Friends | Dear friends my picture looks close to my real shape dr_mohamed_mahmoud: Paul, believed to be the author of some thirteen or fourteen letters in the Bible, also believed that Jesus is not God. For Paul, God first created Jesus, then used Jesus as the agent by which to create the rest of creation (see Colossians 1:15 and 1 Corinthians 8:6) View all 4 posts (Post deleted by I Caramba 2 ) logicalreasonings: Jesus was an aspect of the Sun. “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life” Lucifer was also well known as the “Morning Star”, which, quite frankly, was the Sun. It seems to me that Jesus and Lucifer were either different aspects of the Duality of the Sun, or the Prodigal Sun who came to Earth to right the wrongs of his own sins and bring us the Hope and spiritual Temperance to us in showing Gods love for all humanity. As above, so below. I feel like Jesus only made one mistake. He stated HE was the only way to GoD. But I may be wrong. What Jesus taught us throughout the scriptures is not wrong. It is the way to live, the YHWH of Life on Earth. And by following his message, we can see the light of our own salvation. I, for one, believe Jesus was here for the purposes he spoke of. He showed it throughout the scriptures. The way to God is inside each and every one of us, but if we get stuck on worshipping Jesus then are we truly worshipping his Father? I choose to follow his teachings because it has definitely brought me closer to the Creator of All Things. The Creator deserves our love, and I only hope that our Love goes out to the Creator, as we bless Jesus for what he brought us in order to Know and begin to fathom the beauty of Creations Design logicalreasonings: And remember this. There were only two living people in the Bible that GoD brought into the Heavens: Enoch and Elijiah dr_mohamed_mahmoud: Did you read Christian history Paul. Originally Saul of Tarsus—Tarsus is a city on the southern coast of Asia Minor—Saint Paul (ca. 3-67 CE) was the greatest of Christ's interpreters in the wake of his crucifixion. Often called the "second founder of the Christian church," he was a Jew who had Roman citizenship and initially oppressed Christians until he experienced an intense vision of Christ and converted to Christianity. Though never having met Jesus in person, at least not in a conventional sense, 👀👀👀👀👀 Paul became the most visible of the apostles after Christ's dr_mohamed_mahmoud: Dr. Laurence B. Brown (1959- ) graduated from Cornell University College of Arts and Sciences, Brown University Medical School, and George Washington University Hospital residency program. He is a retired Air Force officer, the medical director and chief ophthalmologist of a major eye center in the Middle East, an ordained interfaith minister, and the author of four books of comparative religion. He has recently discovered a passion for writing reality-based fiction. His breakout action/adventure novel, The Eighth Scroll, became Kindle bestseller in each of the categories of Church History, Religion & Spirituality Fiction, Christianity, and Religious Fiction. For the past two decades, he has divided his time between America, England, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia. Dr. Brown’s immediate family consists of his wife, three daughters and an ever changing assortment of hamsters and parrots. Dr. Laurence B. Brown (1959- ) graduated from Cornell University College of Arts and Sciences, Brown University Medical School, and George Washington University Hospital residency program. He is a retired Air Force officer, the medical director and chief ophthalmologist of a major eye center in the Middle East, an ordained interfaith minister, and the author of four books of comparative religion. He has recently discovered a passion for writing reality-based fiction. His breakout action/adventure novel, The Eighth Scroll, became Kindle bestseller in each of the categories of Church History, Religion & Spirituality Fiction, Christianity, and Religious Fiction. For the past two decades, he has divided his time between America, England, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia. Dr. Brown’s immediate family consists of his wife, three daughters and an ever changing assortment of hamsters and parrots. dr_mohamed_mahmoud: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_the_Trinity In Christianity, the doctrine of the Trinity states that God is a single being who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a communion of three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. In any event, such a concept of plurality within God is considered a denial of monotheism and foreign to the revelation found in Muslim scripture. Shirk, the act of ascribing partners to God – whether they be sons, daughters, or other partners – is considered to be a form of unbelief in Islam. The Quran repeatedly and firmly asserts God's absolute oneness, thus ruling out the possibility of another being sharing his sovereignty or nature.