Monetary - is it the only system or is there a better way? COMPLETE!

Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: I would say that there is a better way... Listen to my Arguments..

I am Excentris in this conversation on money talks forum
And ChristCorp and OldGuy is there + some others.. Seams to be only these three..

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This Topic is now open for Discussion.. as it is a Complete topic.. and nothing more will be added by me other then whatever I respond with as posts to talk to other posters..
Have fun reading.. its not that long!.

THis topic is about Replacing Monetary with a New system.. let me explain

There is BARTER there is MONETARY.. there is 3erd Unknown System
(BARTER)
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(NEW SYSTEM) if the 21 Century creates this system.. it will be BY the people for the People.. and it will be NEW.. SUPERIOR.. STREAMLINED AND EFFICIENT.. IMPROVED Whats wrong with designing something.. a rule.. Better then Monetary.. and Obsoleting monetary? IS THIS IMPOSSIBLE.. No.. This Being Impossible is IMPOSSIBLE!!
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Zereous Excentris: This is a Battle between me and some bankers or corperatist's on the money talks forum..
Engaged in battle with the fight against Descension (The Opposite of Ascension)
Descension is problems that accumulate on your race that eventually slow your progress down to much and you begin to move backwords.. why.. Your resources are becoming limited.. You energy is going away.. Species are going Extinct Humanity is Stagnating and Your Planet is Dieing!
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The Planets Resources never change..
You can Recycle and sure it costs energy to do so but think about this for a moment and its hard to grasp the logic of this..
There could be a New system Above Money that is an all around improvement
First there was barter!
Then Money Replaced barter...
What comes after Money?
We should do Research and make a computer program of our world under the system of money and all of its integrate workings and then switch systems from money to what we think could perhaps replace the system in an endeavour to find a better way
Optimizing our world is Paramount and leads to a higher quality and better life for Everyone..
Is it so Impossible to consider the fact that money is not the perfect system?
We Must Ascend in the name of Love!

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There really is only 2 things. Barter or an agreed upon currency. The purpose is to "Exchange" one product or service for another. You can do that directly with bartering an item or your labor, or with an agreed upon currency you have based on your labor. You can't exchange a product or service for nothing.

Actually you can. If you're an ultra liberal, then you believe people are entitled to products or services, via currency, for doing absolutely nothing. E.g. Welfare. But this aside, the purpose of currency is so you don't have to walk around with all your possessions at all time ready to barter. Plus, for the individual who does more labor than they can trade. Thus, a savings account of leftover currency. You need something that is tangible to store your leftover assets or currency for the labor you provided.

Of course, the central banks and such will have you believe that in the name of security and to reduce crime, we can have a cashless society. One where all assets are digital and you use electronic type transfer for all trades. E.g debit or credit card. This is simply a ploy to gain control over the people by the banks and the government. If we go cashless, then your only choice if you don't like a bank, is to transfer your account to another one. But will most banks working together, you lose your choices. Currently, you can rebel by withdrawing all your assets in cash and keeping it at home if you want. A cashless society can also force you to spend your money. Many banks are starting to charge negative interest rates. They say you should pay them for the service of holding your money. Even though they are making money by loaning yours out. If you can remove your money, you retain the control and power and the bank can't loan out what they don't have. With negative rates, you will be manipulated to spend your money on useless crap instead of losing money each month paying interest to the bank.

The only real liquid assets you have are bartering goods and/or labor, or an agreed upon currency. And the only real money today, is gold and silver. Any paper currency backed only by the "good faith and standing" of a country is capable of crashing and deflating. There is no other replacement for exchanging goods or services other than a form of barter or an agreed upon currency. Not unless you're some naive or ignorant person who believes in a "Commune" type society where everyone shares everything and no one is wealthier than another. This too can't work because their will always be those who are either greedy or want power and control. A commune type society also doesn't work because it takes away all motivation to work harder and do your best.


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Energy could be an agreed on currency. Cant be Printed out like nonsense And also
There is a Privilege based system. and you put in an application for a computer and get one or two and you can get it retrofitted after a given time that way you are not super rich and you have computer in every room.. We have to start thinking about humanity and saving energy and resources and everyone doing something to get us to the goal.. instead of.. this.. i mean.. think about it.. there is like 600 different ways to go about it and it can be formulated to work.. and we can test it inside of a simulated world on a computer to see if it works.. this stuff exists.. we need to research and find a way to optimize our world..

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The problem with your theory, is it relies on a perfect euphoric world. No greed. Can't we all just get along? Your world also removes individual freedom. If you use energy as a currency, how do you collect it or possess it? You don't. It would have to be a system of electronic credits. That puts us back in the position of someone else or another entity, controlling us. We aren't allowed to just take our assets and leave. They aren't going to deliver you 1000 barrels of oil or a pound of plutonium because you want to physically possess your assets or wealth.

Now, you can back a currency with energy. Just like the dollar use to be backed by gold and silver. But the currency itself can't be energy. Currency is simply the portable version of wealth and asset. Thus, since going off of the gold standard, our currency isn't backed by anything. That's why the government can simply print more and our world currencies ultimately fail.

In the end, any agreed upon currency, has to be backed by something of equal value, that the owner of the currency can exchange for at any time and take physical possession of. You can give people possession of energy. Even now, it's almost too late to even back currencies with gold and silver, because there's not enough of it to cover the paper debt of dollars , euros, etc. gold would have to be worth more than $50,000 per ounce to come close. And even if you did do that, all the silver in the world would equal less than 1 ounce per person.

Currently, gold and silver are the only real money. As it has been for thousands of years. Unless we lived in your communist society where everyone is equal when it comes to wealth, your system can't work. And even then, tour commune world won't work because it takes away the incentive for people to be the best they can be. Why should I work harder than the person doing very little when they will receive the same benefits and wealth that I receive. There has to be an incentive to excel. But in your make believe world, I guess it's possible.

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HAHAHAHA but Money is backed by Nothing.. they removed the gold standard.. and they should have actualy backed it by everything... and they print it out like nonsense...
and money takes your freedom away anyways in order to earn the privalage to have lunch or go to the bar and pick up a woman you have to work for money..
Working for the privilege makes sense.. and working to keep that privilege makes sense too..
Or this world should learn to do as the marines do.. and JUST DO.. or this species is going to stagnate.. and i sware to god there would be no Little work done.. everyone has to do the same amount to gain tier one privilege.. the guy flipping a hamberger at mic D is working harder then the guy at the bank pushing numbers at a calculate and who gets payed more.. the banker.. the banker would have a much harder time going back to the freezer and doing physical work then sitting at a calculator punching in numbers and calculating.. there are jobs out there that are difficult and pay little.. and to be honest with you.. we cant even upkeep our world because it costs us to much money! thats nonsense seeing as our ECO System is our Economy System..
WE have this world to go to space with.. thats it.. and if we dont make our move we.. will eat these resources up.. then there gone.. no more chance to go to space right there..
And we keep using Petroleum.. We dont even know what else petroleum can do but we keep eating it up in cars.. we make really really terrible decisions based on money ...
We need to find a new way.. money is like anything else and can be replaced by something better.. it is impossible to believe that money is the best way.. Impossible.. to believe.. that money is the only way.. this is reality.. this is physics.. and there is so many other ways to get around this then this one system..
We must Ascend.. If we dont upgrade we will be left behind.. out with the old and in with the new.. and this system.. Monetary! is 1500 Years old.. Honestly this is the modern age.. We need a better way.. we need to keep a tighter grip on our resources..
I sware to god they make 300 000 more Xbox's then they need..
Guess what.. they also make 6 different typed of computer.. Xbox Nintendo Playstation and a Regular computer are a few examples and this is a example of stagnation.. why do we need 6 different types of computer when we can just use ONE!

Punch up some Numbers in a Earth Simulator with new ways and I bet You would be Surprised at what happens there.. Honestly take the Challenge.. Make a Earth Simulator Program.. Have some Scientists around to make up new rules other then money.. I bet You anything they will come up with a way to Optimize Humanity for Success.. There is so many Rich's out in space waiting..

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In a euphoric commune world you don't need choice. You can have just 1 choice in every category. You wouldn't need competition to keep prices down or to promote innovation or advancements. But a make believe euphoric world doesn't exist.

Without competition, which means choices, we wouldn't have the technical advancements we have today. We'd still be using horse and buggy. The reason you're even posting here today is because of competition. You take too many things for granted. You assume the technologies, science and medical advancements, etc. would have developed on their own. They wouldn't have. It took the space program and our military requirements, leading to competition to provide better advancements to customers, through competition, to get us to where we are today.

Does that mean we haven't screwed some things up? No, of course we have. But it's that same competition and technical advancements that will make petroleum unneeded and help clean the environment. It's competition leading to advancements that will find a cure for cancer. None of this could or would happen without competition, consumer choice, and basic capitalism.

But back to your original point. Money. Let's separate this into cash and wealth. Cash as we know it, meaning the dollar, euro, etc. is failed. I agree. It's useless. It's over valued with nothing of value to back it up. The only wealth out there is gold, silver, land, and items or property that people have a use for. But you can't walk around with all your possessions with you in case you want to buy or trade for something. That is the sole purpose of cash. It's convenient. Even if you went totally electronic with it and no paper cash, it's still there for convenience. The problem, as you rightfully noted, is that it's not backed by anything. Thus, the government can simply print more. The reason gold and silver have always been a media for wealth and backed the convenient cash, is because it's still portable enough that an individual could convert their cash back to gold and silver and take it with them. There isn't one country in the world that you can't purchase something with gold or silver. Try going to a 7-11 in Baltimore and buying a coke with japensese yen. Not going to happen. Cash is only good if you can convert it. You could convert dollars to other currencies, but the value constantly changes based on the faith in one currency and its government over another. That's why many countries are trying to get rid of the dollar as the reserve currency.

But in the end, you need some sort of currency. Even if it's electronic, it has to be backed by something the owner can convert back to a tangible asset of wealth. Oil isn't good because you can't take delivery of hundreds or thousands of barrels of oil. Of course, in a make believe world, everyone would simply work and receive the necessities of life automatically. But that make believe world can't exist. The burger flipper might do harder labor, but they didn't spend a lot of time going back to school to learn economics, accounting, investing, etc. like a banker did. And the reason people get paid more than others, is usually based on the responsibility level required of them or what they bring to a company that will help that business succeed and do better. If you want to compare, then compare the burger flipper to the McD shift supervisor. The burger flipper does more hard labor, but the supervisor has more responsibilities and thus gets paid more.

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I don't want to hear what you assume to be fact.. I want to see systems tested on a computer Simulated Humanity on earth to see the results.. and i bet you we can 2x this Bs! you are under the illusion and assumption there is no other way... and that is absolutely not true!

Money is not a Solution anymore its a Problem.. A Problem that needs to be Eliminated!
What is so hard about doing Research into this to find another way?
it could Even be a Simulated United States with United States Civilization going another System from money.. It does not have to be a Euphoric People to work..

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You can simulate all you want. It's like you're trying to argue math and science. The truth and facts are what they are. You can't pretend they don't exist.

Truth: you produce or gain wealth from your labor. Either physical or intellectual. There's no other way to produce or gain wealth. Not unless you are some sort of welfare recipient. In which case, your wealth is created off of someone else's labor.

Truth: the wealth you gain must be in a form of asset that can be accumulated, divisible, storable, and exchangeable to someone else in return for an asset or labor that they possess and the two parties agree in equal value.

Fact: the wealth gained must be tangible and portable. The owner of the wealth must be able to maintain ownership wherever they are. Ultimately, the wealth must have the capability of being physically handed over to the owner should they want possession of it. Others can't be able to maintain control over another's wealth against the owners will. Hence, the wealth must eventually have physical properties.

Fact: excess wealth, based on producing more labor than needed for subsistence, must also be in a form that can be accumulated, saved, and exchanged at a later time.

These are the truths and facts. You cannot dispute this. I agree that cash is useless because there is no wealth backing it up and it can be manipulated simply by printing more. Notice I said cash and not money. There is a difference. Money is wealth. It's what you use to trade, barter, buy, etc. something you want or need. Cash or currency is simply a representation of money/wealth. When cash/currency is backed by money/wealth, all is good. When it's not backed by anything of value, like most world currencies, then it's useless. In this, we agree.

These are the truths and facts. You can rationalize that all you want. It cannot and will not ever change. I have no problem with your thought of replacing cash/currencies with something else. But don't confuse cash/currency with money/wealth. Cash can be replaced with anything. Corn, oil, gold, silver, copper, cocain, etc. that isn't important. What's important is that the cash/currency must either have value itself or it must be backed 1:1 with something of equal value. Such as when the dollar was backed by gold and silver. We don't disagree in this area.

I'm simply stating that there must be some form of cash/currency that equally represents an individual's wealth, and that cash/currency must be portable for convenience, and it has to represent an individual's actual wealth; and the wealth that it represents must be capable of being surrender back to the owner so she or he can take possession of it should they want to. That's why a cashless society in total, is not a valid long term solution. It takes away the individuals ability to possess and control their own wealth. On paper people can operate totally electronically with credits and debits. But in a cashless society, the banks and government can then control the individuals spending and the economy, instead of the individual controlling their own economy.
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Fact and Truth - Reality does not care about your Man made System or Your man made logic of this system for humanity to work adapt and survive or to defend this man made 1500 year old chipped up flawed system!
Fact and Truth - Reality allows us to Research a better way through math and Science! You can't pretend they don't work!

Fact and Truth: Humanity produce's or gain's Resources and Technology Faster and more Effectively under less Heavy Foot of Economy. and a Fact and Truth off of this one.. Ideas are not stolen and it does not cost money to produce a technology through a patent office and the original creator has more power over his creation and knows it better then the fool who stole it from him and Furthermore the Genius is not Un Enamored to Create more for Humanity! All being an Effect of greed!

(Truth: the wealth you gain must be in a form of asset that can be accumulated, divisible, storable, and exchangeable to someone else in return for an asset or labor that they possess and the two parties agree in equal value.) This statement is absolutely not true as humanity can provide enough to live on for a fairly good life for all and also provide things like ONE computer saving are ECO SYSTEM which is out economy system.. Which is True Wealth for humanity VS fake Cotton paper.. Something needs to get done.. it gets done.. someone needs something they get it and if someone wants something say an XBOX they get a Computer that can do all the systems Every single one.. Nintendo Xbox and everything else and this is only ONE example of what can become ONE thing.. Like Restaurants.. We don't need 6 different variations of Berger kings (Mic D, Windy's Ect, ect,) or three types of petroleum products Basic to premium when there should only BE THE BEST!

Fact: the wealth gained must be tangible and portable. The owner of the wealth must be able to maintain ownership wherever they are. Ultimately, the wealth must have the capability of being physically handed over to the owner should they want possession of it. Others can't be able to maintain control over another's wealth against the owners will. Hence, the wealth must eventually have physical properties. ((the Accumulation of wealth is Obsolete in a system of sister and Brotherhood of Humanity))

Fact and Truth: Money cant pay for the jobs on Earth that need to be done such as Care taking for Our Planet.. Species are going extinct which are priceless and money is completely meaningless in comparison! and dont forget the Planet is Humanity's Economy System (ECO system)

((These are the truths and facts. You cannot dispute this. I agree that cash is useless because there is no wealth backing it up and it can be manipulated simply by printing more. Notice I said cash and not money. There is a difference. Money is wealth. It's what you use to trade, barter, buy, etc. something you want or need. Cash or currency is simply a representation of money/wealth. When cash/currency is backed by money/wealth, all is good. When it's not backed by anything of value, like most world currencies, then it's useless. In this, we agree))
Humanity's Money and Cash is Resources.. Without them We will die.. and We use Petroleum as a Economy bost for Cash flow.. Like Dumb @#*@#$.. Instead of Using it for its possible full Potential.. We cant make an Optimizing Switch because of money such as going to Electric cars to save our Atmosphere and Our Lives because they cost to much money and GUSS WHAT.. THE STAR WE ORBIT PUMPS OUT ENERGY ALL FLIPPITY DAY!!!

