But now after watching videos you posted here I like to say my opinion and I hope you accept it ! .
Venezuela is a country that has a long history of all types of crimes human can imagine and that was before Chavez , Am not surprised to see number of crimes and criminals increasing in a moral decay society which is well known about Venezuela , Keep in mind that building a country starts with
individuals then a family then surrounding atmosphere , community and then comes the importance of governmental organizations like security and police . No matter what the numbers of figures your country will have in official police men this will never end till the Venezuelans people decide to make a change for a better peaceful healthy living , Poverty was never an excuse for a person to commit a crime otherwise real poor countries which on top of lists like Ethiopia, Chad,Niger etc.. would of had crimes 5 times more than Venezuela does.
I personally never liked Hugo Chavez and am not justifying him but the man did good things for Venezuela but I think Venezuelans people didn't do good for themselves concerning crimes and lack of education, consciousness in community, or building moral behavior in their children .
Education can start by teaching your children how to respect others .
I hope you see in your country all what you dream of but remember you must be part of what you wish to enjoy .
adrianxx: I am totally in favor with you.. about saying that change comes first from the individual, the family, the surrounding atomosphere, community and then the government. Do you know why those numbers exponentially increased? one of the reasons is because a hateful speech by the "gentle by nature" mister chavez. Do you think of a government where the division is almost 50 50 and your president calls you on national tv and on cadena, wich means that every channel has to sintonize the same thing terms like "little fags", "shit", "used condoms" and waaay more, telling again and again that there is a fight against the people opposed to the revolution and soooo many other things like that.. it was 14 years of insults against the ones who opposed him since the begging or the ones that found out that he was just trying to stay in the power for all of his life as he did. That affects the family, because there are broken families because some are against Chavez and some are not, and I have lived that with my own family and I have a friend whos parents got divorced because of that, because he made the people who supported him enemies of the ones who doesnt even though its hard to believe...Imagine if that can happen inside of a Family, same blood, brothers, sisters, marriage, fathers and sons, what can happen when there is no relation? so its something that its bad since the very first steps youre telling me and this is thanks to Chavez, no one else. A man buying guns and russian airplanes and helicopters when our war is not of that kind, not talking a bit about the insecurity we live helps to raise it...
and about the weapons... those are weapons that are never used, just for military parades, and lets face it if the US wanted to invade, something i doubt but Chavez made a lot of people believe, with one ship they will make us ashes and planes and helicopters from the cold war wont help out very much.
The good things about Chavez was to include the poor people on his speech. the masses, but you know what, there is a general who stopped working for chavez, he was one of the most trusted man by chavez and he was the one leading Petroleos de Venezuela, the national oil industry, that was till he found out that one of the strategies of revolution was to keep the poor poor, and why is that, because they need them that way till they get to a cultural transformation. After that they say they will take care of the economy and the distribution of the richness that oil gives, ( and we have more oil than saudi arabia), on the meanwhile they have to keep the poor people with hope, as they always keep them because missions invented by chavez gives the poor people a fridge, a washing machine, or even a house, but thats like winning a lottery, you have to put your name on a list and wait to see if you are lucky enough to be selected.. the hope remains when i see that my neighbor gor a new washing machine so i will be hopeful that some day i might have that, or a house.
And how long will this transformation take? 3 generations because adults resist and get stucked in the past, young people live and get used to it and the children learn and make it yours, so it takes about 40 years..