[1] In Islam, the Holy Spirit is believed to be the Angel Gabriel.[2] There has been little doubt that Muslims have explicitly rejected Christian doctrines of the Trinity from an early date.[1][3] Contents 1 In the Quran 2 Discussion 3 See also 4 Notes 5 References 6 External links In the Quran Three Quranic verses may directly refer to this doctrine.4:171, 5:73, and 5:116.[1] O People of the Scripture. do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs. — Quran 4 (An-Nisa), ayat 171[4] They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. — Quran 5 (Al-Ma'ida), ayat 72-75[5] And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness. If You should punish them - indeed they are Your servants; but if You forgive them - indeed it is You who is the Exalted in Might, the Wise. — Quran 5 (Al-Ma'ida), ayat 116-118[6] Furthermore, verses 19:88-93, 23:91, and 112:1-4 are relevant to the doctrine of "Trinity": And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken [for Himself] a son." You have done an atrocious thing. The heavens almost rupture therefrom and the earth splits open and the mountains collapse in devastation that they attribute to the Most Merciful a son. And it is not appropriate for the Most Merciful that He should take a son. There is no one in the heavens and earth but that he comes to the Most Merciful as a servant. — Quran 19 (Maryam (sura)), ayat 88-93[7] Allah has not taken any son, nor has there ever been with Him any deity. [If there had been], then each deity would have taken what it created, and some of them would have sought to overcome others. Exalted is Allah above what they describe [concerning Him]. — Quran 23 (Al-Mu'minun), ayat 91[8] Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. — Quran 112 (Al-Ikhlas), ayat 1-4[9] Discussion See also: Collyridianism Interpretation of these verses by modern scholars has been varied.[1][3] Although the latter group of verses have usually been taken to reject the mainstream Christian view of Jesus as son of God, Watt has argued that they refer specifically to an unorthodox notion of "physical sonship".[10][3]:47 Verse 5:73 has been interpreted as a potential criticism of Syriac literature that references Jesus as "the third of three" and thus an attack on the view that Christ was divine.[11] Hence, verses 5:72–75 may merely be criticizing the idea that Jesus and God are the same.[11] Alternatively, it may be a purposeful simplification of the Christian belief in the humanity and divinity of Christ in order to expose its potential weakness when viewed from the firmly monotheistic position of Islam.[1][3]:47 Similarly, verse 4:171 can be read as a rejection of Jesus' divinity. It is worth noting that in explaining these verses, early Muslim Quranic commentators noted that "the Christian 'three' was an internal characteristic of the godhead... rather than a series of external beings placed together with God."[1] Some Muslim commentators[12] and Western scholars believe Q5:116 as referring to Mary as part of the Christian Trinity.[n 1] Critics use this to argue that the Quran's author was mistaken about orthodox Christian beliefs, wherein Mary is a human and the third part of the Trinity is the Holy Spirit. On the other hand, Muslims argue that past heretical Christians have explicitly believed Mary to be a divine being.[14][15][13] Although some historians, such as Averil Cameron have been skeptical about whether Collyridians even existed and noted that Epiphanius is the only source for the group and that later authors simply refer to his text.[16] There is no further proof that such a sect ever existed and it is very unlikely that they existed in the 7th century. Others argue that Q5:116 in fact does not allude to the Trinity since the term itself isn't stated in the verse and instances where the Trinity is explicitly mentioned (Q4:171 and Q5:73), Mary's alleged divine status is not noted.[13] Some recent Western scholarship support a rhetorical understanding of the Quranic accusation of Mary's divinity claim in Q5:116;[3]:47[n 2][17] arguing the verse generally gives an example of Shirk and admonishes dr_mohamed_mahmoud: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20170726-the-polygamous-town-facing-genetic-disaster In a remote region of the US, a town is struggling with a chilling health crisis caused by a recessive gene. The reason? Here, polygamy is still practised. This story is featured in BBC Future’s “Best of 2017” collection. Discover more of our picks. “We are to gird up our loins and fulfil this, just as we would any other duty…” said Brigham Young, who led the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS), or Mormons, back in the mid-19th Century. It was a sweltering summer’s day in Provo City, Utah and as he spoke, high winds swirled dust around him. The holy task Young