Heaven sent the promised land
Looks alright from where I stand
'Cause I'm the man on the outside lookin' in
Waiting on the first step
Show me where the key is kept
Point me down the right line because it's time
To let me in
From the cold
Turn my lead
'Cause there's a chill wind blowin' in my soul
And I think I'm growing old
Flash the readies
Wot's uh, the deal?
Gotta make it to the next meal
Gotta keep up with the turning of
Mile after mile
Stone after stone
You turn to speak, but you're alone
A million miles from home, you're on your own
So let me in
From the cold
Turn my lead
'Cause there's a chill wind blowin' in my soul
And I think I'm growing old
Fire bright by candlelight
With her by my side
If she prefers, we will never stir
Someone said, "The Promised Land!"
So I grabbed it with both hands
Now I'm the man on the inside lookin' out
Hear me shout,
"Come on in!
Wot's the news?
Where ya been?"
'Cause there's no wind left in my soul
And I've grown old
- Roger Waters
i want to live above a freeway, no matter how late it is i could always open my window and listen to the heartbeats of the city, human beings, i could never be alone like i am right now, in darkness, wife asleep, window open ... silence
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Punchy: oh my dear dear fisty...there is NOTHING like living in the country where you can only hear the bugs and frogs at night...the occasional whipporwill under the bedroom window when you're trying to sleep can be annoying but coyotes howling are awesome
THIS! ... i first saw this on pbs at like two in the morning, as a teenager ... i was heavily into zen buddhism at the time ... i was impacted so deeply by it that i bought a vhs of it ... i never bought movies or even cds .. i could not watch it without bawling (and still can't), i can't put it into words, it's not that it contains any profound revelations (though some of it is fairly profound), i just ... i don't even know what it is ... i have searched so many times for it on youtube, hoping to share it with you, my wire friends, but it wasn't on there until now ... not everyone has the reaction i have, i only know one other person who has ... so you may not enjoy it, and i know it is a long video ... normally i wouldn't post something this large, and by all means disregard it if it isn't interesting to you ... but this is a piece of the inner chamber of my heart and soul, the sort of thing you show only to your closest friends and companions ... it is with great joy that i finally post this on wireclub ... it is by FAR my favorite, most treasured piece of video that i have ever seen
clenchedfist00: punctuation matters! halfway to my wife's work she sent me this text: "no pick up" ... i tried to call her to clarify but she was busy, so i assumed she was getting a ride and headed back home to let her in (since she doesn't have a key) ... now a few hours earlier i had sent her a text asking if her medication needed to be filled or just picked up ... she was responding to that - but if she had typed "no, pick up" i would have understood, but as it was i took it to mean she got a ride ... we live 30 min away, but luckily she was able to get a ride anyway ... and mostly i am to blame for forgetting about the earlier text, but the fact remains: lack of punctuation could easily have forced her to wait an extra hour ... moral of the story: meh i don't use punctuation when i text so who am i to say
dinner tonight, pics to follow if i remember
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theKnaveofNevermore: ah, well i could no more explain why i love music, some music, while having no interest at all in others than i could tell you why i find ice cream enthralling. is it a matter of sound and ideas that resonate with my conscious or is it just a matter of taste, the mind liking what it likes, why do i love certain foods or specific pieces of art, and what is it exactly about things that turn me off, that strike a sour note in my ear or somehow effect me in a fashion that would have me reject it out of hand, and in the case of music i find this extremely so. there is music i can listen to on endless repeat , and retain their power to move me in perpetuity, stuff that simply doesn't get old, but the flip side of that coin of course is all the music that either does not move me in any way or even worse repels me utterly. we all have music we have zero patients with and listening to it even only briefly scratches the nerves so severely as to manifest a reaction amounting to almost physical distress. i have been told by people i,m too impatient with music, if i just listen to it and give it a chance i will not only not barf but i will learn to like it, 'learn', ah, no, i find life too short to bother forcing myself to at best tolerate sounds which border on an actual assault on my senses, lol i,ve frankly almost entirely given up on current pop radio. people tell me Drake is a genius and the best thing to happen to music in 10 years, and not to sound like an out of touch fuddy