thats why we are a country that likes to give oil to Cuba, Bolivia, China, Belarus, etc etc for free, ambulances when we are in such a need of them, hospitals to other countries when ours are falling down. But this just applies to the poor people because the people in the government got veeeery but very rich... wish you could see how much they travel, how the Chavez family and his homes changed in the last years, calculating them a fortunes of around 2 Billion dollars, his daughters hanging out with Madonna and Justin Bieber, traveling to Europe, New York and there are sooo many pictures about this, and not to talk about people like Diosdado Cabello or Nicolas Maduro who is the one running for president now (This guy was a bus driver before chavez, no profession and he climbed from president of the congress, to minister, to chancellor, to vicepresident and now president in charge running for president, now living in one of the best places of the city in a veeery big house, so socialist)... they have hundreds of millions of dollars and thats proven, houses all around the city, planes. I have close cases of people having nothing 5 years ago and now they are working with the government and they have big cars, boats, beach houses, not one but several apartments and houses around the city and in the best neighborhoods, they go to Dubai and stay in the most famous hotel of the world. Ive seen this with my own eyes, i havent read about it... so who are you going to believe more? a guy sitting in London reading from marxists.org and who knows what other bullshitting webpage or me whos living it?
Its not also good because they break the constitution they made how they want to, there were some elections for changing the constitution they have already changed in 1999 so chavez could be reelected as many times. That election was lost and chavez called it a Piece of Shit Win. so he changed it anyways by changing the laws in the congress. The constitution have been broken by Chavez himself more than 100 times, so why are the people going to respect the constitution their own president breaks with no consequence.
Electoral power, Justice power, Congress, Defense Forces, all in hands of Chavez, so elections are very advanced in the hardware but very tricky too, the electoral power seems after the death of Chavez even more sold to the government because they know that the new candidate isnt as charismatic as chavez was, he hasnt the love of the people that chavez used to have. What if in your country the president of something that should be so neutral like electoral power goes out with a Chavez consign on her arm? do you think that is neutral?
justice power? well once there was a judge that didnt found a man guilty and Chavez wanted this guy in jail so because the judge did a fair trial and found this guy innocent Chavez sent the judge to jail, where she still is. Congress all in the hands of the government.. so lets say that they can do whatever they want very freely. The Military supposed to take care of the people are taking more care of the government now, saying that we have to vote for Maduro... what the hell do they have to do with that?
So about teaching our own children to respect others? yes that would be amazing and i really really wish it could be like that but there is a side that is not respecting no one or nothing.
Henrique Capriles is a candidate elected in primary elections by all the opposition from Venezuela and as i said before its not all capitalist parties, it includes the oldest socialist party MAS movimiento al socialismo, wich upposed even with guerrillas the 40 years before Chavez and supported him till they noticed this wasnt a socialism but oportunism of the ones with power to get insanely rich and not to do anything for the people, Bandera Roja wich means Red Flag, Causa R for revolutionary cause, Democratic Left, a party founded by the same founder of the Communist Party many years ago.\
Capriles is a young man and hes traveling all the country state by state right now, making an unfair campaign because while Maduro can go in tv with every channel this guy can only appear in one that can only be seen in 2 of the 23 states, hes asking for this respect you are talking about, about improving education, about fighting crime, about improving all the missions that Chavez made while the other candidate says every time he can that he is going to finish with them, and yes, hes going to finish them the way they are to make them better.Hes talking about INCLUSION and not division.... hes not talking about socialism, hate, capitalism, hes talking about rescuing this country... we will have to wait till april 14th to see if he is able to win in such a hard election.
[adrianxx]. Interesting that you lament a lack of compensation for multinational industries like Exxon Mobile, Oklahoma-based Williams Cos inc., Helmerich & Payne Inc oil producers and other associated industries. Or giant U.S. food company Cargill Inc. and Global nitrogen fertilizer company Fertinitro, etc.This alone displays where your loyalties lie.
Do you 'honestly' think most of Venezuela's barrio-dwelling folk would consider $1 Billion of their public monies too cheap a price for Banco de Venezuela, or $600 million for Cemex cement producers? I'd like to see you making this argument with a genuine Venezuelan who is relying on a share of their own nations wealth so they might have a chance to live, while you are arguing for the over-payment of foreign Multinational parasites in your haze of pro-Capitalist delusion.