These are the truths and facts. You can rationalize that all you want. It cannot and will not ever change. ( Can and will never change because you are under the ilusion that you are powerless to do anything about it and Humanity needs to adapt and survive)
Corn, oil, gold, silver, copper, Make Devices and are food and Knowledge and Wisdom is Wealth and Survival.. All of these or the things you consider Money, Wealth, cash or currency Which is the Ultimate goal.. We focus on our Greed and Self more then we Focus on The Sister and Brotherhood of Humanity and its Survival..

Truth and Fact - Reality does not care about individualism's Wealth.. and Time does not wait for any Civilization.. Back in the day when we entered the space race Money did not mean anything and we Ownt pwnt that goal.. Would money stop an Asteroid from Colliding with earth ending our Civilization.. Or would it be the men women and Children's combined effort who stopped it when earth set aside its differences dropped the hindrance of money and every other thing that hindered humanity and picked up the tools to combat or oncoming Annihilation..

It is not so hard to Hire a few Scientists to do Research into a more effective and efficient way.. You keep saying you need to keep this or that portable or whatever but i would throw down a million dollars right now on that computer program proving money is just a Giant hindrance to humanity's survival.....

If you keep on believing that it will never change and you continue to do nothing about and continue to believe there is nothing you can do about it.. then it never will change.. and Reality says otherwise on all three of these statements!

Jesus Christ would agree with Me!

And think about all the benefits to humanity.. i could spend a whole day typing up a list of benefits to humanity! that would Quite literal MAKE a Euphoric World! to get to and To have a Euphoric world we have to Formulate FOR a Euphoric world!

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I originally used the words "Euphoric", "Commune", etc. in a visionary "Figure of speech". But I realize now, that you really believe that we all can live in a world completely free of greed and people trying to control one another. A world where everyone contributes towards the common good and individual wealth is not a factor. Maybe after a global wide catastrophe, but for now, enjoy your make believe world. And remember:

"Just say NO to drugs".

You can can have final or all future comments on this thread. I will not make any further comments. I thought it was going to be an actual discussion on replacing our existing cash/currency system which is flawed. Not a discussion on a make believe Utopia world. Have a great day.


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Your World is a Make Believe Game of Monopoly and man made Rules!
HAHAHA and they resort to the slander that I do drugs like foolish idiots like this!
Your Species is going to go Extinct if you do not play by Reality's rules!
Reality does not care about your man made game of Greed!
And Honestly Reality will not make room for man made Logic!
This Guy Runs away from Debate battle.. Money Losses I win... Who's next to defend money the system of man made rules and man made logic!
Play by Reality's rules and not some man made Farce! cant beat that Logic!
Do the Research. and Above I mention how as well.. it will lead to better ways!
We must change, adapt, Advance and Ascend in the name of Love!


The Global wide Catastrophe.. Economic collapses.. Did the Resources Disappear? No.. All it takes is work time and energy.. It will hit so hard and fast you will be doing something about it at the last minute and you wont even know what to do.. There will be Rioting and looting in the streets.. and it is Covertly creeping up on you as we Type!


Allways Remember that the Technology I enamor Up is for Humanity as I post on these Forums.. This Technology like my 100% light Absorbtion Solar Panels and Electric Car Motor Upgrades and many Other Technologies I writhe out of my head are GIFTS to Humanity..
If i Catch some Corporatist Stealing My stuff and Pretending it is his and making some Empire and then using his money to get Women with the Money rod of COnvince Her mind.. and I sware to god they go after the Sweet and Caring ones for a reasion.. they have money and they want a woman who does not want them for there money.. You can see why I would get Aggravated.. You can tell that I am a Genius.. And I will make you My Personal Enemy.. I will call Vendetta down on you and You will suffer my Wrath.. This Technology I Create around these forums is For Humanity and You all ways Remember that.. It is not for Your Personal Advancement it is for Humanity's Ascendance..

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perhaps replace the system in an endeavour to find a better way
Optimizing our world is Paramount and leads to a higher quality and better life for Everyone..
Is it so Impossible to consider the fact that money is not the perfect system?
We Must Ascend in the name of Love!


You continually repeat that you hate the monetary system - but what is it about money that you dislike? And what would you like? "Love" is nice but I doubt that you can build a system or a society around it.

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The Planets Resources never change..
You can Recycle and sure it costs energy to do so but think about this for a moment and its hard to grasp the logic of this..


Yup. Eg, whatever water that came with this planet is still here, no more, no less. If you boil it, you get steam, a cloud, and it rains. Water your lawn, some evaporates and it rains, some goes into the water table and gets back to the ocean, And then evaporates, clouds, and rain. All rivers and stream on the planet eventually get to the ocean - and the evaporation from the surface is clean pure H2O, no chemicals, no salt, yada. So, essentially, all water that we drink, bathe in, cook with, was dinosaur piss at some point in time.
Same with oil - we can burn it, convert it to energy, increase entropy - but it us still there, just in a different form. And so on, with all things.

As for your theories on 'work'. There is muscle work and intellectual work. If you were blessed with big muscles and have limited analytical ability, you worth is based on 'you load 16 tons of #9 coal". And if you were given analytical skills, you do the mental work - eg, the physics, the differential equations, the thermal analysis, the structural analysis, to put Man on the Moon.
But your idea that the Banker cannot flip burgers or get stuff from the freezer is wrong. I was an engineer on the Apollo program in the 1960s & 70s - and a missile engineer thereafter. But I can also load hay bales, drive a Combine, drive an18-wheeler, milk cows, castrate hogs, harness a team, yada. OTOH, I've never tried flipping burgers - don't know if I can or can't - lol.

BTW, are you a financial success? or a financial failure?
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hehehehe I never said he could not flip the berger or go to the freezer.. but trust me.. he would rather writhe at the calculator then deal with the hamburger ^.^

financial success ^.^
I meticulously and methodically handle my money.. or a methodical process of meticulous stages if need be..


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That being the case, then it is a choice whether or not you'd rather be flipping burgers for low pay or tinkering with a calculator for more money. No one forced the hamburger flipper to take the job.

Ronald Reagan once noted the basic difference between Democrats and Republicans. “Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July,” he said. “Democrats believe every day is April 15th.”
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IF you got 2 more dollars an hour for flippin hamberger or 2 dollars less for calculator and sitting on your bum.. what would you rather do.. be honest.. i would rather be at the calculator myself
Oh and uh.. Yes.. He was forced to take the job or he would be on the streets and other jobs wont accept him...


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[quote="Excentris"]IF you got 2 more dollars an hour for flippin hamberger or 2 dollars less for calculator and sitting on your bum.. what would you rather do.. be honest.. i would rather be at the calculator myself
Oh and uh.. Yes.. He was forced to take the job or he would be on the streets and other jobs wont accept him...[/quote

Let's be honest here, if your getting 2 more dollars an hour to flip hamburgers then sitting on your bum with a calculator, that must be a very low paying job. Manual labor jobs on average don't pay neearly as well as jobs that come with an education, http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Degree=Bachelor%27s_Degree/Salary. My point is that if you choose to not get an education of any type then on average your salary for a manual labor job versus having an education and getting a good job, is far less statiscally.

As for your example of someone taking a job or being on the streets, well yes in that extreme example which represents a very small portion of the population then you'd be right. But stastically your wrong. Only 3.5 percent of the popluation her in Minneapolis are unemployed for example.

Ronald Reagan once noted the basic difference between Democrats and Republicans. “Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July,” he said. “Democrats believe every day is April 15th.”
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i did not state any facts that they are low paying jobs but i am going to assume the obvious you would give up that 2 extra dollars to push buttons and sit down rather then stand and flip hamburgers and the flip hamburger for 2 extra dollars.. Funniest bs.. you get 7.95 flipping hamburgers and 12 for sitting and pushing button.. that is BS in my mind because the guy standing and flipping hamburgers has to be all methodical fast and timed and has a tedious job ware as the guy pushing buttons at a calc just pleasurably sits in a luxury chair and pushes buttons into a calculator then into a computer.. job could be 12 and the calculator job can be 10 in my scenario.. the only factor I enamored up is that it pays 2 dollars more to flip hambers and what would u rather do.... And I Know You would Choose the Calculator Job to sit and also so you dont have to do tedious work

Managing Money is Easy as Pie and Flipping hamburgers is a stereotype of being easy and it is not.. I have been there.. You have to deal with standing for 8 hours sometimes the hamberger gets burned if you are not timed right as you are doing something else you have to remember stuff and standing all day makes yoyour legs get numb up your shins and back of the leg.. and they get payed way less

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First of all, the jobs you're quoting are way more than a $2 an hour difference. I am not in the banking or finance industry, but my job in management which is mainly administrative in nature, makes 5-7 times that of a burger flipper if broken down to an hourly wage. I say 5-7 times more because it depends on the area of the country you are and the pay scale. And yes, most of my job is behind a desk.

But that pay comes with a much greater degree of responsibility, education, and experience than the burger flipper. In other words, anyone in my field could be a burger flipper tomorrow with very little training. None of the burger flippers could do my job. Not without many years of education, training, and experience.

You fail to recognize that most higher paying individuals worked their way up to that position. They started off at the bottom, making much less pay and producing a lot more sweat. But for any job, company, corporation, etc. to be successful and efficient, it requires managers who have given that sweat and labor, and who have developed the skills and received the training and education to be able to be responsible for many employees and millions of dollars in assets. Even that burger flipper has a manager that primarily sits at a desk and takes care of managing resources. This individual even gets paid considerably more money than the burger flipper in the other room.

You bought into the bull shit class warfare argument that everyone should get paid the same. Sorry, but everyone is not worth the same. Some people bring more skills and talents and they should get paid more than someone with less skills and talents. And before you go on about minimum wage and a living wage, don't. Minimum wage jobs were never meant to be a living wage. They were designed for low skilled employees, usually young inexperienced individuals, as a starting point to learn skills, develop work ethics, and be a stepping stone to advanced employment. Some minimum wage jobs are good for part time supplemental employment for individual who want additional income.

It is not my concern or problem if some people don't want to pursue education or build up their job skills to get a better job later. And instead, they'd rather pump out puppies in their teenage years. As a teenager, I had quite a few minimum wage jobs. While going to school and living at home, I had numerous entry jobs to help me make some money and develop skills. By the time I graduated high school, I had enough skills to work up to a better paying job. After a number of years of gaining experience and going to college part time, I increased my education and experience. I then moved up to even better paying jobs. I kept advancing, kept increasing my education and kept increasing my skills and experience to where I am at today.

The problem today is, many people don't think they should have to work their way up. They want all the luxuries that their parents had, but immediately after leaving high school. They want a minimu, wage job to be a living wage instead of an entry type job to develop skills or a supplemental income. And they resent anyone who worked their way up to a better financial bracket. Instead, they are lazy, or irresponsible and pumping out puppies, and they don't accept responsibility for themselves and that the reason they are poor, is mainly their own fault.


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Nah Its Just a Persion who sits there and Calculates a Budget and he gets payed more money not exactly your job but just someone who manages Man made Logic man made rules money.. and he gets payed more then flipping hamburgers guys. I could understand getting payed more for Mental work though.. but to be honest with you i could do your job 6x easier then doing the flip a hamburger job.. I would just set up scripts and bullshit Computer A.I.s and manage that and whatch what happens.. and tweek it to perfection.. then i will check up on it every once in a while to make sure its going smooth.. I am that bada$$.. free's me up to do other tasks that are more important or less important that could not be automated

Hmhmhmh... You know if a guy is out in the forest lost.. they quite litteraly enamor up a search for the guy for free to save his life..
kind of funny that We play by Realities Rules then.. Imagine if the guy lost had to pay money to be found or his family would have to foot the bill or money was somehow involved..
Humanity is in trouble.. the economy is going down hill and you like to call a dark age a depression..
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Nah Its Just a Person who sits there and Calculates a Budget and he gets payed more money not exactly your job but just someone who manages Man made Logic man made rules money.. and he gets payed more then flipping hamburgers guys. I could understand getting payed more for Mental work though.. but to be honest with you i could do your job 6x easier then doing the flip a hamburger job.. I would just set up scripts and bullshit Computer A.I.s and manage that and whatch what happens.. and tweek it to perfection.. then i will check up on it every once in a while to make sure its going smooth.. I am that bada$$.. free's me up to do other tasks that are more important or less important that could not be automated


I think I have to go back to one of my posts from a different thread and repeat: "Just say NO to drugs".

You have no idea what you're talking about. And to think you could do my job easier than flipping burgers is the true bull shit artist at work. Spend 5-6 years in school; become an engineer; get all the certifications that annotate that you actually know what you're BS'ing in the job interview; and then maybe you can do my job. But because you'd be fired probably within a week, you probably would wind up flipping burgers. Because that's where the unskilled labor goes to work. Whether or not they want to improve themselves, is totally up to them.

I stopped commenting in the other thread because I realized what you were preaching wasn't about money. Now I realize that you bring absolutely no value to ANY discussion that concerns money. I'm done here. I'll wait for your next thread to begin about something else meaningless.

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You did not Enamor up the fact that you are an Engineer or artist or what not.. you said manager and when I hear Manager I assume You manage people..

And The Value of My Discussion is in Humanity not Money.. I See the Bigger Picture..
You have to Really ask Yourself this Question How much Damage does money do and how much help isit? and is it really worth it? Especially when I Know Science and Research can come up with a better way.. and nothing you can ever say will ever make that a dream..that my friend is a reality you could never ever defeat! You just say its a dream because you are blind to reality.. Your Mind eyes are covered by a green slip of cotton paper!
Humanity needs to take control of its future instead of a Game called monetary Dictate its future!

so oh and uh.. Yeah.. Seriously if I hear say no To Drugs from you one more time I will get Angry and Ping around and get Your Ip address to Your computer and Crack Your operating System or Overclock Your Processor if I am Angry Enough .. Because that Really Pisses me off!.. Do I make Personal Slander about You? No.. Actually to be honest with You People who say just say no to drugs like you do pry do them anyways.. How do You like that? Bet You hate that Nonsense Huh? I Honestly do say no to drugs man so dont say it anymore..
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As my father always said, "Get an education so that you don't have to do manual labor". He was right, because manual labor jobs don't pay as well according to US statistics and the other benifit is there's less wear and tear on your body. The fact is, society sets the rules and pay based on need, so again it is a choice for the majority of us. For example, Walmart workers went on strike demanding higher pay. Well, nothings stopping them from quitting and getting a job elsewhere that pays more. Get off your butt and learn something and work very hard at it.

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so oh and uh.. Yeah.. Seriously if I hear say no To Drugs from you one more time I will get Angry and Ping around and get Your Ip address to Your computer and Crack Your operating System or Overclock Your Processor if I am Angry Enough .. Because that Really Pisses me off!.. Do I make Personal Slander about You? No.. Actually to be honest with You People who say just say no to drugs like you do pry do them anyways.. How do You like that? Bet You hate that Nonsense Huh? I Honestly do say no to drugs man so dont say it anymore..


Oh wow!! A simple "no, I don't do drugs" would have sufficed. (Your extended answer says it all)
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Ahhh Old guy.. I dont like calling you old guy.. I just wanted to Display my anger to him so he learns not to say nonsense like that to people..

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You bought into the bull shit class warfare argument that everyone should get paid the same.


Try to keep the language on this forum mature please. Your username says "Christ" in it.

Ronald Reagan once noted the basic difference between Democrats and Republicans. “Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July,” he said. “Democrats believe every day is April 15th.”
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littleroc02us.. I cusssed too Please forgive me..

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littleroc02us.. I cusssed too Please forgive me..