was speaking of was, of course, polygyny, where one man takes many wives (also known by the gender neutral term polygamy). He was a passionate believer in the practice, which he announced as the official line of the church a few years earlier. Now he was set to work reassuring his flock that marrying multiple women was the right thing to do. He liked to lead by example. Though Young began his adult life as a devoted spouse to a single wife, by the time he died his family had swelled to 55 wives and 59 children. Story continues below Brigham Young founded Salt Lake City in Utah (Credit: iStock) Brigham Young founded Salt Lake City in Utah (Credit: iStock) Fast-forward to 1990, a century after the LDS abandoned polygyny, and the upshot was only just beginning to emerge. In an office several hundred miles from where Young gave his speech, a 10-year-old boy was presented to Theodore Tarby, a doctor specialising in rare childhood diseases. ADVERTISEMENT The boy had unusual facial features, including a prominent forehead, low-set ears, widely spaced eyes and a small jaw. He was also severely physically and mentally disabled. In every case, the child had the same distinctive facial features, the same delayed development After performing all the usual tests, Tarby was stumped. He had never seen a case like it. Eventually he sent a urine sample to a lab that specialises in detecting rare diseases. They diagnosed “fumarase deficiency”, an inherited disorder of the metabolism. With just 13 cases known to medical science (translating into odds of one in 400 million), it was rare indeed. It looked like a case of plain bad luck. But there was a twist. It turned out his sister, whom the couple believed was suffering from cerebral palsy, had it too. In fact, together with colleagues from the Barrow Neurological Institute, soon Tarby had diagnosed a total of eight new cases, in children ranging from 20 months to 12 years old. Could just two people repopulate Earth? You are surprisingly likely to have a living doppelganger The curse of the people who never feel pain In every case, the child had the same distinctive facial features, the same delayed development – most couldn’t sit up, let alone walk – and, crucially, they were from the same region on the Arizona-Utah border, known as Short Creek. Even more intriguingly, this region is polygynous. In this small, isolated community of Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS) – a group that split from the LDS in the early 20th Century – the likelihood of being born with fumarase deficiency is over a million times above the global average. “When I moved to Arizona that’s when I realised that my colleagues here were probably the most familiar I’d ever met with this disease,” says Vinodh Narayanan, a neurologist at the Translational Genomics Research Institute, Arizona, who has treated several patients with fumarase deficiency. Colorado City is one of the two towns where the remote community live (Credit: iStock) Colorado City is one of the two towns where the remote community live (Credit: iStock) What’s going on? The disease is caused by a hiccup in the process that provides energy to our cells. In particular, it’s caused by low levels of an enzyme – fumarase – that helps to drive it. Since it was perfected billions of years ago, the enzyme has become a staple of every living thing on the planet. It’s so important, today the instructions for making it are remarkably similar across all species, from owls to orchids. For those who inherit a faulty version, the consequences are tragic. Though our brains account for just 2% of the body’s total weight, they are ravenously hungry – using up around 20% of its energy supply. Consequently, metabolic disorders such a fumarase deficiency are particularly devastating to the organ. “It results in structural abnormalities and a syndrome including seizures and delayed development,” says Narayanan. Faith Bistline has five cousins with the disease, who she used to look after until she left the FLDS in 2011. “They are completely physically and mentally disabled,” she says. The oldest started learning to walk when he was two years old, but stopped after a long bout of seizures. Now that cousin is in his 30s and not even able to crawl. Fumarase deficiency is rare because it’s recessive – it only develops if a person inherits two faulty copies of the gene In fact, only one of her cousins can walk. “She can also make some vocalisations and sometimes you can understand a little bit of what she’s saying, but I wouldn’t call it speaking,” she says. They all have feeding tubes and need care 24 hours a day. Fumarase deficiency is rare because it’s recessive – it only develops if a person inherits two faulty copies of the gene, one from each parent. To get to grips with why it’s plaguing Short Creek, first we need to back to the mid-19th Century. Brigham Young was a busy man. In addition to