MAS, the group you describe as 'Socialist' was founded by Teodoro Prtkoff a failed opportunist, content to assume a position under Rafael Caldera spearheading the implementation of 'Agenda Venezuela', carrying out the U.S. controlled IMF's devastating proposals of privatisation. So much for the 'Socialist credentials of the MAS.
Bandera Roja (Red Flag) lost the baulk of its cadre elite to Chavez long ago and even found itself suspended from its own International Executive. This group has publicly aligned itself with the right wing in Venezuela and is not Socialist at all! And is it the case that Bandera Roja has no deputies at all?
La Causa Radical (The Radical Cause) is not the original party formed by Alfredo Maneiro. The majority of its supporters were pro PSUV, and joined the fight for Socialism under the banner of Patria Para Todos (PPT)! What is left is the discarded shell, universally recognized to be insignificant, gauging less than 1% in elections, And running purely off the momentum of the late Maneiro's reputation.
Izquierda Democratica (Democratic Left): Who? Where? When? Why do you co-opt a party which does not exist in the Venezuelan political process to prove an argument which isn't true? In fact this ephemeral 'group' was just a failed faction from the MAS, which attempted to drum-up anti-Chavez unity but failed miserably because as with all the little counter-revolutionary opportunist scum and Capitalist-apologist gatherings you have mendaciously listed as 'Socialist' groups, they do not reflect the aspirations of the Venezuelan working class masses.
Some of the leftovers from this group found refuge in Un Nuevo Tiempo (A New Time / Era), which is not a Socialist party. They describe themselves as 'Social Democrats'. Do you know the difference? Their vote drastically diminished from 8.83% in 2010 to 6.67% in 2012 and continues to decline.
I could go on [adrianxx], but tell me this: Have you no shame? Why do you need a foreigner, 4,600 miles away to continuously correct what can only be construed as 'deliberately misleading' contributions? You claim to be Venezuelan, from the South of the Americas, yet seem to have your head and your mind deeply entrenched up the back-side of North America's political propaganda machine.
And why are you so redolent in American slang.. 'Dude' and 'I guess'.. I bet you have the stars and stripes draped over your walls while watching 'Beverly Hills 90210' and 'the Dukes of Hazzard'.
I will return to deal with the rest of your nonsense when time permits. But I really don't enjoy having to spend time educating those too lazy to remove their own blinkers, open their own eyes and employ their own discretion.
adrianxx: SHAME is what you should have living in London where there is still a monarchy and you have the strongest coin of the world and all the securities, if you like this so much why dont you come and live here where the revolution is at?
adrianxx: and you havent corrected me at anything but that the R of Causa R is for Radical ooooh what a big mistake considering the topics we are discussing... and other thing.. Oil was nationalized by Carlos Andres Perez 1st period waaaay before Chavez, so Exxon, Williams, Hemerich havent been around for a while...
im sorry i have an american english.. if it was because of you i shouldnt even be talking this yankee imperialistic language MATE.
adrianxx: i guess you need time to read more of your bullshit and investigate to deal with the rest of my nonsense that seems to affect more our people and more important than the transnational companies
Wrong again [adrianxx]. According to the right-wing, New York based Thomson Reuters Corporation:
"In September 2011, Venezuela proposed paying Exxon $1 billion in compensation for its nationalized assets"
"In 2009, Chavez seized a major gas injection project belonging to Williams Cos Inc."
"In June 2010, the government seized 11 oil rigs from Oklahoma-based Helmerich & Payne Inc."
I am aware of the attempts by both Caldera and Perez to bring certain elements of oil production under state control, however Chavez, in his efforts to rid the industry of corruption has not only taken the most radical steps towards Nationalisation (raising royalties to 30% from 16.7%) but also against corruption within the PDVSA Petty bourgeois executive control structure itself, who were consuming as much as 64% of total income on costs.
The 'oil lockout' you say lasted for:
"just two weeks."
in fact, this 'fourth' PDVSA lockout started on the 2nd of December 2002 and ended on January 31st 2003, with oil production only reaching pre-strike levels on April 2003.
