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A_Muse_Mint101
A_Muse_Mint101: From IFHP:

It is totally appropriate to point out that selective breeding results in a GMO when the debate is framed as GMO's being unnatural. If an appeal to nature is made, then anything other than natural selection must qualify, or else the special pleading must be explained. Pointing out this inconsistency forces further conversation to distinguish between methods, and to properly define what is being opposed. To insist that selective breeding is not the same as "GMO" is to insist that GMO only means what you want it to mean. The answer to this meme should be to refine your arguments to be more precise, however most will simply push the information away and insist that comparing selective breeding to GE is somehow deceptive.

Hat tip to 'No Bullshit' Policy
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AussieOi
AussieOi: To summarise: Selective breeding is done by humans as is GMO. One is more intrusive into the genome specifically and one is more general. So the questions are 'how un-natural is human intrusion into hereditary?' and ' what level of human intrusion is natural? '.
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A_Muse_Mint101
A_Muse_Mint101: It's just addressing the appeal to nature argument.
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Ring Tone
Ring Tone: I have a really good statement about all of this...but it's too early, and I haven't had my strawberries yet. Not the tiny, bitter little things you'd find growing wild in a forrest...i'm talking those big, fist sized, juicy, sweet ones that Driscoll's produced over generations of research and development and selective breeding, that are grown organically...in a hot house...and available all year long Mmmmmmm selective breeding
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DEEP_acheleg
DEEP_acheleg: my issue isnt so much with the general idea of genetic modification, as much as the specific rhzome modifications performed with use of lab ecoli strains, to disable nitrogen fixing, as well as seed generation- which makes the farmer completely dependent on commercial chemical fertilizers, encourages the proliferation of the more deadly e-coli strains in soil and water, as well as the need to purchase new seeds each season
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DEEP_acheleg
DEEP_acheleg: MaizeRip, PROmaise and other monsato gene modification agents are actually spliced strains of e-coli, and the rhizome modification causes gene isolation for natural e-coli strains which are most similar to the lab strains- as their environment is changed by the modification to the rhizomes
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DEEP_acheleg
DEEP_acheleg: the ap[peal to nature argument is clearly a fallacy, as reductio ad absurdium can be applied to the commonality of rape in the animal world, among other "natural" phenomena...
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Logic_Probably
Logic_Probably: I fucking hate Appeal to Nature.

Naturalistic fallacy does my fucking head in. All the little Darwinists (with a capital D) trying to justify everything and anything instinctual they can get their hands on.

The nihilists use it as an excuse to do horrible things - based on an error in reasoning. It's really quite shocking how bad this fallacy is.
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Logic_Probably
Logic_Probably: In fact, I'd go as far as to say that it's the WORST logical fallacy in the intellectual world, that and the subjectivist fallacy.
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DEEP_acheleg
DEEP_acheleg: clothing is unnatural
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A_Muse_Mint101
A_Muse_Mint101: Adaptation is unnatural?
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Ring Tone
Ring Tone: The Simpson's had something to say about this on sunday's episode...but i fell asleep before i got to the end
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