leading the Mormon church, he also founded a city – Salt Lake City, Utah – which flourished from a sparsely populated desert valley into a full-blown polygynous utopia in the space of a few short decades. Alas, it didn’t last. By the 1930s, the practice had been abandoned by the church and banned by the state of Utah, making it punishable by imprisonment and a hefty fine (equivalent to around $10,000 (£7,675) in today’s money). Followers needed somewhere to go. Followers of polygamy fled here after the practice was banned in Utah (Credit; iStock) Followers of polygamy fled here after the practice was banned in Utah (Credit; iStock) They settled on the remote ranching town of Short Creek, which formed part of the Arizona Strip. This was an area larger than Belgium (14,000 sq miles, or 36,000 sq km) with only a handful of inhabitants – the perfect place to hide from the prying eyes of federal marshals. Today it’s home to the twin towns of Hildale and Colorado City – either side of the Utah-Arizona border – and some 7,700 people. It’s the headquarters of the FLDS, which is famous for its conservative way of life and polygyny. “Most families include at least three wives, because that’s the number you need to enter heaven,” says Bistline, who has three mothers and 27 siblings. In the end, the link to fumarase deficiency is a numbers game. Take Brigham Young. In all, his children begat 204 grandchildren, who, in turn, begat 745 great-grandchildren. By 1982, it was reported that he had at least 5,000 direct descendants. This sudden explosion is down to exponential growth. Even with just one wife and three children, if every subsequent generation follows suit a man can have 243 descendants after just five generations. In polygynous families this is supercharged. If every generation includes three wives and 30 children, a man can – theoretically – flood a community with over 24 million of his descendants in the space of five generations, or little over 100 years. Of course this isn’t what actually happens. Instead, lineages begin to fold in on themselves as distant (and in the FLDS, not so distant) cousins marry. In polygynous societies, it doesn’t take long before everyone is related. In Short Creek, just two surnames dominate the local records – Jessop and Barlow This is thought to be how one-in-200 men (one in 12.5 in Asia) are descended directly from super-fertile Mongol warrior Genghis Khan, who died nearly eight centuries ago. As Brigham Young said himself: “It is obvious that I could not have been blessed with such a family, if I had been restricted to one wife…” In Short Creek, just two surnames dominate the local records – Jessop and Barlow. According to local historian Benjamin Bistline, who spoke to news agency Reuters back in 2007, 75 to 80% of people in Short Creek are blood relatives of the community’s founding patriarchs, Joseph Jessop and John Barlow. This is all very well, but we now know that most people are walking around with at least one lethal recessive mutation (one that would kill us before we reach reproductive age) in their genome, around the same number as in fruit flies. Humans haven’t gone extinct because, being recessive, they’re only unmasked if we have children with someone who also just so happens to carry a copy of that exact same mutation too. Mongol warrior Genghis Khan took so many wives that one-in-200 men may be related to him (Credit: iStock) Mongol warrior Genghis Khan took so many wives that one-in-200 men may be related to him (Credit: iStock) This is where the system starts to become unstuck. “With polygyny you’re decreasing the overall genetic diversity because a few men are having a disproportionate impact on the next generation,” says Mark Stoneking, a geneticist at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, Germany. “Random genetic mutations become more important.” In isolated communities, the problem is compounded by basic arithmetic: if some men take multiple wives, others can’t have any. In the FLDS, a large proportion of men must be kicked out as teenagers, shrinking the gene pool even further. “They are driven to the highway by their mothers in the middle of the night and dumped by the side of the road,” says Amos Guiora, a legal expert at the University of Utah who has written a book about religious extremism. Some estimate that there may be up to a thousand so-called “lost boys”. “Often they spend years trying to repent, hoping to get back into the religion,” says Bistline, who has three brothers who were discarded. Conservationists have known for years that a population’s “mating system” – the fancy word for sexual behaviour – can have a profound impact on its genetics. In wild deer and sage grouse, as in Mormon cults, polygyny is associated with high levels of inbreeding, because it shrinks the number of males contributing to the gene pool and increases the relatedness of the entire community. Today polygyny