Let's just try to stay on topic and enjoy your time on this forum. Emotions always seem to get in the way of facts. Oh, and your forgiven. Smile

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Hmmm... I Single Highhandedly Do Better then the Whole Human Race.. I Thought Humans had Ingenuity.. I dont know if it is Money holding back Humanity.. Your Corporation which you think is Your buddy.. or it is there level of human Ingenuity.. Or perhaps the Corperation just makes BS Upgrades to make money... But Honestly.. For some Reasoon My Ingenuity goes far beyond this Whole Race based on what I see around Me.. I Honestly Think its because of Your Greed... Thinking Like this Can get Your Race Exterminated by Reality.. Some guy is coming up with the Thwart to your Impending doom and because of a product chip or because of Your Races Allright level of Ingenuity.. the Computer Crashes right when he is going to push enter.. or anytime between... slowing him down..

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I'm not replying any longer to this thread. I said I wouldn't. Not on the subject of money. I don't think you offer any practical or realistic insight on that topic.

But I am curious why you reply to all your other posters in the 3rd person. You say things like "YOUR species" or "YOUR race". Why can't you say "OUR" race or species? Are you of a different species? You've already implied that you believe you are better and more advanced than the rest of us. I'm just curious if you are human or some sort of extra terrestrial. I am not trying to be derogatory or personal. Simply noticing a trend when you speak of our behavior or position on a topic. It seems to always be "YOUR" species or race. You exclude yourself from being part of thee same species.

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My Insigt is very practical and realistic.. You Honestly think Your Money System is Reality or something// You Play this game and it Hinders You through both greed and Inhability.. It dictates how advanced you are..
I Think that I am more advanced Because I could build a Better Faster Computer then Your Whole Species is Capabale of Managing.. On a Civilin to Civilin Scale such as me Using New egg as an Example and if I had Military and Scintest Technology to build a Super Computer My Super Computer would be far better..
I Look at Your Human Design and it just sucks.. I Honestly say this to get Your Species to try harder

And there are reasions why I Seperate Myself from Your Species.. I wont Consider Myself a part of Your Race Untell the day You Ascend to My level.. Your Species is quite litteraly Childish// I Honestly Can not hold back the truth on that and obvously that would agrivate you but you have to come to the fact that you are a newborn race.. and even I am still a Child and for all of ages will be no mater how high I ascend But Honestly I just want Your Species to try harder.. and honestly You would say You are trying as hard as you can but you are 25% assing it.Quite Litteralty Half Assing it at half assing it.. I know this would Agrivate You.. But I have to be Brutaly Honest with You or Your Species will think everything is ok and You will never grow up thinking You have matured or something and that is not the fact.. After all You still play a Species wide game and let your lives be dictated by it.. You also dictate how far a human can advance by it when they are capable of so much more.. it bothers me.. That we could be 300% more then what we are now but some game limits your species to infintilisem

There are people out there who think they are contributing something.. and they sadly are contributing nothing.. making there lives meaningless.. well atleast they had love and life but what did they leave for there next generation.. to me that is an atrocity..

Money Even dictates Your ability to take care of your planet.. You honestly spend way to little Care taking for the planet... if this planet was under my Control I would do something more about it.. I would Know exactly what to do and You would to and the things we can do go undone.. and little things are done sure.. but emagine a Corperation that made money doing it somehow it makes them money to do it.. emagin how nice our planet would be then.. they would literaly go out of there way to do it for the money trying to find new things to do for the planet.. honestly though.. Humanity makes money doing it.. its Our ECO SYstem,, Eco Stands for ECONOMY..

You need to just advance and Remove the Obsticals and one of the Obsticals to Advancment is Obvously money and You know this to be a fact.. You can Argue with Your Cerculer man made logic o about welth or whatever and I will argue about the stand point of reality forever and you can never seam to grasp the concept... You Honestly dont even try you just convince yourself money is the way.. You have the Option to Research a better way then monitary.. and i dont know how you argue that away.. If it was a Species at My level of Understanding we would try.. Your Species does not even try!

Proof of the Infintilisem of the Species here is the fact that there are obvous things around you that money or people or both cause that go unsolved why? no one does enough to do anything about it.. you are to bussy going to your job to even try to take care of it.. Honestly it would even generate a new job but if people take time to do something about it they can not because they are straped down by the life money gives them..
DO You Honestly think you have freedom? You dont.. Money is Your master and god.. and Your Species Forces me Under it..which I honestly could coop witch but I am 300% better then Myself if I was not under Your Race's Master and Your Race's God
There should be other options for Me... In Reality that is how it allways is.. Mutible options.. Reality Dictates that But Once again Your Species forces me into the One Option and its a man made Unreality..

You may not understand my view point but I understand Money perfectly fine.. THe fact that You cant understand me make sense.. thats because you understand something that has been around for 1500 years and you see it as truth or something.. It is a man made thing that is only a reality inforced by man.. Once you inforce something else and make sense of it.. it will work out you just have to modyfy and change it around and make it work.. and eventualy you will see..
The fact is I Know that I am Right about this.. You Know that You are right about money.. My way and understanding is Beyond the monitary system.. You just have to understand.. You will see what I see eventualy if you try hard enough..
Money causes the Opposit of ascension and You think it causes ascension.. and if You Know that and agree with me You could do something about it.. or you could just sit there and do nothing.. and then nothing changes and the next generation has to deal with the compounded problems that are building up on this planet.. and those problems will cause your species to be exterminated by yourselves..

We honestly need to focus on the goal of getting to the stars and I have a Way for us to get to alpha centari if Humanity is Interested.. but in order to do it.. if you want to keep money.. it will cost you far to much money and.. you may just have to give it up..

bet you are sick of eating oranges and grapes and stuff... bet there is some new biodiversity on those planets out there!

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On a Civilin to Civilin Scale such as me Using New egg as an Example and if I had Military and Scintest Technology to build a Super Computer My Super Computer would be far better..


Oh c'mon, we easily do that in Labs - but there is no point to build nano-routing into 'daily drivers', engineers have no need for that level of speed - and it takes us thousands of hours to build one.

Isn't YOUR species the one that thinks you can build a tower that goes 100 of miles up into deep Space - and is powered by magnets? You've got to do better than that to be 300% better that Earth Species.

OTOH, if you feel that our fiat currency metric is holding you back, surely you are smart enough devise a way to accumulate enough fiat currency to remove the hurdles that hold you back? ( I'm not even a part of your Super Species and I became wealthy just by following the rules & doing the work).
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Welth is Meaningless.. which is a game and holds even you back! Knowlage and Wisdom is everything!
Magnets are a Support Structure and allow the construct to Reach Higher to Launch Larger Packages from your planet allowing more access to space.. It is called a space Elivator.. and it does not reach 100 miles up unless you want it to which the magnets would help you with... if you are smart enough to understand how it works.. it only needs to be 22-24 miles high really..
and your species enamored up the man made rule that i have to pay money to pattent my working designes.. kind of bull if you ask me.. as it would only take one google search to do the same thing the pattent office does and i could make a video explaining it with my voice and bam its patented on youtube.. You even hold your own species back by making it hard for people to create new advancments.. Honestly i could do the Seatch and pattent it assuming its my idea and it could honestly be pattented allready and i wwould be informed by the guy himself ir would litteraly work itself out..
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if you are smart enough to understand how it works.. it only needs to be 22-24 miles high really..


As I mentioned before, I was an engineer on the Apollo program, I know how to put a bird into Space. And I can get it done w/o a 20 mile high stack of magnets, lol. (Most of our earth orbit stuff is about 300 to 400 miles up, and has roughly a 90 minute orbit. And the geosynchronous stuff is 24,000 miles up.

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and your species enamored up the man made rule that i have to pay money to pattent my working designes.. kind of bull if you ask me.. as it would only take one google search to do the same thing the pattent office does and i could make a video explaining it with my voice and bam its patented on youtube.. You even hold your own species back by making it hard for people to create new advancments.. Honestly i could do the Seatch


But why would you want to do the search yourself? I got the Patent Office to do it FOR me, all I needed to do was submit my drawings and a prototype, they did the Search and the paperwork, and I waited for the patent(s) to be awarded. As for being held back by money - I was happy to hire them, that way I was able to use my time elsewhere.

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its so easy to do a search myself i just type the idea in.. im not going to pay someone to do it for me...
Honestly man... you can put a bird into space but you can not put a nice big package into space to colonize the moon or mars if we ever want to..
We want a big package in space we dont want to just go to space..

We need to Collect one of those asteroids and build my solar forge to make a blob of steel out of it and then polish it into a nice seamless spaceship hollowed out from the thruster ports and send it to colonize another world..

try polishing that starship with your tiny little space shuttle

but to be honest with you the Culdrin can have a shape to it... Preeshaping the ship.. but you have to still hallow it out

Star and space Tempured Hull

I also have Superconductors... Thing about thise.. hehe


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Lol, why would you polish it - there is no atmosphere out there?

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Honestly man think.. dont act like a jackass.. You Obvously use Devices and stuff to do it.. Like a Stardock with Computers running arms.. I will just pass that off as you joking around though..
Dono how you guys are going to build the Starforge and the Space dock with Bs Shuttles.. perhaps you could atleast get the asteroid and set it into earth orbit.. having an asteroid orbiting earth would be the Baddarse sight of a lifetime

"OldGuy - Most of our earth orbit stuff is about 300 to 400 miles up, and has roughly a 90 minute orbit. And the geosynchronous stuff is 24,000 miles up."

I Do Like You though atleast You Know some stuff... Makes me Happy..

Go Read up about the space elevator ..
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Hahahaha YoutR Species is Duncing Itself for Money every day..
While all the Resources sit out of Your reach as You stagnate on this Planet..
I have the Keys sitting in my hands as gifts to Humanity and I expect You not to use them to get supper rich off of.. but they are all so expensive.. You cant even control them...
Do You Think Corporation can Enter space?
Nah See its Humanity that Enters space..
Technology is a Gift of GOD..
You Use it to get rich.. sit back and Relax life away.. and act like bs about it.. like it Motivates you to work..
Nah see Certain rich people just Easy to the top and its over they just lax and opt out.. and they have the Money rod of Rich to Manipulate and monopull a mind..
Money Is common core..
Money is man made Logic.
Money is not Reality..
Research and Science owns it..
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Nah See its Humanity that Enters space..


That's kinda silly - corporation and humanity are the same thing, what do you think a corporation is? A group of people - you, you neighbors, your family - are members of a corporations. A few people incorporate, the business grows, you get a larger corps. You must think that a corp is a mystical band of haters who wish go take your money??
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funniest bs is Corporation is an Entity out to make nothing but profit and the people behind that Corporation are payed to think a certain way.. they only want to get the corp its food.. and that food is money.. I will not allow Corporation to go to space with my Intellectual Property.. Humanity is about Peace and Prosperity and Advancement.. Corporation is about its food.. Money.. and You think Money is these 3 aspects peaces prosperity and Advanccement.. money is not even about advancement it is about greed and advancement of self.. has nothing to do with human advancement.. has everything to do about personal advancement.. Everything on this Planet is already humanity's.. We need to Start using it to get out into space.. and stop using it for Personal Wealth.. Or You Will Stagnate

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Is the Meaning of Your Life Money?
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Corporation is an Entity out to make nothing but profit and the people behind that Corporation are payed to think a certain way.. they only want to get the corp its food.. and that food is money..


Well, it is trendy for boomers to be corporation haters - apparently it has been drilled in by parents, schools, academia. It turns out that the profit motive is the most powerful force among societal organizations - stronger than dictators, stronger than 'do good', stronger than religion. In a corporation, a group of co-workers can focus on the success/profit of a task in an extremely strong manner, that's why 'for-profits' are 210% more productive than 'non-profits'.

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money is nnot even about advancement it is about greed and advancement of self.. has nothing to do with human advancement.. has everything to do about personal advancement..


'Money' is simply a method to measure stored work. If you spend money before you earn it, you will have big car payments. And if you earn more than you consume, you keep your stored work in a bank. Not that complicated, doesn't involve greed, advancement, yada, it is simply a metric for stored work.
Your earnings "rate" is a function of your worth - if you choose an unskilled job, you get minimum wage. And if you educate yourself, become a surgeon, a CEO, etc, you get the highest rate. And you can choose anything between those two extremes - most of us pick something close to the middle (normal gaussian distribution).
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Corporation Patents Your Ideas with the Patent office to make You pay for Your idea to put in the patent office and it sits on a shelf in a peace of paper and waits for you to die so they can use it for themselves..
Unless You make corporation in which case they just wrath around with your corp untell they buy you out or Mud Campaign against you to hard.. and all your Customers are gone..
Just like E cig.. FDA BS against.. then by your friendly Cancer Corporation big Cigarette..
If You get Cancer Big Cigarette Corporation does not pay.. you do.. Marry Christmas time for Doctors when they actually have cure.. Corporation again.

this guy he says corporation that is money based is 210% more efficient.. Yeah it is 210% more.. At the cost of Humanity's Efficiency.. Non Profit does not cost Humanity;s Efficiency.. it increases it

Humanity's meaning of Existence is Money.. You force people who want a different path besides the money road to make money there god.. When there should be Multiple Path.. Its time to Apply Research and Science.. Humanity has Growin old enough to find a new way and you still act as if humanity is a child and can not use anything else besides money.. Anything else being other systems and other ways.. world wide and not one city still under the influince of this species narcotic called money..

Once again You are using the Resources of this Planet for Personal Welth instead of using it to get into space and as advancement.. We need to change.. Money is a Bill or an act just like something from the government and it needs to be replaced and changed or you will stagnate..

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Corporation Patents Your Ideas with the Patent office to make You pay for Your idea to put in the patent office and it sits on a shelf in a peace of paper and waits for you to die so they can use it for themselves..


Umm, no - my company paid for the patent atty, paid me for the ideas - and put my patented ideas in use many years ago.
Again - you say "so they can use it for themselves" - who do you think "they" is?? [/b]
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You got Lucky.. + You have a Company.. Lucky again
We need to stop Living for money and Start living for Humanity..

Imagine this.. Patents are free.. and there is this Laboritory and Technological Mechanics bay.. called the Inventors Workshop.. And You go there to Refine and Invent Your idea or just try to do things to make something new.. and its Provided for by some means.. I dont care what Corperation could throw in on it and say they own 20% of what You make.. Guess how EASY that is.. Instead of Messing around.. Humanity would be Advancing like Nonsense.. I would go there to Invent my stuff.. People would Gather round and I would have this Team of people and we would just Invent my Ideas.. For the Advancement of Humanity and this world..

Humanity Holds its arm to Stiff and something will come down snapping it.. What did You Learn..
You keep fallowing this path.. You are doomed.. There is only one path.You sit there and repeat it a thousand times saying there is only one path.. You are holding Your arm to stiff and soon..

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lol - when I said my company, I didn't mean MY company - the company that I worked for is an SP500 company with 90,000 employees.

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Imagine this.. Patents are free.. and there is this Laboritory and Technological Mechanics bay.. called the Inventors Workshop.. And You go there to Refine and Invent Your idea or just try to do things to make something new.. and its Provided for by some means.


Oh c'mon, almost all companies have R&D Labs that are "inventors workshops", we had several, at least one at every Division. 'provide for by some means?" lol, yes, our corporation funds it - with MONEY.

Your hate for corporations is clouding your logic. Why don't you get a job in a corporation and give it a try?
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can I walk in there and use your workshop.. Watch You say no..
There needs to be one for Society..
and yes since Your company helped You out.. You got Lucky! You are a lucky Lucky Person compared to other people..

