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Enjoy intelligent conversation particularly about the Jewish Messiah...and no it's not jesus. Chatroom: Messiah Discussion
dragon_drinking_tea: you're still kicking me from your room?
btw, in verse 2 of chap 53, it is future tense, and so is verse 8 of chap 53, "Who shall declare his generation" it begins and ends with future tense, the middle is all example of Jewish people being a parallel to the future prophecy and that is how, DNC, because it caps it off, starting with future tense in verse 2 and ends with future tense in verse 8.
Further analysis proves this as well, since Israel was not "Without violence or deceit" as spoken in verse 9 therefor he must be talking of something more than "just the Jewish people" there is something being spoken of that is beyond that.
Even further investigation suggests this is about the messiah since the Talmud mentions it, and the Jews believed it too.
Your theory doesn't work DNC, it just doesn't.
But continue to call us and me "Mindless lemming" and "fool" and "coward." Judge me for my rough character? Judge also yourself. But I apologize for that, do you?
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DontNeedChrist: I don't take being called a liar lightly. I speak, read and write Hebrew and have for years. I owe you no explanations. I'm not accountable to you. That's the last time I will type those words.
You haven't made a lick of sense in this thread. I provided detailed scriptural proofs, but all you can do is say that I haven't. That's utter desperation and denial.
Congratulations on bringing a potentially informative, stimulating and intelligent conversation to a screeching halt.
dragon_drinking_tea: I don't want an explanation, and I know you're a pretender to know Hebrew. AND YES YOU ARE DISHONEST WITH ME, ALWAYS HAVE BEEN, I don't need anyone else to attest to that, and I don't and haven't appealed to anyone else save you and I, because I am confident in what I say and do and what I have seen and observed over and over.
The debate is over, that is if I can actually find the opponent.
Isaiah 53 still stands without proper refutation and with evidence or proof.
edmund_carey: According to Josh McDowell, Jewish exegetes themselves regarded Isaiah 53 as about the Messiah for about 1700 years. He says they changed their minds sometime in the twelfth century, perhaps in response to the Crusades. I of course don't know it he is right or not. But it was an interesting suggestion.
DontNeedChrist: Wow, somebody is extremely upset for getting caught in an adult chat room while spewing christian ideology.
DontNeedChrist: Here is where justbreath5056 hangs out in his spare time between bashing other religions claiming to be so pious. Someone was caught with their pants down!!! The hypocrisy!!!