is more widespread in Africa than any other continent The fumarase deficiency gene has been traced to Joseph Jessop and his first wife, Martha Yeates (14 children). One of their daughters went on to marry co-founder John Barlow – and the rest is history. Today the number of people carrying the fumarase gene in Short Creek is thought to be in the thousands. The FLDS are not alone. Today polygyny is more widespread in Africa than any other continent. In March 2014, Kenya's Parliament passed a bill allowing men to marry multiple wives, while in many West African countries it’s been practised for thousands of years. Polygamy has also been widely practised in West Africa - also leading to unusual clumps of diseases (Credit: iStock) Polygamy has also been widely practised in West Africa - also leading to unusual clumps of diseases (Credit: iStock) Intriguingly, it’s associated with rare disease here, too. In Cameroon, scientists recently reported a polygynous community with abnormally high levels of stuttering. By comparing local genomes with those from sub-Saharan Africa, South Asia and North African populations, the researchers identified “exceptionally rare” gene variants among this community, which appear to be responsible – though the authors do not speculate about whether this is a consequence of polygyny. Which brings us to the good news. Since inbreeding tends to uncover “recessive” mutations that would normally remain in hiding, studying these communities has helped scientists to identify many disease-causing genes. That’s because genetic information is useless on its own. To be meaningful to medical research, it must be linked to information about disease. In fact, more human disease genes have been discovered in Utah – with its Mormon history – than any other place in the world. It’s not the legacy Brigham Young expected, but in the end, it’s possible that the controversial practice might have some unintended positives. dr_mohamed_mahmoud: Prophesies in The Gospel of Jesus” by Disciple Barnabas: "...And though I have been innocent in the world, since men have called me "God," and "Son of God," God, in order that I be not mocked of the demons on the day of judgment, hath willed that I be mocked of men in this world by the death of Judas, making all men to believe that I died upon the cross. And this mocking shall continue until the advent of Mohammed, the messenger of God, who, when he shall come, shall reveal this deception to those who believe in God's law."(Barnabas:220) "....Wherefore, when the messenger of God shall come, he shall come to cleanse away all wherewith the ungodly have contaminated my book." (Barnabas:124) " ...After those years shall the angel Gabriel come into hell, and shall hear them say: "O Mohammed, where are thy promises made to us, saying that those who have thy faith shall not abide in hell for evermore?" 'Then the angel of God shall return to paradise, and having approached with reverence the messenger of God shall narrate him what he hath heard.' 'Then shall his messenger speak to God and say: "Lord my God, remember the promise made to me thy servant, concerning them that have received my faith, that they shall not abide for evermore in hell." 'God shall answere: "Ask what thou wilt, O my friend, for I will give thee all that thou askest." (Barnabas:136) dr_mohamed_mahmoud: Belief Manifest: Jesus- The Prophet (Messenger) of God: 1. “Father is greater than I”(John;14:28) . 2. “..Who is this? and the multitude said, This is Jesus the Prophet of Nazareth of Galilee”(Matthew;21:11). 3. “And they glorified God saying, that a great Prophet is risen up among us”(Luke;7:16,9:8, 9:19). 4. “And they said unto him, concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God”.(Luke;24:19). 5. “We know that thou a teacher come from God”(John;3:2). 6. “Then these men, when they had seen the miracle, said This of truth is that Prophet that should come into the world”.(John;6:14,7:40). dr_mohamed_mahmoud: Jesus was not Crucified, but Raised Up! The contradictions in the crucifiction and resurrection claims have also been clarified in “Gospel of Jesus” according to disciple Barnabas: a. "..Then God seeing danger of his servant, commanded Gabriel, Michael, Rafael and Uriel, his ministers, to take Jesus out of the world. The holy angels came and took Jesus out by the window that looketh toward the South..." (Brnabas:215). b. "Judas truly did nothing else but cry out: 'God, why hast thou forsaken me, seeing the malefactor hath escaped and I die unjustly?' Verily I say that the voice, the face, and the person of Judas were so alike to Jesus, that his disciples and believers entirely believed that he was Jesus; wherefore some departed from the doctrine of Jesus; believing that Jesus had been a false prophet, and that by art magic he had done the miracles which he did: for Jesus had said that he should not die till near the end of the world; for that at that time he should be taken away from the world."