I sware to god when I speak Advancement and Reality You speak Money and Man made Logic
Especially when You say My logic is Clouded You are quit Literally Blind

all you do is duck doudge and weave to keep the little guy down.. Humanity needs to make Labs and other tools for the little guys..
Its so ****** hard for you to spend a little money into improving our society.. You see money as everyone salvation but it is not when you dont have any.. can they step in and use your resources to make the idea come to life for humanity's advancement..
all You care about is your foolish Rich stick of idiocy when you need to learn..

Money is Common core.. 2+2 Equal 5 to you and you literally beleave in it.. You have it wraped around inside your mind so tight your mind is warped into never thinking it out and never understanding it the right way.. you understand it to force it to work and you force feed it to the population aswell.. saying its the right thing to do when you cant even spend a brain cell to understand how wrong it is..

My logic is Correct You keep saying Your logic is Correct! Whos Logic is Correct? You will Fool and Deceive Yourself into Believing Your man made Logic of Common core is Correct when I Know I am Correct and Reality Science and Research will back ME Up!

*A Metal Knight Gauntlet flops to the ground and sits on the floor challenging him* Excentris - Pick up the gauntlet.. You going to defend your monopoly game of unreality and watch me use Science Research and reality to pick it apart..

Let me start right now.. Your next Generation.. Your kids.. There going to live in the same BS.. The Kids after that Same BS.. Cell phones Nothing Really New Same BS.. Next Generation Same Bs.. Nothing New.. Live in the same world You grew up in.. Only Difference is it will be the Improved Version.. half assed aswell when it can be 1000% better by Quality and Work instead of Your Friendly Corporation doing 20% Advancements for money.. When it can be 200% More.. Do You think its going to last another 3 Generations.. I guess you dont give a damn about your great great great grand children.. Seeing as you love your money so much and fool yourself into believing there is no other way

Let Me prove it..
Why is there 5500 MHZ Ram ddr5 on a Graphics card and they serve you up 2200 MHZ Ram on sticks that go into the mother board called DDR3..
|Lame foolish Fart to the face..

This is an Atrocity.. Caused by Greedy Corporatism Fools who just want money.. 5500 MHZ DDR5 on GFX card vs 2200 MHZ ram stick into the computer.. So Obvious.. and watch you blind yourself again to the truth..
5500 MHZ DDR5 RAM in the GFX card.. 2200 MHZ ram.. Ram stick DDr3
There is no explaining this.. I know how CHIPS in a computer work like the back of my hand..

3 Processes to Refine Petroleum when only the best of the best should exist.. and the premium is not much more complicated or time consuming them the basic.. they actually charge more to the fact that they have three methods to refine fuel when it would save people money if there was a large quantity of premium.. just like they use to put lead in the gas to make it bulky for money.. guess they unleaded it.. they actually add a processes to it to make it less value.. You have to be smart as to figuring out why having three types of gas makes premium more expensive ware as just having premium makes it quite the same as basic fuel.. and basic fuel.. ruins your engine.. sware to god your friendly corporation wants you to ruin your engine.. so you have to buy another car.. Sware to god everything is keyed around against the little dog to make it continue to consume poison so it can never grow up.. and they tool it around to make sense to people like you because they learn up in collage and flip ya over while there at it..
EdgeUcate Yourself and Sharpen Your Sword of Knowledge instead of believing in lies and BS Blindly..
1500 year old dark age System made by some Government should be called the act or bill of Money so you understand that its just a system.. liek Obama care.. You can Replace it with Better Logic.. More Intelligent logic.. are you dumb enough to believe that humanity is not smart enough to come up with a more intelligent way.. You would be Blind again to Believe that..
I have not even used Science yet.. Just Research and Reality
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just like they use to put lead in the gas to make it bulky for money.. guess they unleaded it.. they actually add a processes to it to make it less value.. You have to be smart as to figuring out why having three types of gas makes premium more expensive ware as just having premium makes it quite the same as basic fuel.. and basic fuel.. ruins your engine.. sware to god your friendly corporation wants you to ruin your engine..


I think you need to give this a little more study - I could explain it for you but I can't understand it for you.

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can I walk in there and use your workshop.. Watch You say no..

NO. But again I say - why don't you get a job in a corporation and use their Lab? That's what I did - and that's how I got my patents.

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Let me start right now.. Your next Generation.. Your kids.. There going to live in the same BS.. The Kids after that Same BS.. Cell phones Nothing Really New Same BS.. Next Generation Same Bs.. Nothing New.. Live in the same world You grew up in.. Only Difference is it will be the Improved Version.. half assed aswell when it can be 1000% better by Quality and Work instead of Your Friendly Corporation doing 20% Advancements for money.. When it can be 200% More.. Do You think its going to last another 3 Generations.. I guess you dont give a damn about your great great great grand children.


Actually, I hope my grandkids (and beyond) do get to live in the same world that I grew up in. And I expect the SP500 companies to play a HUGE part in their lives. And it appears that my 18 and 20 year-old grandsons are going into engineering.

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all you do is duck doudge and weave to keep the little guy down.. Humanity needs to make Labs and other tools for the little guys..


OK, what is it that the little guy wants to invent that I can't invent inside a corporation? Perpetual motion? Antigravity? Time Machine? There is no such thing as a free lab, someone has to build it and Humanity has to pay for it - and in my opinion, that's no problem. Tn terms of your dreaded dollar, the income of the USA, based on a 40-hour week, is over a Billion per hour. (that's what you & I send to the IRS every year). I don't mind spending one hour of Humanity's income on a "free" lab.

Here's Money thought for you - if you hate money, why not fight fire with fire? Go out and earn a couple million so that money is no longer a constraint for you - you'll be free to do as you please for the rest of your life. I think people over-estimate the difficulty of becoming wealthy, earning & saving a couple million is not really as tough as people make it.
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Money is Dunce to me.. I dont even need it.. Human Advancement is more Important to me..
I want my Children to live in a smart advancing world ware advancing one self is Free Knowledge and Advancement is there goal instead of self wealth.. in an ever changing world..

He does not want the Commoner to have Labs and Machine Technology to create Technology from such as advancements and inventions probably because he is afraid that the commoner will find out how cheep stuff is compared to the hyped and trumped up prices when they just make it themselves..

He does not want you to have access to Tools Easy he wants you to try and join a Corporation that wont hire you.. instead of making the tools ready available to the public cuz its wealth to him.. and its not wealth to give access to the public easy when its advancement

He would Rather You go to Collage to be an Engineer like him because he does not see it as advancement of his world or himself but as wealth.. and if You learn yourself you will be 5x better then him rather then being taught you would learn to experiment and apply physics in your mind to go beyond this guy..

This guy does not think that Humanity can come up with a more logical smarter way then money..
Science Research and Reality rule him..

He prefers Wealth over advancement!

Whatever he is Designing and Engineering and selling to me.. I could make 2 or 4x Better and build it for 25% the cost.. EZPK

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Your Planet is going into a state of doomed.. there is a couple of options like underpasses for the deer and also lights to tell u something is on the road..
But yet again Corporation which is the big man on the planet who needs to help care take for it seeing as they cause so much unnecessary pollution or government needs to throw down on these underpass

Your planet needs to be plan.. Plan Your Planet.. Plan it or get extinct..

No body will pay for these things they expect the little commoner to pay when everyone behind corporations are rich enough.. You are no longer in a democracy you are in a Corporatism..

Nobody wants to foot the bill and the Civilians are not capable or rich enough to foot the bill anymore as the weight of the world is placed on there shoulders to much and once the corporation grows large enough they have the strongest shoulders to hold that world up but they opt the F out.. and walk away as people other then themselves hold this world on there back..

Soon the Deer will be Extinct due to this factor that no one will pick up the Requirements..
Insurance gets so much money from you paying insurance for your car.. they get more then they are suppose to.. quite literally overpay that nonsense.. something tells me if they only got enouugh they would be the ones gearing things around to make sure they are not needed to make sure you are not running into deer..

What do they tell you? just run into the deer and we will pay you your half assed check.. less money then you have payed in unless you just got your car and got unlucky and that's not always the case..

If i have been paying Insurance for 3 years They have enough money to pay for my car and they usualy give me a half assed check thats 1/3erd what I payed in anyways..

Insurance would convince you to run into something with the divine spark of life something priceless to save your own ass.. why does it matter you got into a wteck and your car that you need is messed up now because you avoided the deer saved its life and happened to get into a wreck anyways and guess what its natural reaction to avoid the deer..

thing is I avoided the deer several times saving its life and my car.. like tons of times.. they want me to all ways hit them.. What for a half assed check at the cost of a deers life..

In order to make sure this never happens anymore there should be the underpass.. a fence to tell the deer to go to the underpass and there would be several of them.. and also road lights to say there are things on the road like bikers.. bikers will also be protected from big cats by the fence Ffs the cats love to chase something fast..

If every single man and woman dont start doing EVERYTHING in there power to start taking care of this world and worry about what is IMPORTANT instead of Wealth... You will die...

If you dont start doing something now it will be to late.. You need to stop doing things AFTER the fact and do them BEFORE the full effects BEFORE the line of no return
And I guess the car that hits planet earth will be to worried about its insurance money wrather then avoid hitting earth!

You are Consuming Wealth at the cost of Your own Live's.. Do You think you will Survive without the Biodiversity of this planet.. Do You Understand what this means..
Next generation is going to barely scrape by and not even notice it..
You are consuming Wealth at the cost of Yourselves.. humanity is consuming wealth at the cost of Humanity..
Soon Your Wealth is going to mean jack all... when you drool for a peace of venison..
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Whatever he is Designing and Engineering and selling to me.. I could make 2 or 4x Better and build it for 25% the cost


I know lots of people who do exactly that, my relatives are farmers, they invent lots of things and build them themselves. Lots of farm equipment is built exactly in that manner - and often a homemade machine is given to a manufacturing company so that they can streamline it and build it on a production line (usually one of those dreaded corporations that you hate, lol)

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there is a couple of options like underpasses for the deer and also lights to tell u something is on the road..
But yet again Corporation which is the big man on the planet who needs to help care take for it seeing as they cause so much unnecessary pollution or government needs to throw down on these underpass


We have those all over the West - Idaho, Wyoming, Ariz, Utah - I'm surprised that you haven't seen them. Either an underpass with fences to funnel deer/elk - or low places in the fences with jump rails for an easy jump, plus a solar powered deer/elk crossing sign. Your dreaded corporations build them for the state governments.

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If i have been paying Insurance for 3 years They have enough money to pay for my car and they usualy give me a half assed check thats 1/3erd what I payed in anyways..


If a 16 to 18 year old adolescent male shows up with a new $30,000 4WD SUV and wants you to cover it for him, how much would you charge him? You can look up the stats and see what the chances are that he'll get in a collision. Plus he won't be parking it inside his garage every nite by 8:00P like I do, he'll be parking at the Night Spots where he'll get bumped, fender benders in the parking lot at closing time, or maybe it will get stolen and end up in Mexico. In other words, chances are pretty good that the insurer is going to almost pay for that $30k car in the next 3 yrs.
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hahaha the 30 000 dollar suv that costs 4000 dollars to produce on an automated line resources and everything else...
Hmmmm And I am overestimating..

Every time you turn around corporation is bitch slapping you in the face with rat bastard tactics and everybody tolerate it even though its the wrong thing to do both ways.. There not honorable.. There is no Honer or Quality.. there is just the lust for money..

You know just to make sure no one gets jipped out of there hard earned money.. or there ideas for humanity.. and everyone is working for a better world.. all these company's should be Civilian owned and Operated.. No more 6 different types of Computers.. No More Over Pricing Bullshit.. no more shoving the little guy into the ground..
Oh and hey.. No more golden age for the wealthy and no more servants.. You Enslave Humanity with Money.. You also Mess progress up doing it aswell.. the peopkle who have the money to advance humanity sit on there lazy ass.. while all the little money servants cant do jack to advance..humanity or themselves..
you all live under IDIOCRACY
You even blind yourself to the truth Idiocracy AGAIN while this force with this rusty little dagger swoops around humanity.. the forces name.. Descension into the void.. and its also extinction.. and it will stab humanity in the gut.. and Humanity will feel pain because of this nonsense..
Your children are the ones who are going to have to deal with it IF YOU DO NOTHING AT ALL ABOUT IT NOW!
DO YOU BLIND YOURSELF TO THE FACT? ARE YOU IDIOTIC ENOUGH TO BLV THAT IT WONT HAPPEN! IT IS ALL READY HAPPENING RIGHT NOW!!!
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so can I make a living without using the system of Money?
(Your Response is No)
There is Your gun to Your head..

Honestly You ignore the fact that Your Race is going to die.. You guys are so blind its so absurd to me how Idiotic it is..
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I do believe we live in a free and Capitalist society where consumers have choices on what products they buy and CEO's can make profits. No ones holding a gun to their heads. No way in heck I'm going to live in a Socialist/Communist society. We can all watch Gov't TV, which would be so exciting, all drive the same car and have no incentive to achieve anything. You must think then it's fair to pay the same wage for a brain surgeon as it is for a burger flipper... God, I would never want my child to grow up in your ideal world.

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so can I make a living without using the system of Money?
(Your Response is No)
There is Your gun to Your head..

Honestly You ignore the fact that Your Race is going to die.. You guys are so blind its so absurd to me how Idiotic it is..


I can but choose not too. Why would I want to, so your wrong again. LOL I cannot fathom the world your attempting to create.

Ronald Reagan once noted the basic difference between Democrats and Republicans. “Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July,” he said. “Democrats believe every day is April 15th.”
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IF you got 2 more dollars an hour for flippin hamberger or 2 dollars less for calculator and sitting on your bum.. what would you rather do.. be honest.. i would rather be at the calculator myself
Oh and uh.. Yes.. He was forced to take the job or he would be on the streets and other jobs wont accept him...


Did you copy and paste this from your posting early? There is a big difference between a brain surgeon then a burger flipper. I shouldn't have to explain that.

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I am trying to create a world better then the one you live in..
Reality Research and Science would even back me up..
I hope that You are not idiotic enough to Believe this is the best it can be.. if you do believe that you are a total dunce hat foolish idiotic child

and your a total idiot for editing what i said..
I said Finance manager and Hamburger flipper.. Dont put words in my mouth fool

It is time for Humanity and You to grow up.. Monopoly is an old boring Dunce game.. Thats all it is.. Monopoly game of man made logic.. and you idiots continue to perpetuate it off the idea there is no other way.. and there is no other option... YOU ARE WRONG.. REALITY KNOWS DIFFERENT THEN THIS IDIOTIC NONSENSE.. REALITY SAYS THERE IS OTHER OPTIONS RESEARCH AND SCIENCE KNOWS THERE IS.. it is so obvious.. And You Know there is another option.. deep down inside your mind You KNOW.. THere IS.. Another Option.. You just act like an idiot

Money is a Pyramid scheme of Dunce Core Common Core..

Humanity would chop of its own leg to get some wealth.. Involuntarily not even knowing what it is doing..
Do You not have a shred of wisdom to listen to my logic.. Science and Research are the Key!
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I am trying to create a world better then the one you live in..
Reality Research and Science would even back me up..
I hope that You are not idiotic enough to Believe this is the best it can be.. if you do believe that you are a total dunce hat foolish idiotic child

and your a total idiot for editing what i said..
I said Finance manager and Hamburger flipper.. Dont put words in my mouth fool

It is time for Humanity and You to grow up.. Monopoly is an old boring Dunce game.. Thats all it is.. Monopoly game of man made logic.. and you idiots continue to perpetuate it off the idea there is no other way.. and there is no other option... YOU ARE WRONG.. REALITY KNOWS DIFFERENT THEN THIS IDIOTIC NONSENSE.. REALITY SAYS THERE IS OTHER OPTIONS RESEARCH AND SCIENCE KNOWS THERE IS.. it is so obvious.. And You Know there is another option.. deep down inside your mind You KNOW.. THere IS.. Another Option.. You just act like an idiot

Money is a Pyramid scheme of Dunce Core Common Core..