duddy but i think i,d rather be waterboarded than listen to Drake. of course this is probably just me. but all this is not to say i,m some form of musical snob, that my tastes run to such a rarefied extreme as to pigeon hole me to a tiny patch of quality sound. quite on the contrary, my tastes run far and wide, but i do know what i dislike, palpably. but music is special and this i,ve always said, and it not a wonder that children learn things more effectively when the lesson is given a musical bedding on which to convey what ever concept is being put forth. children learn to sing the alphabet, and this is how, i think, that the earliest humans made themselves understood to one another, with pleasant sounds, that in time came to have actual meaning. meaning generally accepted. most languages are quite musical when you listen to them, even with out the benefit of actually understanding them, even german, which most would agree is not essentially a musical language does if you listen to it have it,s own peculiar flow, in fact just last evening i was watching a documentary about ww2, the allied bombing raids on the heart of germany from both the perspective of the poor fellows high above flying through walls of endless flack and antiaircraft fire watching helplessly as comrades all around them fell in flames to the ground below, and those unfortunate people on the ground forced to deal with death raining down from above. these people spoke in german, and while initially ( being generally unaccustomed) the sound of it was somewhat jarring, in time however the music in it could be found, and the emotion of it was palpable as memories of death and the horrors of total war were allowed once again to be voiced and heard out loud.
clenchedfist00: lol i haven't listened to much of drake, occasionally i listen to the hip hop station but i don't know much about the hippity hop, in certain moods hardcore rap feels right, notorious, uncle murda, but that's rare for me
theKnaveofNevermore: ha, i,m very selective about hippity hop, some of it i rather like, i get the message of course, and sometimes i also get that it,s more about the message than the music. now however even rap has been corporately corrupted and transformed into bubblegum wrapping. like i said, once music was the purview of poets, now simply a money making gimmick created on Madison avenue.
clenchedfist00: "Oh you are calling for Susan? She is outside in the yard right now."
"A federal crime falls outside the jurisdiction of local authorities."
"The property is just outside the city limits, but it is only a 15 minute drive to downtown."
"The details of Godel's friendship with Einstein are outside the scope of this essay."
In each of these cases we know what meaning the word "outside" has. This is obvious because we can determine what counts as a serious reply and what doesn't. In response to the second statement it could only be a joke, or a comment requiring further explanation, to say, "Well go get the crime from the federal jurisdiction and bring it back here!" - whereas "We cannot do anything about it" would be a very appropriate and expected response and would require no account of what is meant. Meaning shows up not only in what counts as a response and what doesn't, but also in what requires further extrapolation and what doesn't.
But "We cannot do anything about it" would be a strange response to the first - it would elicit further explanation as to what is meant, e.g. "Susan will not come inside and talk to me no matter what you say." Whereas "Go get her" would make perfect sense and require no further explanation.
There are also responses that just have no accepted or understood meaning in a given context. In response to the third statement, "Well, go get it!" would be just straight nonsense - it is not on the list of possible meaningful responses, either ones requiring explanation or ones not requiring it.
What about "God is outside of space and time"? What counts as an appropriate response? Certainly not " Go get him" or "There's nothing we can do about it" (though the latter might make sense with significant elaboration). What about replying to it the way one would reply to the real estate statement: "Well the location isn't ideal, but it will do." Or the essay: "Perhaps you can write another essay on that topic." Does God being "outside space and time" mean that we might go retrieve him? Or that we cannot do something that we might otherwise have done, due to his being "outside"? Or that it would be ideal if he were a little closer - maybe residing on one of the newly discovered habitable planets? Or that more might be said about God on another occasion? None of these make any sense at all to me.
What sorts of responses do make sense? Perhaps "Praise be to God." But this is strange. Why does his being "outside" of space and time elicit praise? Did he have to travel a long way to get there? Or perform a cosmic jump? Are we commending God on his achieving his position of "outside space and time"? Clearly not.