(Brnabas:217) dr_mohamed_mahmoud: Verses from Bible Supporting Monotheism: 1. “And, behold, the Lord stood above it, and said, I am the Lord God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac”. (Genesis;28:13) 2. “And he said, that thou mayest know that there is none like unto the Lord our God.” (Exodus;8:10) 3. “Who is like unto thee 0 Lord, among the gods who is like thee glorious in holiness,fearful in praise, doing wonders?” (Exodus;15:11) 4. “Ye shall not make with me gods of silver neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.” (Exodus;20:23). 5. "Hear, therefore, O Israel, the LORD our God, is one LORD".(Deuteronomy;6:4) . 6. “Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God; there is none else beside Him. . . . Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath, there is none else”. (Deuteronomy;4:35-39) there is none else”. (Deuteronomy;4:35-39). 7. “There is none unto the God of Jeshurn, who rideth upon the heaven in thy help, and in his excellency on the sky.” (Deuteronomy;33:26). 8. “See now that, I, even I, am He, and there is no god with me: I kill; and I make alive: I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand”. (Deuteronomy;32:39). 9. “And Solomon stood before the altar of the Lord in the presence of all the congregation of Israel, and spread forth his hands toward heaven. And he said, Lord God of Israel, there is no God like thee, in heaven above, or on earth beneath, who keepest covenant and mercy with thy servants that walk before with all their heart”.(1Kings;8:22:23). dr_mohamed_mahmoud: Trinity- Approved as Official Doctrine of Empire: Emperor Constantine brought a greater part of Europe under his rule and secondly he began to support the Christians without accepting Christianity. In the Imperial Palace itself the controversy was raging not less fiercely. It appears that perhaps the Queen Mother was inclined towards Pauline Christianity while his sister Princess Constantina was a disciple of Arius. The Emperor was wavering between the two faiths. As an administrator he was interested only in uniting all the Christ ians within one Church So the Emperor anxious to maintain peace in the newly unified Europe had to intervene. Council of Nicea 325 C.E: In 325 C.E a meeting of all denominations of Christianity was called at Nicea (Now Isnik, a village). Accordingly he threw his weight behind Athanasius and banished Arius from the realm. Thus the belief of Trinity became the official religion of the Roman Empire. dr_mohamed_mahmoud: Jesus Christ in The Bible & Trinity Trinity: The idea of Trinity was started by Paul but it was given a final shape by Athanesius in about 325C.E. Trinity is not mentioned in Bible. The Catholic Encyclopedia says "The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of Christian religion ... in the unity of Godhead there are three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these three Persons being truly distinct one from another. Thus in the words of Athanasian Creed; the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three but one God.” This doctrine was not clearly grasped even by Athanasius. He says at another place that whenever he forced his understanding to mediate on the divinity of Jesus his toilsome and unavailing efforts recoil on themselves, that the more he wrote the less capable was he of expressing his thoughts. This confusion is explained away as "Mystery", yet the Bible says "God is not the author of confusion" (1Corinthians;14:33) “True ‘Gospel of Jesus’ by his disciple and apostle Barnabas; Christ was a new prophet sent by God to the world. “According to the, apostle of Jesus the Nazarene, called Christ, to all them that dwell upon the earth desireth peace and consolation. Dearly beloved the great and wonderful God hath during these past days visited us by his prophet Jesus Christ in great mercy of teaching and miracles, by reason whereof many, being deceived of Satan, under presence of piety, are preaching most impious doctrine, calling Jesus son of God, repudiating the circumcision ordained of God for ever, and permitting every unclean meat: among whom also Paul hath been deceived, whereof I speak not without grief; for which cause I am writing that truth which I have seen and heard, in the intercourse that I have had with Jesus, in order that ye may be saved, and not be deceived of Satan and perish in the judgment of God. Therefore beware of every one that preacheth unto you new doctrine contrary to that which I write, that ye may be saved eternally. The great God bewith you and guard you from Satan and from every evil. Amen”.