Humanity would chop of its own leg to get some wealth.. Involuntarily not even knowing what it is doing..


Sir, either you stop calling people idiots, fools and dumb or I remove your account from this forum and ban you. We can all have our own opinions here and can express them without calling names. Adhere or your gone.

As for your comment on the burger flipping thing, I simply replied to your post, without editing anything. So be accurate when you accuse someone of something.

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You wont even consider the Option that You are proven wrong.. You just sit and defend idiot system monetary..
You need to Listen to Logic.. Science and Research
You afraid that Reality will kick Money Arse when Science and Research steps in? be a Genius and say You want Science and Research to step in.. Monetary will run away so fast when the research computer and scientist come out..

Money is Circular man made Logic.. and you even give yourself the run around to believe in it..

I even have a Transit system up and I bet You dont even want to build it.. Because monetary has an Advancement cap on you... You cant even advance because of your system.. hahahah Humanity has already chopped of its arm because its to afraid to advance because it costs to much money.. You replaced that chopped off arm with the strong arm of money.. and humanity is afraid to use it because it shrinks.. and it also makes you super critical of failure.. to afraid to try 255 times because it shrinks to much.. hahahahaaha and the Cool Scantest who made that light bulb.. slaps you in the face.. that strong arm of monetary.. makes humanity weak minded..
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The Golden Chains -
Monetary Is Your and Humanities Personal Chains..
You Think just because you are rich you have escaped those chains?
These chains stop a program or application from being the best it can be..
These chains stop a Technology from being the best it can be...
THe quality of Devices is within the ranges of 30% to 50% as good as it could be..
Every time you only have a certain amount of money to spend on a research project and if that research project fails and requires 10 tries or more or less even.. if you fail just once to research something like a new technology or a cure or anything.. You dont have another try.. and that technology is dunced away out of your minds as impossible tell someone else tries.. DUMB.. DUNCE.. BS
Let me explain this simple for you

Thomas Edison - "I had to try more then 200 times to invent the light bulb. but if I lived in your day and age under your. what you call common sense. The light bulb would have never been invented."

Excentris - You have entered into the NEW DARK AGE. Calling it the Depression just proves it . and monetary is one of the causes..
Look around.. Use your awareness. Use Your Mind. You will see all of the Descension to your Race.

Descension (DE - Sen - Sion) The Opposite of Ascension..

Do You want Your Children or Yourself to live in this kind of Dark Age.. Your kids would say no..

We must Ascend out of this dark age with Science and Research. Change EVERYTHING..
BReak the chains that are holding Humanity and the Individual back.. To make an Advancing Golden age..

And there is more

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Edison was a very good (and rich) capitalist who wisely used corporate labs to perfect his light bulb. I thought you hated Big Business and rich inventors?

You mentioned perfecting your electric cars. Do you realize that Hybrid cars run entirely from gasoline? The batteries are not 'plugged in' overnite, the ONLY external power comes from a gasoline engine. Same with electric plug-in cars, they derive their power from coal-fired power power plants. Again, same pollution, just a different location.
So if you want to Ascend in the name of Humanity, you need to stop burning gasoline (and other fossil fuels). You are simply IMPROVING gasoline powered cars, the goal is to ELIMINATE gasoline cars.

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Edison was a very good (and rich) capitalist who wisely used corporate labs to perfect his light bulb. I thought you hated Big Business and rich inventors?
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This just proves my point further more.. the only reason why you got the technology is because it did not try to come from a poor man.. What if he did not have those resources..
He would be Thanking me and god if My Inventor Laboratory's were in play then.. A place ware he could go and Invent the Light bulb with the tools scientists have available to em.. There could be people trained to use those tools for them if there dangerous or for any other reason..
Oh and hey it does 2 things.. Creates jobs.. Oh damn jobs.. and also Creates PROGRESS AND ADVANCEMENT!

Why are you afraid of The Population having Free access to the tools they need to help progress our race.. forget about getting some job with some company.. they just walk into the inventors laboratory work shop.. sign a waver and contract.. and invent away as simple as that.. Hassle free and fun.. no bullshit hoops..

You Think Money is Super Man? let it defend itself against science and research You wont give up on defending money. even if it saved your life and it would.

Watch money melt away in your hand and even burn your hand to debt before you can even use it to support your life..

Watch money melt away in the mind's of all once scientific fact is presented with plenty of research!


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(monetary) It is Your First system and you guys act like its perfect.. God gave me free will and I would like to live under a different set of rules.. You Force me like I am your bitch slave.. to play this retarded monopoly game..
Stop being blind to the error of your ways and if you are not blind to the error of your ways stop coping with it like its the F*** ok.. you guys dont realize how much of an atrocity this is..
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I don't COPE with the monetary system, I UTILIZE it. It isn't that difficult to live an interesting fulfilling life, raise some fine children, retire comfortably - and enjoy accumulating a couple million dollars along the way. In the US (and MT) we have that opportunity - sadly, in many other nations of this world, this monetary system is NOT available and there is poverty, people living in huts, they can't even imagine the wonderful life that is available to you in MT.

You complain about not having a Lab to work in - most of my inventions were developed at my desk. It doesn't require a Cray computer to formalize a CONCEPT, that can be done with a hand-calculator & a sketch pad. In fact, I prototyped one invention with the cardboard from a toilet paper roll, I connected 2 small alternators end-to-end, slid them into the TP tube, put a small turbine on the front, arranged it so that I could rotate the magnets so that the 'cogging' added or cancelled. So I could dial in the start-up torque to match the airspeed of a missile. Of course, on my patent application i didn't use the 'toilet paper'" terminology, lol.
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I am sick of this crap man its like you guys dont even listen.. i dont feel like playing childish games.. its my existence its my awareness and my experience.. you guys need to start listening to what i am telling you.. I dont care if you want to play monetary i dont.. i am done with the retarded game.. you need to pay attention to what i am saying.. I WANT OTHER OPTIONS!!! How many times do i have to say I want other options..

You Dont realize how bad it is do ya.. every step of the way is this little rake that comes up and slaps you in the face.. Humans are not even humans anymore are they.. you are just animals who want money.. its totally evil what you are doing for it to.. taking advantage of the little guy every step of the way..

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You cannot force anyone to listen to you, you have a voice and just because you yell loudly doesn't make your opinion right. Your opinion is yours to live with and so is mine. Doesn't make either correct, it's what you believe in. God has never let me down and so I continue to follow him. I don't agree with your theories and that's that. Just as Old Guy stated, we live in the richest country in the world. Our 99% is better off then most of the world combined.

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quote: You Dont realize how bad it is do ya.. every step of the way is this little rake that comes up and slaps you in the face.. Humans are not even humans anymore are they.. you are just animals who want money.. its totally evil what you are doing for it to.. taking advantage of the little guy every step of the way..



I've looked back over most of your 60+ posts, so far you have never suggested anything. You whine about how much you hate money and how much you love Humanity and Love For all. But you'll need to be more specific, so far all we know is that you dislike the monetary system. What do you wish for/ And, no, love & humanity is NOT an answer.

As for taking advantage of the little guy - huh? Every engineer that has worked for me over the past jillion years seemed happy at their jobs, happy with the assignments that I gave them, happy with vacation and benefits - I'm pretty sure no one felt like they were being taken advantage of.

BTW, what do you do - do you have a job in Montana? Go to school? How old - teenager? adult? retiree?
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Do You not have an Ear to here when I speak

USE SCIENCE AND RESEARCH TO FIND MULTIPLE NEW WAYS
I can come up with Plenty of ways... and you guys will have to work out the systems little flaws..
MONETARY IS NOT THE ONLY WAY..
RESEARCH AND SCIENCE I HAVE SAID IT LIKE 40 TIMES.. A few Scientists gather round a computer they BRAINSTORM..
It is 100% Possibility that they will find new ways..
THIS DAY AND AGE YOU CAN SIMULATE THE HUMAN RACE ON EARTH ON A COMPUTER JUST FINE AND APPLY RULES AND REMOVE THE RULE MONETARY IN AN EFFORT TO SEEK NEW WAYS

READ MY WORDS AS HARD AS YOU CAN THERE ARE OTHER WAYS THROUGH RESEARCH!!!

I would not mind being a part of that Research team to figure it out.. it would be marry Christmas time for every human being on earth..
There are thousands of flaws in monetary and i see each and every one of them.. Bringing this to your attention should bring you to the conclusion that US HUMANS are smart enough to RESEARCH a more smooth process.. I have all ready explained some of the problems we are dealing with in this Topic..
LET ME LIST THEM FOR YOU AGAIN
PRODUCTS ARE HALF A$$ED
SERVICES ARE HALF A$$ED
QUALITY IS HALF A$$ED
RESEARCH IS HALF A$$ED AND SOME GOOD TECHNOLOGIES ARE PASSED UP
ADVANCEMENT IS HINDERED WAY TO MUCH
OVER PRICED BS
6 TYPES OF COMPUTERS AND MAL MANAGEMENT AND MISSUS OF RESOURCES
MAL MANAGEMENT AND MISUSE OF ENERGY BEYOND COMPREHENSION!
EXTINCTION OF SPECIES ON EARTH
POLLUTION OF OUR PLANET THAT IS TO EXPENSIVE TO FIX BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO FOOT THE BILL
AND THERE ARE A TON OF CRIMES THAT MONEY INFLUENCES AS WELL AS EFFECTS AND MANIPULATIONS I COULD GO ON FOREVER LISTING THESE THINGS
PROSTITUTION
BRIBERY
BULLSHIT PRODUCTS AND BUYING MUTIBLE OF THE SAME EXACT THING LIKE the 6 DIFFERENT COMPUTER ORDEAL. (XBOX PLAYSTATION PC)
MIRAGES THAT FALL APART BECAUSE OF MONEY IN MUTABLE WAYS.. ONE BECAUSE MONEY DRIVES A WEDGE BETWEEN THEM..
AND IT GETS MORE HANUS AND INFAMOUS THEN THIS.. THERE IS SOMETHING THAT I DONT EVEN WANT TO TALK ABOUT AS IT WOULD PSYCHOLOGICALLY DISTURB YOU..

HUMANITY IS HAVING PROBLEMS AND WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO FIX THOSE PROBLEMS AND EVERY SINGLE TINY LITTLE DETAIL NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED STUDIED AND RESEARCH NEEDS TO BE APPLIED
Or we are going to get covertly SCREWED OVER AND STAGNATE.. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT STAGNATION IS.. WE NEED TO ACT NOW BEFORE ITS TO LATE AND STOP LULING ARE SELF IN A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY

SCIENCE AND RESEARCH NEW WAYS
SCIENCE AND RESEARCH NEW WAYS
SCIENCE AND RESEARCH NEW WAYS
SCIENCE AND RESEARCH NEW WAYS!!!!!!!!!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND? D YOU UNNNDDERR STAAANNNNDD!!!!!!!!!!!!
LETS THROW DOWN
BET YA A MILLION DOLLARS WE COULD COME UP WITH A NEW WORLD WIDE WAY WITH SCIENCE AND RESEARCH THAT WORKS BETTER THEN MONETARY MAKING MONETARY OBSOLETE which it is Obsolete .. HAHAHAHAH WHAT DA YA HAVE TA LOSE CUZ IF I WIN.. MONEY IS USELESS THATS WHAT YOU ARE AFRAID OF!
PROVE ME WRONG!!! DO YA FEEL LUCKY.. FEEL LIKE ITS YOUR LUCKY DAY
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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1st. You can't use 100% and "Possibility" at the same time. Are you saying it's guaranteed or a possibility?

That asside, you can't get rid of all monetary systems unless you get rid of individual variable wealth. In other words, some people have more wealth than another. And you can't get rid of individual wealth, until you get rid of greed and selfishness. But in order to get rid of all that, you will take away all motivation to improve oneself. Individuals will not excel in their efforts if there's no reward. If their compensation is the same as the individual who produces little effort, then there's no individual motivation.

This is how it's been since the beginning when God created mankind and gave him free thought and free choice. A communistic society where everyone is equal in every aspect, does not work. It has been tried and it has always failed.

And it doesn't matter if you replace money as we know it with gems, oil, electricity, grain, water, etc. individuals need to motivation to succeed. That is why we have had the technological advances that we've had thus far. If there was no motivation to increase individual wealth, however that is measured, then there's no motivation to do more than anyone else.

There is only one problem with our current currency system. It is is no longer backed by a legitimate source of value. E.g. Gold or silver. As such, the government can simple print what they want. To increase debt, and to devalue the currency.

We don't need any science or research to explain this. Minus the last 50 years, the currency system has worked well for thousands of years. Currency is simply a portable and socially accepted means of transporting a representation of an individual's wealth. If today's currency was backed by something a true value, it would again be an accurate means of representing wealth. Just as it has since God created us. We don't need science and research to answer this. And sorry to say, but an open source technology research system where an individual's efforts and inventions are freely distributed with no reward or additional wealth given to the inventor, will not work. Effort and labor without reward is counter productive.
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I am going to do some epic damage on it right now

You know the Freedom of Information act that started the information age
The Freedom of Technology and Prototype Act
The Freedom of Research and Science act
and More the freedom of act..
FREEDOM!!!
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Sounds great. Now, what is the individual reward for the person who does all this work in your freedom of everything world? There has to be some payoff. People aren't going to go out of their way to do all this work if they don't have some sort of reward for it.
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Research and Science bud
It will answer all your questions..

I could come up with a way..
You could start life off at the age of 18 and gain tier one.. and you gain a car to go out and find a task to do.. You get letters in the mail recruiting you for tasks based on your skills and attributes.. You pick a task or go find your own task to do.. your work is documented.. and eventualy you reach tear two.. tear two could be access to things like this or that.. at tear three you could have one computer. And You start getting Emails for tasks. and you could sign up some paper work to be able to get a second one if you want.. and this ONE PC will be Xbox and PlayStation and Dream cast everything. in this system you can free train to become more skilled and effective at other tasks. HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE RIGHT HERE..

Or you can have a system based on paperwork.. You just do jobs... if you want something you are set at a limited amount of items..
Nobody needs to have 16 computers..

You need to get with reality.. These are just some examples..
Work is Obviously key.. Listen to my words when I speak
Super glorious RESEARCH and SCIENCE will find multiple new ways
All it takes is a little extra effort to perfect the new system.. You are acting like money is the only way and like it is super man.. You need to stop.. And consider the Consequences of your path.. You need to listen to the wisdom even you would Dispense on someone.. When something is Faulty, Malfunctioning, old and Obsolete.. You need to Replace it with the New..
Super glorious RESEARCH and SCIENCE will find multiple new ways
YOU know it to be true.. You can not deny my logic..
SCIENCE AND RESEARCH! is the way to the truth and what you seek.. Answers!
Still betting you a Million bucks on that fact..
World Wide Implementation! or just the united states would work but the influence of money would be incompatible.. Like using Macintosh with windows..
Kind of funny that I Mention that.. You know those people who made those citys and tried to become self sustaining.. Macintosh was all around and they tried running windows under it.. did not work out for them for that reason..
RESEARCH AND SCIENCE.. I am going to say this over and over again because Research and Science are Infallible when based on reality.. Which money is not reality.. it is man made logic..

Monetary is like this sword. we used are minds long ago to create this weapon against Descension and now [Descension {(Problems) the Opposite of Ascension}] is taking hold and the weapon is tired warped and warn.. it is time to throw the sword of Monetary down Remember it and Use are minds to Create a new Weapon against Descension.. Science and Research in this Modern day can create the Ultimate Weapon only for so long.. but eventually that weapon will also grow old warped and ruined. to the new descensions that arise . Head my Advice!
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You're the one fixated that money MEANS a piece of paper or metal coin. Money can mean the credits you're speaking of. Do "x" amount of work and you get a reward such as a car, computer, etc. all of these are forms of payment. There is no difference between that form of payment or reward and using paper or coins that you save up and trade for that car or computer.

