FistOfStone: real help is impossible ... if you seem to be in a state of disorder, and you're brought to what seems to be a state of greater order, then, per entropy, it was either not real disorder in the first place, or it's not real order in the second ... the spiral can -only- go downwards
Perspicuity: The energy expended by your brain in bringing your thoughts to clarity and order is offset by the entropy created when digesting your lunch. "Real help" for the universe may be impossible but real help for a small corner of it doesn't violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics
FistOfStone in reply to Perspicuity: something seems wrong there still, to me ... i don't know how to express it (and it may be a confusion on my part) but something in me wants to call that cheating the universe, cheating fate ... somehow i feel that it would be right only to receive what fate has given me, and not demand that some other pocket of existence fall under the water line so that i can rise above it ... if i am consigned to despair, then ... so be it
FistOfStone in reply to Perspicuity: yes persp ... but for human beings, i want to say, there is a distinction between doing so in accord with fate, the will of god, the tao, "with the flow" ... and against it ... there is a sense in which doing it against the flow is an act of will, and with the flow, it is not
Perspicuity: Things happen from a cause but not for a reason--we view the random dance of quantum events and see meanings and patterns. Those meanings are real in the sense that they were in the world to be seen, but not in the sense that there were put there for a purpose. And what you chose to do--whether to seek help or be passive--is just as legitimate a part of the pattern as any other.