Perhaps the length of weeks are measured differently in Venezuela, or could it be [adrianxx] that you are a consummate liar. And as such an 'excellent representative' of the Venezuelan opposition. Really; you should stand in the elections; just ask the 'Huffington Post' for the appropriate funding.
Him_over_there: But as a direct result of this opposition sabotage, oil based GDP dropped by as much as 25%, unemployment shot up by 5% in 2003 and an estimated $25 billion income was lost; hitting social programmes hard.
These treasonous acts were carefully schemed by those groups you've politically aligned yourself with, in the express hope of fomenting societal collapse as a backdrop to that embarrassing and infamous U.S-backed abortive coup d'état against the democratically elected Hugo Chávez Frías presidency:
And only failed because of his stoic bravery and refusal to capitulate in the face of armed mercenaries and the sheer will of the common people, who marched to the seat of power, encouraging loyalty from the military and thereby demanding the return of their elected President.
adrianxx: You are so used to capitalism, living on it and being part of it, that the only thing that you know about is the companies.. Ive been writing about so many issues, social, economical, political, financial, but you havent payed attention to any of them
Mask Of Dionysus: I am a Canadian that was blind to how Venezuala was doing, until i met a client of my partner's, a Venezualan...........She was near tears speaking of what her country has become. She said 'nothing is good there any more. not the doctors, not the politicians, not even the toilet paper'
Looks like lots of chicken available amidst the panic-buying being whipped up by that privately owned media machine you worship [adrianxx].
At the top of this post I began dispelling Bourgeois deceptions regarding Chavista democracy, which had disseminated via the same diseased and all pervasive privately owned International mass media all the way to Australia. It was you [adrianxx] who brought up the economy (and not with an accurate picture but a distorted one): Claiming the private economy has been nationalized when it remains largely a private affair; attempting to mislead people into believing Venezuelan dependence on Oil was a product of P.S.U.V. policy when clearly this is as I said above an historical economic reality.
It is true that you have brought up many issues, but it's also true that you've cast many lies here, some of which I have responded to and shot down like so many lame ducks. This method of 'mud slinging' is the tactic employed by the defenders of Capitalism knowing that however untrue their accusations some dirt is bound to remain at the end of the day. This fomenting of lies, suspicions; coupled with naked military aggression are the only method available to defend the rotten status quo and the class based privileged minorities, like those dwelling in privileged neighbourhoods, East of Caracas who sounded their motor-car horns with delight on hearing the news of Chavez's death and who tend to dominate Internet forums due to their home connections which the masses cannot afford.
Here, [mask Of Dionysus] I think you'll find this report a little more objective than the middle-class bleating of your partner's business client:
adrianxx: A lot of chicken.. hahah sure.. that private media is a cellphone recording how people wait for days for chicken to arrive and how it doesnt even get to stocks because there isnt enough... Have you ever been in Caracas? do you know what the East of Caracas is? do you know where Petare is?
Economy, distorted? 95% of devaluation from january till today? no increase of salaries? its all fake of course. Its all a lie.
Do you know where are the lies? in those videos you are watching... poverty is bigger than before chavez, the housing programs are full of vices and corruption, so the number of houses they are telling isnt close to the real one and its hiding soooo many things... very democratic when you go for elections to change the constitution, you lose, call the winning of the opposition a piece of shit win "victoria de mierda" you call the ones who voted against you used condoms and without the approval of the people he changed the constitution anyways. Having the chance to be reelected as many times as he wants...
adrianxx: And if we ever depended from americans.. now we depend from china more than ever with a huge debt while we still live in a country that seems to be so good with the other countries but so bad on the inside.
adrianxx: why do you have to delete my comment about the list of our supermarkets, even mercal, its the things you cant see.. there is NO chicken, no national meats, no oil, no sugar, no toilet paper, no absorbent paper, no flour, no cement, no concrete, no belaying pins.. beside that NO SECURITY, NO DEMOCRACY, and MORE CORRUPTION THAN BEFORE!