There is absolutely no difference in your version of payment/reward and current payment/reward. They both accomplish the exact same thing. It's a reward/payment a person receives as compensation for labor. Either mental or physical labor. The ONLY negative with today's version of money, is that it's not backed by a tangible item of value. And the reason it needs to be backed by something of value, is to remind people that it's finite and not unlimited. Thus, printing money and devaluing the currency.

This is basic finances and economics. It's been around since the beginning of time. It doesn't require science and research to find something better. That's like saying we need science and research to find a better way to walk or breath. No you don't. It's a natural act. Basic economics require a currency system to simply be a system that has a portable means of storage to represent an individual's value or worth based on tangible value. That's the only problem with the current system. It's inflated. It doesn't represent the true value of anything and therefor can be inflated and manipulated. We don't need science and research to fix this. We just need a standard again to make the currency have a true value instead of a manipulated one.

Your solutions can still allow the rewards/payments to be stolen, cheated, given away, etc. same as the existing system. There's no difference. I don't know why you believe science and research need to replace a natural system that has worked for more than 6000 years. Again, the only difference in today's currency system, is that over the last 40 years, currencies haven't been backed by something with true value representation. That can be fixed quite easily without the need of science and research. Other than the backing of currency with real value, your future reward/payment system doesn't accomplish anything. The only difference is your future society has everyone equal. The person cutting your grass provides labor that is worth the same thing as the person fixing your car or the doctor who fixes your broken arm. Therefor, if all labor is valued equally, then there's no need for payment. Everyone's labor is a contribution and shared equally. This is called Communism. And it doesn't work. The reason being, individuals will be less motivated to perform more difficult or more labor intensive tasks, if their reward/payment is going to be the same as the person performing easier task. If my rewards/payments are going to be identical if I flip burgers, cut lawns, work the counter at mini mart, etc. as it is to do 6 more years of school to become an engineer or doctor, and another 4 years of apprentice or some sort of intern/residency work, then why would I even consider that? Human nature and psychology is to gain the most reward with the least effort. That's why we invent the better mouse trap. But even with inventing, people aren't going to just give away their labor or intellectual efforts without some reward. That's why communism and your theory of a community can't work. It's been tried too many times with the exact same results.

Doing the same thing over again, and expecting different results, ........... You should know who said this.
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No, I truly don't know what you are talking about, if I started today to try to build your system, I have no idea about what to do or where to start. 5000 years ago, we traded grain and cattle for food, clothes, etc. We all did our own subsistence work, built our own shelter, grew/butchered our own meat, grew our own veggies, sewed our own clothes. Then someone noticed that some foklks were bad carpenters but great cattlemen, or great sewers - so they traded goods. But it became cumbersome to carry a bushel of grain around to trade for meat. So we invented a small convenient symbol for 'labor' - shells, coins, salt, etc. One coin = a bushel of grain, 3 coins = a horse, yada. That was major breakthru for society about 5000 yrs ago, and we liked so well that we stuck with it. Did you read Jekyll Island? That's where the US went to formalize our US Monetary system in about 1911. The other 200 nations of the world made similar systems.

quote: I could come up with a way..
You could start life off at the age of 18 and gain tier one.. and you gain a car to go out and find a task to do.. You get letters in the mail recruiting you for tasks based on your skills and attributes.. You pick a task or go find your own task to do.. your work is documented.. and eventualy you reach tear two.. tear two could be access to things like this or that.. at tear three you could have one computer. And You start getting Emails for tasks. and you could sign up some paper work to be able to get a second one if you want.. and this ONE PC will be Xbox and PlayStation and Dream cast everything. in this system you can free train to become more skilled and effective at other tasks. HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE RIGHT HERE..



Come up with a way?? You're about 60 years behind, I already did all that.
When I was age 18 in 1957 did almost exactly what you talk about. Got a job, bought a 10-yr-old Ford, got letters suggesting that I could be a good engineer, accepted me in a college. After graduation, companies recruited me based on skills and attributes, I selected a company that had the kind of tasks that I wanted (tier 2). I worked on the Space Programs, Missile Design, Smart Bomb design/testing. Started getting letters (email wasn't invented yet) offering me jobs in my field (tier 3) "I can free train to become more skilled and effective at other tasks". Ie, HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE RIGHT HERE.
Except that I never got the 'Xbox and PlayStation' - lol - aren't you getting a little old for that?? Are you in high school?
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Old guy. I'm not quite as old as you, but I am old enough to remember the "communes" of the 60's here in the USA and similar in other countries. My sister lived in a commune and met her husband there. Even they realized after some years, that it wasn't an efficient system.

This is exactly what I see the OP's system of society as trying to be. It's simply not a viable system. It's been tried numerous times throughout history. Even today's American Amish realize that they need to allow individuals to achieve more individual wealth in order to maintain individual motivation. Without the ability to better oneself based on quantitative productivity, there is no motivation to do so. Maybe when we all move on to our next life in heaven or wherever, and we aren't constrained by human nature, it would be possible. But our creator made us this way for a reason. And part of being human, vs being angelic or some other heavenly species, is to be able to reap the "fruits of our labor". It's a learning process that is innate to humanity. We don't live in a world like Star Trek and the "Federation of Planets".

Now, if the OP wasn't spouting God and love for humanity, and was totally secular in his position, I could probably understand his position more than we need to "evolve" more. But you are correct. His position is definitely a step backwards to a state of society that is actually less beneficial for society and humanity. If it wasn't for capitalism and the motivation of increased individual wealth, society wouldn't have the technology or advancements in medicine and science that we have today. We'd still be living in a world with more disease and less efficient and productive methods.
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You dont spend Tiers old guy.. You just work for higher tears and you work to keep your tears up..
Its totaly different.. that is your best argument that its the same.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You guys need to stop acting liike Money is Super man..
Science and Research a new way! You think its a step backwords then stop being a P***** and use Science and Research to make something better.. I mean honestly the motivation is there..
You keep spouting money is super man money is super man money is superman
Money is getting your race KILLED.. It is no longer a source of ADVANCEMENT AND TECHNOLOGY .. was back in the day but it is not anymore.. Before you say crap use your mind to counter yourself.. Seriously.. Come up with a GOOD argument.. Sick of the Simple minded Reasons.. Money is not superman.. its man made logic.. Killin ya next generations.. Humanity is Taking advantage of humanity with Monetary..
Research and science will prove your argument for monetary wrong every time tell the end of time..
because the scientist is smart!
I dont want to hear you Cry for Monetary un tell you read every single post I have put in here.. Because i dont feel like saying the same thing twice.. Seams like you dont pay attention to every single detail of what I type! You man mad Circular logic is and you keep using that to defend money.. My Logic against it is all around it and is air tight now..
Money is Un Reality

Staring shapeless shadows, under the sky of hallow
Between a calm and thunder, beginning of this plunder
This could be our last trip. Last challenge of our race.
Hear our voices, screaming out your name
Devastation. Stagnation..
Feels like endless journey, has started in this night and rain
Fearing, you're holding
the Keys of destruction
No feelings, no sympathy
I am chasing your shadows
Staring shapeless shadows, under the sky of hallow
I won't ever stop the fight, this time we will survive

Unreality, that's what you believe
Too blind to see, the missing key
Until it all will be too late
Unreality, like immortality
Your end is nigh, it will be done
We are here to claim what we have won


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Between a calm and thunder, beginning of this plunder



Got to admit, that's a neat poem. Maybe your calling is poetry, not science? BTW, you should take a Physics class at your local community college, I think you would really enjoy it - and Physics would be a real eye-opener for you, it is a big part of explaining the workings of the world. (More fun than playing with your Xbox).
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You really can't be that ignorant to not understand the difference between a concept and a product. The concept of a refrigerator or dishwasher is good. If the pump goes out on the dishwasher, you don't say the concept of a dishwasher is bad. You repair the dishwasher. If the compressor goes out on the refrigerator, you don't say the concept of refrigerating food is bad. You repair the refrigerator.

Well genius, the concept of money is not bad. Ours just happens to be broken. It needs to be repaired. Don't tell me the concept of money is bad. Is does exactly what it's suppose to do. It's a portable representation of an individual's excess stored labor. It's a 3rd party barter system used in case the carpenter who wants to barter for food from a farmer, but the farmer has no need of any carpentry services at that moment, can use the money to barter with someone for something the farmer does need.

This could be done in a totally cashless society, as most people do anyway with debit, credit cards, and checks. But the "concept" is still exactly 100% the same as cash/money in your pocket. It's a representation of credit from excess labor, used to barter for goods and/services, at a future time.

What makes your idea (which you haven't actually given any true ideas other than spewing the mantra of Research and Scienc), that is better than money. A persons labor must be compensated for. If that individual produces more labor than they can exchange for needs/wants, then that excess compensation needs to have the ability to be stored for use at a later time. You don't work just enough hours per day to compensate you for that day's food, water, utility bills, etc. You work additional hours so the excess labor credited can be saved and accumulated for use later. Such as when you need a new pair of shoes that you wore out after a year. Or to repair that dishwasher that broke. Or to pay for a vacation to Hawaii so you can spend time with your family.

If there is no way to save up excess wealth for use later, and all labor compensation is reset and zero' out at the end of each day, then you also remove any motivation for individuals to better themselves and to promote higher productivity and efficiency.

The problem you're having is that you don't want to accept the fact that any alternative you come up with is STILL MONEY. Whether it's paper and coins, water, oil, bags of rice, utility credits, digital points in an account, or anything else you can dream of, it's STILL MONEY.

Again, the concept of money is fine. Just like the concept of a car or computer is fine. Does it need repair? Yes. Could it be made better? Yes. But trying to say the concept of money is bad, is totally ignorant. Ignorant because even in the most basic time in history when people bartered one on one, the items or services they were bartering was still MONEY. It was an individual's excess wealth that they could exchange for something else. The only difference in today's money, is that it's a 3rd party barter system that allows you to trade with another person who might not need something you tangibly possess or that they don't have a need for anything at the present and they want to store as their excess wealth for a later time.

All that needs to be done with the current money system, vs YOUR money system, (yes, your concept is STILL MONEY), is that the current system needs to be repaired so that it is an accurate representation of wealth and not a devaluation of wealth.

Of course, you'll argue back. We've seen your blindness to facts. You want a world where everyone's labor is valued equally. Where no one has wealth beyond that of their immediate needs. Your world has been tried so many times in the past. It can't work. It demotes productivity. It removes initiative for innovation and progress. It leads to resentment among society because some people work harder than others for the same exact compensation. That's why there's such resentment between those who work and those who abuse the welfare system and are compensated for doing nothing.

You are the one who doesn't understand. You are the ignorant one. Research and science are great things. I, and people like old guy, have been involved in such technological advances most of our lives. But research and science have no place trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. There is no problem with the concept of money. It doesn't need to be changed. It's been fine for 6000+ years. It simply needs to be repaired. And your commune type society is not the answer. It wasn't the answer the hundreds of times it's been tried in the past, and it's not the answer now. You're the one who needs to stop living in the past.
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Previous statements counter these statements.. Stop crying for moneys sake.. let it defend itself against science and research if its superman
and my models are Examples.. You want to repair Monetary.. why are you letting it get worse.. and it will happen again and again.. and it takes up man power.. it is a hindrance.. that is all

Let me add more tot he statements
You over stock shops with food that rots killing our planets biodiversity and Extra that is Unnecessary..
And you say I am ignorant.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Speaks My Poem all over again!
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There's nothing to defend. You keep preaching about God and humanity. Why not let research and science defend God to the atheists? You don't need science and research to defend that plants and animals need air and water to survive. You don't need science and research to defend individual motivation, love, hate, sadness, etc. all of these are natural. Can science prove them? To an extent, yes. Does science NEED to prove them? No, not at all. Even the most ignorant layman knows the cause and affect of happiness, sadness, love, hate, motivation, etc. you don't need a PhD to know that. Well, the same goes with "Excess Wealth".

It's common sense that if a creek runs through your land and it only rains part of the year and the creek dries up, that you store some of the excess water to use during the dry season. People didn't need science and research to tell them that. And no one needs science and research to prove that you need a means of storing your excess wealth that you accumulated from your excess labor. That's called money. You can describe it differently if you want to, but it's still money. If you want to discuss repairing the current syste, that's great. But to say the concept of storing excess wealth derived from excess labor, aka money, is bad, then you're out there.
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No Christ corp I keep Preaching about Research and Science.. I dont know ware you get that logic..
But once again I call forth all Previous Statements I have made before!

excess Cotton paper is Meaningless and you use up resources to store up worthless cotton paper.. You produce 6 variations of computers for cotton paper and make half assed products for cotton paper.. and you make 25% assed Upgrades for cottton paper stringing people along FOR GREED.. You could store the Energy and Resources you use up for greed so blindly and ignorantly instead!
Cotton paper is Unreality
Resources and Energy is REALITY!
Science and Research is EVENTUAL TRUTH!
Like a child you Dodge and Evade the truth.. Constantly and Annoyingly..
This Statement right here OWNS You This Whole topic OWNS you..
You should try to understand.. Instead of trying to prove me wrong with words! You have a big fat peace of cotton paper covering your eyes to the truth and you fight against it being removed!
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Zereous Excentris: To be Honest I have made my point perfectly clear and if you want to ignore me at the cost of humanity then uh.. pay the price,,
your race is spiraling towards Stagnation and Self Destruction.. eventually your progress is to slowed down and you begin to move backwords.. why.. Your resources are becoming limited.. You energy is going away.. Species are going Extinct Humanity is Stagnating and Your Planet is Dieing..
You need to Unlearn some of the BS you have learned and Learn up some more wisdom and Knowledge.. You need to see the truth behind the half truths..

and sorry littleroc02us I am just Aggravated.. i know you are not children or anything but sometimes in my mind I feel like iI am talking to such.. but You are right it is Ignorant of me to cuss at a child anyways.. Sorry about that we are all adults here..
I need some words that put power behind what I say so it can decrease my Rage..

Well You guys seam to think We can Fix monetary so lets Discussed that ..
Lets look at some of the problems.. Monetary Causes crime to happen Miss use of Resources and energy.. and Species to go Extinct aswell as not Methodicaly and Miticulessly managing this planet to make sure its Nice on the Terraform level
(Let Me Explain the Terraform level) - it is the level at which your planet as set.. (barren).. (Aired).. (Green),, (Diverse),, (Lush).. (A word for Higher Lush) and (Paradise) then (Eden)
You are reverse Terraform this planet from Lush to Diverse and for all i know it could be falling from diverse to green right about now.. We need to solve this Issue..
Lets fix the Crime.. Well this is one of the Problems of Monetary.. Spending Resources and Energy.. We have to apparently spend a lot of Resources man power and Energy into Fixing the Crime with Programs and Technology.. And Implementing this Programs and Technology will also cost Resources and Energy and Man power.. I would just sidestep the system we have for a new one deflating most crime caused by greed but that seams to not be a possible option in your head and I have no idea WHY!
Ok Next..
Resources and Energy.. We could Recycle but We need to apparently come up with cheeper ways which may only recycle 25% of the Resources or Energy instead of spending more money and Recycle 75% of those Resources.. That is going to cost Resources and Energy Esther way.. Hmmm I dont know..

What about Species going Extinct and the Planet going down in Terraform level .. WELL DARN MAN.. ITS GOING to COST you.. Resources man power and ENERGY.. GUESS YOU DON'T WANT TO!.. EVEN THOUGH THE ECO SYSTEM THE WORD ECO IS ECONOMY THE DARN PLANET IS YOUR ECONOMYSYSTEM
ECO = ECONOMY ECOSYSTEM!!!!!! I would once again just Side step the system for a new one but that again is SOMEHOW IMPOSSIBLE IN YOUR MIND!!