(Barnabas: Opening). "Jesus, having received this vision, and knowing that he was a prophet sent to the house of Israel, revealed to Mary his mother, telling her that he needs must suffer great persecution for the honor of God, and that he couldn't any longer abide with her to serve her." (Barnabas:10) "And when he had said this, the crowed drew high, and when they knew him they began to cry out: ' Welcome to thee, O our God!' and they began to do him reverence, as unto God. Whereupon Jesus gave a great groan and said: ' Get ye from before me, O mad men, for I fear lest the earth should open and devour me with you for your abominable words!' Whereupon the people were filled with terror and began to weep."(Barnabas:92) dr_mohamed_mahmoud: What Does 'Non-Trinitarian' Mean? Church of the Great God is "non-Trinitarian." Simply put, this means that we do not believe in the traditional, man-made hypothesis of a triune God (that is, "one God in three co-equal Persons". The Trinity doctrine cannot be found in the Bible, as it was patched together by Catholic theologians hundreds of years after the deaths of the apostles and the completion of Scripture. Instead, Trinitarianism is a mixture of Jewish, Greek, and Roman philosophies, loosely based on a handful of Bible verses snatched out of context or interpolated into the text. Scripture reveals God the Father to be the Supreme Deity, and the Son, Jesus Christ, while certainly a divine Being, is in all things submissive to the Father (see John 6:38; 14:28). The Holy Spirit is the presence and power of God, the essence of the divine mind that both Father and Son use to do Their work. It is not a separate being, anymore than the "spirit in man" (I Corinthians 2:11) is a separate being inside each human. Although this is astounding when one hears it for the first time, it is fully borne out in God's Word. Romans 8:29 tells us that the Father is conforming saints "to the image of His Son, that He [Jesus Christ] might be the firstborn among many brethren." Notice that He is the firstborn, indicating preeminence over others, not the "only-born." Likewise, Colossians 1:18 identifies Jesus Christ as "the firstborn from the dead," meaning that others will also be rise "from the dead" into the God Family when resurrected at Jesus Christ's return (see Revelation 1:5). Additionally, Ephesians 3:14-15 says that "the whole family in heaven and earth is named" after the Father. The saints have taken on the Family name, showing that they are already part of that Family Kingdom (Colossians 1:13), even though they will not be complete until they are transformed into spirit beings (compare John 3:3-8; I Corinthians 15:50). By contrast, the Bible never mentions the Holy Spirit in the context of a family relationship, nor of being a member of the God Family. Scripture speaks of the Spirit as the power (Acts 1:8) or mind of God, the power of love and of a sound mind (II Timothy 1:7). Since it emanates from God, it can thus be said to be "poured out" (Titus 3:5-6), "breathed" (John 20:22), and used to "fill" (Acts 2:4) and "anoint" (Acts 10:38). Finally, God's Word also reveals that the Father and the Son are not equal. In John 14:28, Jesus states unambiguously, "My Father is greater than I." Similarly, Paul tells the congregation in Corinth that "the head of Christ is God" (I Corinthians 11:3), clearly declaring that God and Christ are not equal. They are both divine—both God Beings—but fulfill very different roles. RubyAdams: We don't believe in a God family as you say. I will refer you to the Athanasian Creed. It is long as lays it out piece by piece I'm not going to reply further except to say that I hope you read the Creed and learn what the Triune God is. Not trying to convert you, just inform you. |
Following Jesus, there was a big debate for 300 years about the nature of Jesus.
1-group said he is human (a prophet )
2-groups said God him self
3-group said,"son of God."
4-group said God and son of God at the same time.
Christianity at that time was the major religion of the time and was spreading like fire in the Roman Empire, changing the pagan into Christianity, but for sorrow
People were affected by the old pagan traditions
And many of them were unable to forget paganism, so they did like the idea of the son of God, much like the older story of Hercules that was 800 years before Jesus
Here is the problem: they loved to have such an idea in the Roman’s empire as being equivalent to the Greek myths.
When the Roman Empire him self noticed that and made the people do what they loved he ordered the bishops to collect the Christianity over one idea whatever the idea and because he was pagan he chooses the truth dead contains Jesus the son of god
And made a big council at niece in 325 The First Council of Nicaea was a council of Christian bishops convened in the Bithynian city of Nicaea by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325. This ecumenical council was the first effort to attain consensus in the church through an assembly representing all Christian bishops
And here started the deviation in the monotheism and they did change the Bible later on , And this is another story