Him_over_there in reply to adrianxx:
I have never seen so many headless chickens being manhandled and manipulated by the privately owned media outlets; who chose to use this footage of panic buying in an attempt to further whip-up a climate of instability in Venezuelan society. Rumours of shortages, scarcity and price reduction are enough to turn ordinary people into a rampaging mob, as can be seen here in the United States:
The truth about Venezuela's new prosperity can be found in independent studies which have been conducted by the Washington based 'Center for Economic and Policy Research:
and according to the United Nations Social Development Division:
But of course [adrianxx] you have chosen to ignore that reality and instead adopt an alternative, biased 'tabloid account of events'. You don your favourite blinkers because they suits your political outlook.
Venezuela's National Institute of Statistics confirm the reality however, that more people are eating richer diets today than before Chavez was launched to power. Consumption has increased and demand now outstrips supply due to increased income amongst the poor.
It is precisely the successful increase in the purchasing power of those previously limited to cheaper foods and even suffering restricted, malnourished diets which creates competition for these resources. Those who could barely eat under previous administrations are now enjoying a full diet.
What Statistics clearly show and what [adrianxx] clearly doesn't want anyone to know is that Venezuela consumed 26.8 million tons of food in 2012, (which is almost double the 13.8 million tons consumed in 1999, the year the Chavez government came to power). And this is what [adrianxx] and the backward Capitalist opposition yearns to return to.
Infant malnutrition has decreased by 74 percent, and the average caloric intake has also increased by more than 50 percent. Under the present administration overall food production has actually grown, by 71 percent since 1999, yet consumption has also grown alongside it by 94 percent due to the irradiation of poverty under the demands of the people's Socialist agenda. This shortfall has caused a rise in imports and some shortages among 6 basics: margarine, corn flour, rice, sugar, and chicken.
While Venezuela's (previously impoverished and downtrodden) are used to going without chicken, the increased competition for 'luxury' food from those poor sectors has ruffled the 'feathers' of a few of the middle class.
Of course [adrianxx] you would define an ongoing Socialist Revolution as a "shit victory", simply because you're not interested in the working class laying claim to power. Instead, you long for those reactionary Capitalist days where corporations and landlords held sway over all aspects of society, and no social housing was available. But the masses chose to put those evils behind them. You embrace the perspectives and outlook of a profiteering parasite and not the healthy vision to which genuine patriotic Venezuelan Socialists subscribe.
adrianxx: Im not the one reading about it, you are. I am the one who is living it.
I didnt define the Socialist Revolution a shit victory, thats what chavez said to the ones who voted against him when he made elections to change the constitution so he could be reelected as many times as he wished and where he lost.. But he did whatever he wanted so even though it wasnt accepted by the people he changed the constitution to be reelected as many times as he wished and thats why he was able to go again to the last elections...
And again.. if you like it so much why dont you come here and watch the revolution with your own eyes? you are the one who is reading about it and not living it.
adrianxx: 40% of the products that a supermarket should have are missing. No flour, no chicken, no sugar, no vegetable oil, no paper.
adrianxx: we have to import because the production have been destroyed. Expropiated productive farms are not producing now.
nanimarquez92: And those are just one of the many problems that we are living in Venezuela... How would you feel if you go out every morning to work and you are not sure if you gonna come back because someone else took your life? We are living a silence war!! Remember not everything that shines is gold
Arguments are not proved correct or incorrect by the Geographical position of those who are arguing a point. Only truth and ethical rectitude are arbitrators of any debate, and you [adrianxx] have persistently lied about all of the facts in your posts. While I have sought to deliver objective statistics and fair portrayals of events you at every step manoeuvre with deceit, perhaps thinking that:
'nobody in London could possibly know enough to correct my deceptions!'
But you're wrong [adrianxx], especially when challenging a Communist whose outlook is by nature Internationalist.