Speaking Impossible is Ignorance.. Research and Science to find a new way! that is my slogan for the year..

Allright so let the Discussion begin about Fixing Monetary..
I think the Ceo should be CEO of his Company but also be Owned by the Civilization Population.. The Ceo can still make Paramount choices to keep this going but it being Owned by Society makes sure that the Product is Highest Quality.. The Product being half assed is a greed crime in my oppinion and needs to be solved as it waists Resources and Energy..

We need to think outside of the Box Like the Obove Statement I have just made.. Sure its not perfect but Monetary is FAR from perfect.. Be Resourceful now!

Resources and Energy are Your (Favorite EXOTIC Gem Stone RULE)!(Like the Golden Rule)
(Exotic Gem Stone is like Diamond or Emerald or whatever Ruby I don't care)
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Zereous Excentris: As for New systems to humanity..
We could set up a food Allowance Point system.. Now it is my understanding that Communism is everything is free.. Now My system is a Bit of that but it does not Mean Exactly Free it means Free but Limited..
We can make this Point system Rule and let me Explain how
You are set and your wife is set and Your Child is set with a pre set monthly spending amount of points.. And you pay more points for a chicken or less points for Celery..
These points are not money they are an allowance and they can also be used to Calculate how Fat you are Getting and then if You are getting to many fat points.. Society Gives you work out points and you have to take a Exerting task (Which Reduce Fat points and work out points at a rate) or Work out to Remove the Work out points and the Fat points..

You can get extra food points at Request if you want to Bulk up fat for lean or bulk Muscle!

If he goes and Works out its not Useless as we Use Special Designed motors as Resistance to Generate Energy off of Him Working out... Also Calculating Your Work out points and fat points reduced ^.^
This is the way Humanity needs to think.. Outside of the Box..

(Resources and Energy being Your Favorite Exotic Gem Stone Rule.. We have to Design it to be as Light on Man Power, Resources and Energy as Possible!) We must Apply Intelligence!


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NONE of the problems that you listed in your diatribes are because of money. NONE!!! They are because of things like greed, arrogance, power over others, etc. None of this is because of money. Even the wealthiest people on the planet, don't care about the money. They care about POWER.

And people have been putting power over others, extorting the planet's resources, and touting their own arrogance since the beginning of time. And NONE of this has anything to do with money. For you to believe that all these problems will go away if we get rid of money, is pure crap. People have been causing these problems before the current currency system was ever invented. And they will continue to do so even if you completely get rid of the current monetary system. You remind me of the person who argues that if we ban ALL GUNS, then we will eliminate crime. Your theory on "Cause and Effect" is wrong. Money is not the problem to any of the things you listed above. Even without money, there will be those in a position of authority, who will use the system to benefit themselves. There will still be those who want control over others. There will still be those who want power. And there will still be those who extort people and resources to increase their power. Even in a communist society, that you've been promoting, the exact same things happen. That's why your make believe society, which has been tried before, is actually worse than the capitalist society that you hate so much.

You're a dreamer. That's good. We need dreamers. You believe in a make believe world where everyone get's along and has 100% mutual respect for each other. That is so cute. It's not reality. It's not realistic. It's not practical. And..... it's not possible. But keep dreaming. Especially if it makes you feal better.

Oh, and again, you can't use the words "100% and Possibility" in the same sentence to refer to the same thing. 100% means ABSOLUTE. Possibility means, the potential to happen OR NOT to happen. Thus, it CAN'T BE 100%.

I would also like to know if you'd be willing to answer Oldguy's question about your age. Not that I would have any less or more respect for your opinions. But it would allow me to better understand your perspective. Unless you were sheltered in an exclusively ultra-liberal environment, I find it hard that you can't comprehend the difference between the CONCEPT of money and the things you somehow believe are wrong with out planet, that you believe money has caused. We are talking about the most basic of Sociology principles. Principles that you don't need to have any college background to comprehend. Just life experience. So I'm curious if you're simply of the age where you don't have that much life experience. It's not personal, just trying to understand your perspective. And how you came about a distorted position where you associate 2 totally different things and somehow form a correlation between them. That's like talking about reducing drunk driving by eliminating the sale of peanut butter. They have nothing in common with each other. Power, Greed, Corruption, extortion, etc. are all "INDIVIDUAL PERSONAL TRAITS". Money is a tool that can help you expound and expand on these traits, but money isn't the cause of these traits. And the elimination of money won't eliminate these traits either. People will still seek power, greed, corruption, extortion, etc. Laws are what keeps civilization in check and give people equal opportunity and a level playing field. Not money or the lack of it.

But I'm totally with finding a way to fix the laws and fix the monetary system so that it is a more accurate representation of an individual's stored wealth. But you can't convince me that money is the root problems to all the problems you listed above. That's just wrong. And if you believe it is, then you are wrong. Normally I just disagree with individuals. I don't say they are "WRONG". It's simply one opinion vs another opinion. But there are some things in life that are simply true and false. Money isn't the cause of the problems you listed. Just like weapons aren't the cause of crime.
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So, in other words,. you want a society where the people have NO FREE WILL? They don't have the ability to choose for themselves. You want society to tell them what they can do, what they can eat, where they can go, etc. If I WANT to eat pizza and subs and you think I am TOO FAT, then you have the right as a society to stop me from eating certain things and force me to work out and lose weight?

Quite simply....... IF ANY of what I said is true, ANY OF IT, then you can take your entire "FUTURE WORLD" and keep it. Or shove it. What ever you prefer. I have no desire whatsoever to live in a world where I my choices are restricted. It's bad enough in today's world that there are some "Consequences" to decisions and actions. But you want to take away free will and free choice to decide for myself. I think the Nazi's and the communist tried this. You really do need to stop living in the past.
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Everything You are Talking about has to do with money.. money takes away your free will.. Everything else Probibly supported by what I have all ready said in this topic .. You need to stop pretending that money is superman..
My System would have more free qill based on the fact you can select your task based on your skill level and experience to gain tier points.. Tiers accessing the ability to get items and things to an Extent.. does not mean you can have a tv in every room of your house that you eventually get..
This can be all formulated to work perfectly.. But Science and Research may come up with a transcending way!
And I am not calling you fat I just made an Example option to prevent people from Getting fat they can eat whatever they want they can even request more allowance food points to an extent.. Read all of what I said again.. all of this can be formulated around by humanity to Optimum of saving resources and having an optimum effect.. People don't need to over eat.

Now stay on topic and Post about Fixing the Monetary system and make a good debate about it
Or talk about a new system Constructively instead of trying to destroy my view point and pretend that it is a fantasy because IT IS NOT..

You keep talking about make beleive world when science and research could create that world..
Apply that to Money next time you want to say it.. Money is make believe man made fantasy logic
Science and Research coming to a result and a conclusion is not Fantasy SIR!

You defend money like a hungry wolf.. You could put in intelligible Responses.. Like this is the Drawbacks and Advantages of this and Monetary has a Advantage and Draw back this way..
OR you can STOP CRYING a and stop posting if you have nothing constructive to say..
I want the Positives and negatives of this or that..

I want a Fact Scientific Debate backed up by fact not Your Opinions that my Statements are Fantasy.. your Oppinions are based on fantasy Sir.. Display Facts
Everything I have been saying in here has been fact after fact and you keep playing it off as fantasy.. The only thing that i Desplay as my OPTIONS are just My EXAMPLES as to a WAY IT COULD BE! and when I talk about monetary effect on man kind and this world I DISPLAY ONLY FACTS.. go look it up.. You can see the facts for yourself.. You cant even prove me wrong all you can do is Cry your opinions out..

(Exotic Gem stone rule is Energy and Resources and Man power) We need to make Monetary as Light as possible..
Or talk about a New system for humanity and we might stumble on something that works world wide..
Make sure to post in the topic line What you are Choosing to talk about Ether or or both
Topic Line New system for Humanity
Topic Line Fixing Monetary

I want facts and Cool Options for a new System for Humanity
Or I want Facts about Monetary and no BS OPINIONS.. unless the Opinion is about Options that we could set into motion to make Monetary lighter! This needs to be Resolved..
I am not going to watch this world ROT and Crumble away when I CAN DO SOMETHING!!!
I WILL NOT STAND BY IDLE! when we could do something about it NOW!
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Nah you are not Considering what i am saying.. Food points is not money.. It is the Ability and Formulation to Gain food.. You gain these food points at the end of the month and you gain less if you are not working.. You don't gain them for working..
and dont go off stating that you will go Hungary Because you wont.. you just get less because you don't need more food unless you are working out.. Like i said it needs to be formulated..

You wont even consider all of the angles you don't even apply your mind.. you just keep thinking money is the only way

And to be honest with you.. I dont like the idea of using food as Bribery to get someone to work. I think gaining Tiers for Items and working to keep those tiers up is enough to motivate someone to work + housing outside of the common house.. you don't need to starve becuae that lowers your chances of being good enough to get a job.. the common house would keep you nice and presentable so you can look good to apply for Task Allocation Sectors (A Task Allocation sector is like say Research in a particular field OR Government Management or whatever)

to be honest with you.. Money is a Fantasy.. You keep pretending its a reallty only because its an applied fantasy that every one agrees to.. and if a NEW system that was Better the Monetary slaped you in the face.. You would dunce it away acting like Monetary is better..

My System that i am Describing to you is But an Example.. I realize its not Perfect.. but how much damage would it do to Formulate with Research and Science a System that helps people have a Higher Quality of life.. Like my food Point system.. helps them to keep nice and Fit and able to attract a Lovely wife ^.^

I am aiming for a Higher quality of life for all.. Monetary is a Higher Quality of life for the Few...

it is good that you are talking about my food points but you cant go spend food points on items thats what tiers are for access to higher level items and such to an Limited extent..
in tiers you get Slots like 1000 Slots and you can get a tv and fill 10 slots or a computer and fill 50 slots and such.. and you are only allowed one of these computers or Tv's unless you apply for one for your kid or such.. simple.. Tiers show you how Responsible and productive you are and you gain access to task points by Improving yourself at Learning Centers such as collage and such.. That way every Man and woman is Utilized for the benefit of mankind..

But stop crying more opinions such as koombyahh stuff or whatever.. im not in the mood

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quote: I want facts and Cool Options for a new System for Humanity
Or I want Facts about Monetary and no BS OPINIONS.. unless the Opinion is about Options that we could set into motion to make Monetary lighter! This needs to be Resolved..




Let's work this from the other end, YOU provide the facts for a new System. What have you got? We'll b e glad to critique them for you.

The US, 1776, started from zero - Europe & Asia had been working on building/improving society and humanity for 1000s of years. From a standing start we used our new constitution and capitalism to build a new nation, within a 100 years we were able far surpass any other society on the face of the earth. And less than100 years later we put Man on the Moon (1969) using the Science & Research that you whine about. And those are FACTS.
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Well thats not money.. Old guy ^.^ and I am glad you are throwing down..
That is Persistence.. Skillful Resource management.. methodical and meticulous Research.. And Man Power.. Cool People ^.^ it is people who made this nation great.. not some monetary even though it was a fine tool back then.. Bet review my post about the warn and warped sword.. its in the blue text on the 5th page I think..
And We had a lot of Resources to boost Our tool Monetary back then.. Monetary like you say is just a Fantasy Representation ^.^ of Resources.. and uh.. They got rid of the gold standard.. In which case.. why not uhhh... Back it up with Earth.. Make the Earth Standard then.. Thing is with Money being a Fantasy Representation.. you can just print money saying a smaller amount of this or that is backing it up...
To be honest with you a Tier system works fine why? You dont have to buy an Xbox and a PlayStation and Dreamcast and a PC... You just by One PC and it Does PlayStation and Xbox and Whatever else.. Universal PC! does it all and Saves Resources Like Madness..

Sure it is a Limitation but it keeps Resources strong.. This is Obviously the bad part about money You have to buy a Xbox (PC) from Xbox for 300 bux.. Resources or time waisted right there..
You then have to buy a Dream cast and a PC.. All the same exact thing.. This lowers the quality of life and causes a dark age... and this all costs energy resources and man power..

Further more.. People steal Inventions from other people and make the half Arsed Version of it.. and Compounded to that the Creator of that Invention has the Ability to Improve on it when the person who stole the Invention Knows only how it works and jack all about Improving it .. We need to Fix this Some how.. It is PARAMOUNT that we fix this problem..

Monetary needs to be formulated to be Lighter.. (The Heavy foot being wasting resources man power and energy into producing a computer called xbox and a computer called play station and a computer called PC)
Or we need to come up with a new system.. And I think My System Rocks so far.. Even though I Know.. That Science and Research could make a better one then even MINE..
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I love giving gifts to humanity like this so I will give you a gift to show you what its all about.. in an effort to make it easier on the middle and lower classes.. it will make it easy on the higher classes aswell..
You could have the internet be Your Computer hard drive.. Cable is Super critical fast..

Another bold blunder by greed is the fact that corporation likes to up ya from 30 mb internet to 60 mb internet and charge ya an extra 30 dollars.. Should just be Maxed out..
Humanity is so greedy you even do stuiped for Resources but here is my gift and the explination as to why its a waist of resources
And looking at a sata cable and looking at a Cable from my wall.. You can tell how powerful the Internet Cable is.. CAT6 Ethernet cable standards, it can handle up to 10 Gbps
Well Darn 600 MB for 6 Sata 3 hard drives so lets calculate this now... Hmm 3.6 GB hmm.. thats nice and all but I would rather a Program that is being Multiple used load up to a server Ram stick.. or two or three for all I care..
And people can use the Internet like a HARD DRIVE..
No more Pumping out 6 Billion Hard drives for everybody when the Internet could just do the job for you
Chhh... and you think I am the looser who fantasizes.. Your world SUCKS compared to mine.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA and i bet you would charge money to be every bodies hard drive as well.. This right here is My Intellectual Property and I say its free to use.. if anything they can be charged 60 bux for the internet I suppose..

I have 100's of these kinds of Ideas.. I could put all of the Compnies out of Buessness but I dont have time for that.. I have A quest.. I dont feel like this world is Worthy of it leaching my life away in this way.. I need everyone to Reformulate this world into a Prosperous one so i can go on this quest quickly as I need all the Life I have.. Its My Dream.. Or uh.. You dont get my Super badarse..
Inventions..

I dont have 1000 years to spend 100 years messing around with corporation land and then going on my quest for my dream...

And because of this Dream and the quest for it.. I am never going to quit.. I am never going to tire.. its never going to end.. tell the day I die.. and i wont rest in peace because of you standing in my way..
Its time for Humanity to go to space ^.^
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Zereous Excentris: [quote="christcorp"]So in your imaginary world of points and tiers, society is allowed to dictate what possessions a person is allowed to have. Only one of these or two of these. Based on what society believes a person needs. In other words, it doesn't matter to you what a person wants, only what you and your society determines that they need. What a crock of Shiite.[/quote]
Uhhh No.. It works however its Formulated to work and it can be formulated by sociaty to work wonderfully.. dont be an idiot and act like its one way or another. when this sytem has not even been formulated totally. You know they had 300 years to make the gasoline powered car bad arse and when they came out with the electric car it has not been upgraded on for 300 years and corporations acts just like you are acting in this post.. You need to stop crying and use your brain..

My system is Unformulated because I am just giving you peaces.. I have not spent 20 Days Formulating it why? Because Research and Science or Practice can make it work out for all.. You just act like that because money has been around for 1500 years and is this Heavy formulated system... mine is light and a work in Progress.. and I dont expect you to use mine or perhaps i do.. Perhaps Science and Research needs to step in..