"We praise him because he is God." Fine - but this does not explain why praise is a possible response to the assertion that he is outside of space and time - unless "outside" is here used not in a physical sense, nor even a conceptual sense, but in a specifically mythico-religious sense - as part and parcel of an activity of humility towards the whole world or an expression of awe. Cf. "beyond words" - these sorts of statements underline and place exclamation points after experiences rather than providing causal explanations of them.
"I feel so much love for her that it is beyond words." An appropriate response would not be, "How do you know anything can exist beyond words? And what evidence do you have?" So with "God is beyond space and time" - it is just misunderstanding to think that it makes sense to ask such questions, as though God were a disembodied person CAUSING a religious experience rather than part of the language used to EXPRESS it. This is misunderstood inside and outside religion, almost universally - but I say to choose to believe or disbelieve in the existence of some entity called God makes as much sense as choosing to believe or disbelieve in an entity called love. If I say that I love someone, I don't assume that there is a thing called love that I might give evidence for; I merely express my state of mind. Can religious talk be expressive in this way, rather than pseudo-scientific or theoretical?
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clenchedfist00 in reply to theKnaveofNevermore: oh no my primary interest is philosophy of language and i hope to study linguistics as well, which is intimately woven in with it ... philosophy of language has been at the forefront of the field for about 100 years now, john searle is imo the rightful leader of it currently, but i favor wittgenstein and austin, i could quote his whole damn book "sense and sensibilia," i can talk about philosophy of language endlessly
but i doubt many would be interested ... i posted a selection of quotes from austin as well as two videos, but i'm afraid they are difficult to understand if you don't know that he is critiquing traditional metaphysics and don't realize the vast and deep implications that his critiques would have if successful
tularcitas: Clenched, this made me muse over language...the English language.....and how one word can evoke so many different meanings. I'm not intimately familiar with other languages and whether the same propensity is exhibited? I wonder if there are languages in which one word has only one meaning? A very excellent post, Clenched!
theKnaveofNevermore: very cool man, well i do love how you break things down to their core values. whether it be philosophy or religion, using principally language as your tool to first gut and eviscerate the topic at hand and then reconstruct the ideas in such a way as to allow us to seem them from an entirely different perspective.
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theKnaveofNevermore: absolutely man, if humans disappeared from the earth tomorrow, and left only a handful of treasured artifacts behind to be found by who or what ever thing or other that may appreciate what we have granted to posterity, music would be very close to the top of the list. nothing really demonstrates who we are like the sounds that move us.
clenchedfist00: i just stumbled across this quote on schopenhauer's birthday: "The effect of music is so very much more powerful and penetrating than that of the other arts, for these others speak only of the shadow, but music of the essence." (Arthur Schopenhauer)
clenchedfist00: a nomad's horizon changes with each step, and to walk in circles while always going forward requires walking on a globe
the destination only remains the same in that it is a variable, but the variable takes different values with each step, each mile, each region - it is always that which is straight ahead, the promised land is always beyond the horizon because its purpose is to engender neverending nomadic motion (life) - therefore it must be an abstraction (myth)
to believe in a destination is to believe in a myth, something that never becomes actual but ought to, and is worth the effort despite its futility
to understand this is to learn how to walk
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theKnaveofNevermore: try google satellite, not as good but the resolution is not terrible, and you can get close enough to see structural elements in the topography. i wish i had google earth. this thing doesn't have the ponies for it either.
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clenchedfist00: fortuna cannot be tamed, if she could, she would not be who she is, but then, of who she is, she ought to be profoundly and gravely ashamed
Punchy: Knave...years from now I believe people will see what incredible harm this man has caused our Nation...but that's just my opinion. He is an amazing orator...have to give him that credit...other than that, he's a disaster.
Empty_Everest: Wow... Spectacular the beauty of Nature creating, but if my house is destroyed by it most certainly I couldn't justify Nature, this brings to me, that the receiver decides the objectivity according to our investment. Thanks for sharing clenched