And you present yet another lie, as if addicted to mendacity:
"But he did whatever he wanted so even though it wasn't accepted by the people he changed the constitution"
The truth is here, for anyone to confirm for themselves: In the Venezuelan constitutional referendum of 2009 the P.S.U.V. proposition received resounding support, with over a million more votes than the opposition.
And again you repeat the same right-wing distortions about 'decimated production' after the official statistics are placed before your eyes, which must be so very tightly clenched.
Venezuela consumed 26.8 million tons of food in 2012, (which is almost double the 13.8 million tons consumed in 1999, the year the Chavez government came to power). Overall food production has actually grown, by 71 percent since 1999, yet consumption has also grown alongside it by 94 percent due to the irradiation of poverty. Hence the need for some imports.
From the first half of 2003 and up to 2009 the percentage of households below the poverty line declined from 54 percent to 24.2 percent, which is a 55 percent decrease. Extreme poverty declined from 30.2 percent in 2003 to 7.4 percent in 2009, which is a 75% reduction.
These facts are indisputable.
It is certainly true to say: 'all that glitters is not Gold' [nanimarquez92]. And global proletariats everywhere know this well of their shallow, austere, rat-race profit systems: him over there's Picture
However lets take a look at what is as valuable as 'Gold' to over eight million Venezuelans who voted for the Socialist Revolution, as opposed to the old, corrupt, unattractive restoration of Capitalist dictatorship.
Enfranchisement and Participation in the society they live holds great value, as does the chance to share in the natural wealth, which only Chavez enabled in modern history. When Cuban doctors took part in an exchange for oil programme Chavez championed they were surprised and horrified to find many Venezuelans had never seen a doctor before; this healthcare is also valuable, as are the new educational facilities which will empower the working masses with knowledge and hope. The chance to have a home to live in, free from the tyranny of private landlords is also a very precious commodity [nanimarquez92].
If you are worried about crime [nanimarquez92] then surely a return to the 'bad old days' of Perez and I.M.F. control of the Venezuelan economy, where at times there was no bread or basic commodities available at all and resultant riots in which the army were ordered by the Government to shoot thousands of civilians on the streets while the morgues were literally overflowing with the slaughtered victims of an all-controlling Capitalist regime would be a retrograde step?
All this is anathema to the majority of Venezuelans. Only petty bourgeois elements, middle class national traitors and pro-North-American lumpenproletariat, brainwashed by news-propaganda from Venezuela's privately owned media cartels still support the coalition for a return to Capitalist domination.
Kornlyta: Adrianxx: Escribiré en español para que sólo tú entiendas esto, nosotros que vivimos en este país entendemos claramente la situación real del pueblo venezolano, me parece MUY fuera de base que una persona que vive en Londres, que quizás jamás haya pisado tierra venezolana (y no lo sé porque no terminé de leer todos sus comentarios porque me puedo enfermar) opine y defienda una teoría que sólo está escrita en papeles pero que en realidad no es lo que se pone en práctica. Nosotros que estamos dentro de esta cúpula de mentiras y corrupción somos los que sabemos lo delicado de la situación, me parece muy valiente de tu parte exponer todos los argumentos para que el mundo entero se de cuenta que lo que los medios de comunicación transmiten no es más que una máscara con que intentan mostrar un panorama distinto al que realmente se vive aquí. Y por el otro lado, me parece muy cobarde que este hombre quiera hacernos entender algo absurdo a nosotros que vivimos esta dictadura hace casi 15 años, es muy fácil vivir bien lejos y opinar de algo que él ve a través de los noticieros de canales como TELESUR, que ya sabemos su línea editorial, para el cual no sólo Venezuela sino Cuba. son los mejores países del mundo... Por último mi invitación es para HIM_OVER_THERE, YOU MUST TO COME TO LIVE IN VENEZUELA, AND LATER U WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THE REAL SITUATION HERE... IF U DONT DO IT, U CANT DISCUSS IT WITH US!