[quote="christcorp"]Sorry, but if I WANT a tv in every room, that's my right. I don't need someone or society telling me I can't, because you don't think I need it. And you'd rather give one to someone else. And I don't want you or society telling me that there's only one type or brand of computer or car that I can own. Maybe I want a pickup truck with monster wheels sitting 3 feet in the air so I can go off roaring. And maybe I also want a practical car to go to work with and a fast sports car that I can relax with driving the country side on my day off. Would all that be allowed? [/quote]
Wonton Waist of Resources is BS.. There is no reasion for a TV in every room.. Your wife can have a tv in the bedroom and you can have a tv in the livingroom and your child can own a tv.. Once again this System can be formulated to More Protection all it has to do is work better then monetary.. you just dont want to accept any thing other then monetary working and that's Ignorance .. instead of Crying about my system why dont you try fixing monetary then?

[quote="christcorp"]I have absolutely no desire to live in a world where society allows me to have only what I need and not what I want. What people want, is what motivates them. It motivates them to excel. And in your world, there will still be the elite, who govern and control the others. And those elite will still have more than the others. They will have more power, more possessions, and more control. [/quote] Once again you are not reading into all the details.. Your needs are provided and your wants are worked for By You gaining tiers.. an d you work to keep your tiers.. You cry instead of understand.. what are you afraid of everybody being equal?


[quote="christcorp"]I think you've been watching the movie divergent too much. Which faction are you part of? Even if technology advanced itself to the point where everything was automated and humans didn't have to do any work, there would still be people who want to be a free spirit to do and have what they want. Not what society says they only need. And there will still be people who strive for power and control over others. Our world and society may not be perfect, but at least in our country and society, the individual still has the ability to control their own destiny. Whether they actually do something to I,prove their lot in life or they sit back and complain, they still have that choice. Unfortunately, too many people are lazy and simply want to blame society and others for their situation. Keep watching Star Trek, divergent, and all your futuristic movies and keep dreaming. Either way, I have no desire to live in a world where I don't get to control my destiny. I don't want a world where others tell me what I can or can't have for my pleasure and satisfaction.[/quote]

Most of this is just Crying but.. (* the individual still has the ability to control their own destiny.*) Wrong! Your Destiny is Dictated by money..

You get pleasure and satisfaction through working for tier system.. and the world will no longer be formulated around greed but Multi Systems so you can have basically everything..
Like the Internet Being your Hard Drive Idea in a way

I keep giving you the key and you keep Duncing it away like it does not exist.. the KEY Research and Science a better way.. Does not have to be My system.. But You cry Why? because Research and Science WILL come up with a better way..
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What steps ahas Humanity taken to help others accomplish there dreams instead of making shit harder.. what steps do people to to be brothers and sisters to help eachother with that situation..
LOOK HOW LAME YOUR ASS IS.. I KEEP STRIVING FOR MY DREAMS RIGHT INFRONT OF YOUR FACE AND YOU DONT EVEN REALIZE YOU STAND IN THE WAY..
SEE your just a F face a Animal.. A DAMN ROBOT!! WHO COULD GIVE A DAMN WHAT THAT DREAM EVEN IS.. YOU WOULD RATHER SAY.. THE DREAM FALLS ON YOUR SHOULDERS NO ONE WILL HELP YOU BUD..

Take on the whole entire world 5 times in a row..

Cant accomplish it alone.. and if its Not possible My existence means NOTHING..

Lame.. Because I said this one time allready..

You SUck MORE..

And you dont even realize what I have said before.. It takes to long to even get on my own two feet.. you keep acting like its so damn easy.. the Spring in the SPring board is BROKEN.. it DOES NOT WORK SO EASY.. FORGET THAT SHIT!!

Look at my inventions,.. all of them are genius but somehow talk is cheap.. THATS NOT EVEN NATURAL FOR HUMANITY TO SAY.. THOSE ARE GOOD INVENTIONS..
Are you that F'ED UP IN THE HEAD..

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You guys are Psycho paths because I know you will say DUMB shit..

Pick a lesser dream or some lame nonsense..

I guess thats your childish excuse to say destroy your soul guy..
Even though humanity could help humanity by everyone being brothers and sisters to help eachother occomplish 5X harder for all.. making there existince that badass..

but you guys are the Retards of Retards..

And you keep proving it over and over again.. Like lame Robots.. You guys are not even Human ether..

Man is Money So important to you.. MOney..

Human Values destroyed for wealth I guess

You just wait.. IN a few years your all going to feel like Newbs..

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Obvously you dont give about the Psychological Damage your race causes.. You think thats there persional problem though you could allways change around to make it a little easier on the mind but F that nonsense make it stresfull as **** on people.. F with there MINDS ALL DAY WITH THE SAME DUMB SHIT OVER AND OVER... BILL BILL BILL ALL THERE LIFE THE SAME LAME NONSENSE>. MAKES PERFECT SENSE AS PEOPLE GO CRAZY AND ITS NOT THE WAY SHIT IS THAT MADE THEM SNAP.. NAH.. blame it on them and not on humanity.. EVEN though..

Like lame children you still will never understand.. and you even act Ignorant of what I am saying..

GO read the WHOLE DAMN TOPIC FROM PAGE ONE.. TO HERE.. AGAIN..
REVIEW.. because then PERHAPS you will understand..

man I am thinking you guys are just lame ass NEW WORLD ORDER TROOOLLSS or some bs..
REally close to thinking so because this is just too convenient really..

you bust your butt pretecting the status qua.. and asking LAME ass questions that apply to LAME NOTHING AT ALL.. instead of GIVING A ****>

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CHANGE YOUR WAYS TO SOMETHING ELSE UNKNOWN, NEW THAT WORKS>.
BUT YOU ACT LIKE YOU DONT UNDERSTAND.. its not even possible I know your not THAT RETARDED!!

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yeah they dont even respond in care.. thy never do they just sit there trying to formulate how to be the perfect asshole.. look at your pathetic selves!

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quote: and OLD GUY.. TRAVAILING TO THE JOBS.. TSS.. OMG man.. are you a FOOL.. God I cant even call you a Retard because its Disrespectfull I guess.. Think about it JACKASS.. I travle to A job.. Yeah man.. Ill spend all of my money and go there.. and HOPE he hires me.. WHat a GENIUS oppertunity.. then Im F'ed Over because I did not get the job and I am high and Dry.. GENIUS MOVE OLD GUY.. I GOT F;ed OVER.. POSSIBLY EVEN DEAD!!

I would LOVE to Submit my ideas old guy.. but I cant.. That also costs me My food money.. Cant do that buddy.. Your race could give a damn i guess. and I got 19'000''s of advancements..



Well - that's what I did - and probably most other people. I had $500, an old VW that I owed $1000 on. I drove 1500 miles (slept in the car) to a large technology city - put on my suit, went around with a handful of resumes, and applied at several companies. Got hired within a week. Explained to HR that I didn't have money, they got me a $200 advance on salary. And I went from there.

Since patents seem to be your thing, that company and the one that I worked for a few yrs later, were both happy to pay for my patent applications.

But, like most things, if you think that you "can't", then you are probably right.
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Black fire spills from my eyes more and more as you understand to little..
You stray on the edge of a knife with me!

*IN a lame sarcastic Voice* I Moved around,.. thats what I DID. Because it worked in 1960's But I have no Idea about today.. Because shit like that could get you F******!!

Why dont you Suggest something that actually works in the real world and not in your dream 1960's world!

and you guys even IGNORE the topic..
Like lame little fools.. who cant even get up a brain cell

New UNKNOWN WAY!
I say it 100's of times and they cant even bring themselves to talk about it.. Man are they just Retards of the Retards.. There genetics have Degraded to the point of not understanding replacing a simple RULE!!.. with something new and Unknown..

ITS LIKE GOD MADE MONETARY AND TOLD YOU NEVER TO MOVE FROM MONETARY.. WITH SOMETHING NEW OR BETTER OR YOU WILL SURLY DIE.. YOU GUYS ARE WRITHY RAVING LUNITIC RETARDS HOWLING AT THE GROUND.. ODLE ODLE ODLE ODLE!!

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Everlasting love.. One step away... into space.. perhaps nothing happens atleast then I got my Knowledge as to what would when we become a solar system Race instead of Infinitesimal childish Infantile one.. Masks of Tresion smile appon your faces..
Its just a mask its not your fault you know not what you do.. your just envy and jelusy and fear for your green slips of coton..

Little do you know how much you lamely mess up

Know that in the end you wont escape the fate of paying the PRICE!!



You better hope.. You have the perfect Excuse because my eternal RAGE BURNS DEEP INSIDE OF WHAT WOULD BE A PURE LOVE HEART TWISTED BY YOUR EVIL INFINTILE MINDED RACE..

YOU WILL SUFFER MY WRATH!!

For holding me back you Tarnish the Mathmatics of this Universe and its Outcome How viscous of your. YOUR WHOLE RACE WILL ALSO BE JUDGED AS A WHOLE LET THAT BE KNOWN..

ALL THE SUFFERING ACUMULATED THAT THIS RACE CAUSES AMONG THE STARS WILL BE CALCULATED..

AND ALL OF IT GATHERED INTO A SPHERE.. AND COPYIED IN ITS ENTITY.. NO INFINTESMALITY LOST.. NON.. NOT A DROP OF THAT SUFFERING SPLUT AWAY BUT INSTEAD DUBLLED AND MADE TO BURN AT SPEEDS BEYOND COMPREHENSION..

AND THE FOOL WHO CAUSES THIS LAME SHIT WILL ENCOUNTER THIS ORB OF SUFFERING AND WILL IMPRINT THE PAIN ONTO HIS MIND IN ALL OF ITS INTIRATY
NO INFINTESMALITY OF THAT LOST EVERY DROP PRECEAVED.. FOR TARNISHING AND RUINING...

AND IT WILL MAKE HIM FLY UNIVERSES OF DISTINCES IN A MILLASECOND AND SLAM AGAINST A ETHERIAL HEAVEN WALL AS HARD AS THAT SPEED ALLOWS.. UNIVERSES...

AND THEN HE WILL BE STRANG A UNIVERSE IN DISTIANCE>. MADE TO SQUEEEEEEEELL FOR ALL OF CREATION AND DIMENSION TO HEAR HIS MISERABLE SOUND>.

WE WILL SEE HOW HE LIKES THAT SHIT!!

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Yup, that's what I DID in the sixties. And 35 years later that's what my adult children did. And now my 20-yr old grandson will be doing that.

Any more EXCUSES? ?
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Your the Excuse maker Old guy.. You come up with Nonsense that does not work in todays world..
And you keep offering me vanity path..
I want to Invent.. to be a Physicist and a scientist and Invent cool technology..
Your world is to ****** lame though.. and for standing in my way.. I dont stand in my way..
LOOK AT HOW HARD I TRY.. 26 Pages of Your dumb talk.. lame talk and Missunderstanding..

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Your the Excuse maker Old guy.. You come up with Nonsense that does not work in todays world..
And you keep offering me vanity path..
you guys are like th god of excuses to avoid change at all costs..

but to be honest with you my dream is not hard if your race would help me..
But obvously your race.. does not give a ****.. Your race will be also judged as a whole..

and that fate.. Who knows who it falls to..
You better hope there is some evil bastard causing this shit.. because if its humanity's fault.. you guys are going to go psycho over what you have done.. As you beg kicking and screaming the lot of your evil lives.. Its unforgivable to me.. to bar me from my dream at all costs..

60 ****** years old by the time its done YOUR lame ass way..
Could be done in 7 years from now instead if you guys just work it out right.. but you act like you have Psycho shit to lose or something.. like something else is FAR more importaint.. Like you even have shit to do.. Humanity just sits there staring at the ground.. Odling..

Lame noobs.. 60 years old... To lait.. I have to do it QUICKLY.. but nah.. You keep saying... TAKE YOUR TIME BUD..

You will pay the price..

look at this Infinite existince to you.. and you are pry thinking NOTHING will come.. and see this shit.. and Know how evil it is.. Something will see this some day eventually..

billions of years.. Trillions.. Whatever.. Something will eventualy Seeee..
See all of you Rabaling Idiots Avoiding the QUestion or the Topic like CHild minds..
Trying to Derail the conversation every time..
You wont FEEL LUCKY THEN..

wHo are you even.. No human Emotion.. No empathy.. I hope you are prepared to Suffer the Payment.. Its not a happy one.. when you Destroy Lovers Path and Causes Plight.. Fuckes up the Math of the universe.. Obvously my Life is VANITY THEN.. and its not my fault.. I TRY TO HARD... Its humanity BLOCKING me like a bully with all that it does..

YOU will pay the Black fire PRICE!

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Bet the marines would just do..
Bet they have a Nice mentality about going to space..
I give them Technology I guess in words that mean nothing therefor somehow based on your phantasy physics my technology is broken and does not work,, because talk is cheap like childish fucks you are obviously bullshit..

what about the marines right? in 13 seconds I bet they are Moraly outstanding enough to Understand My Love Dream.. and My love quest.. because all these human woman WANT NOTHING BUT SES AND MONEY.. NOT SEX OR PASSON LOVE MAKING,.. SES>. NOT SEX GET THE WORD RIGHT..
THEY JUST WANT SES AND MONEY.. THEY DONT WANT ROMANCE PASSION AFFECTION LOVE OR ANYTHING THAT EVEN MEANS ALL..

YOUR RACE IS A BITCH AND A LITTLE GRUB MAGGOT.. ****** RETARDS AND NOOB FACES>.
I BET THE MARINES WOULD AGREE WITH MY ASS..
HELP ME FOR MY TECHNOLOGY.. DO YOU KNOW MUCH TECHNOLOGY IS WORTH..

I KEEP HANDING IT TO YOU ON A SILVER PLATER AND YOU KEEP ACTING LIKE ITS WORTH SHIT..

****** IDIOTS>. YOUR WHOLE RACE IS LOSERS! PROVE ME WRONG! YEah you cant.. Your race is a Peace of Falactic BS.. a full galaxy of Dumb Shit Retards.. ALL up inside of Each and every one of you..

HOW WOULD MARINES RESPOND TO THIS SHIT RIGHT HERE.. WONDER WARE THERE EVEN AT OR WHAT THERE EVEN DOING!!!!

watch they wont DARE step up and PROVE my ass wrong ether.. And if they talk about money like the shit.. Ill just tell them to JUST DO.. but they do JACK SHIT for society..

Come up here Marine.. WHy dont you BITCH about how IM somehow the LOSER.. be an IDIOT.. then Ill ask you what have you dont for your Neighbor other then sit on a computer chair and defend our nation FROM NOTHING!!

Its kind of funny really.. These solders and Marines could be Going through.. and messing with peoples stuff to help them.. Break this curse.. BUT THIS YOU CANT UNDERSTAND ETHER..

OMG I JUST WANT TO DO SHIT FOR HUMANITY BUT I AM REQUIRED TO GET A JOB I GUESS>.
SOMEHOW I HAVE TO GET A JOB.. I DONT ****** CARE..
I JUST WANT TO DO SHIT FOR HUMANITY>. FOR FREE YOU LITTLE MAGGOT BITCHES.. AS LONG AS IT EQUATES TO ONE THING.. MY LOVE DREAM

YOU GUYS ARE ****** DEFEATED AT EVERY ANGLE THIS TIME YOU LITTLE NOOB FACES!!

Lets see you come up with your CHildish DUmb shit this time..

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*WRITHES THRASHES AND FLAILS AS BLACK FIRE CONSUMES THE LITTLE RAT THAT EVADES LIKE A LITTLE BITCH.. IT SEQUELS IN AGONY AS THE LITTLE BASTARD DIES*
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What does JESUS think of you?

I want my love quest my love dream.. thats the only patment I expect if i can reach that far.. but can I is the only question.. only one way to find out.. let me try.. Will you stand in my way..
What ill Jesus think.. What would JESUS DO..

Will you fallow the path of Ascension.. make the right choice..
or fallow the path of Descension.. and Destroy peoples dreams and love.. I guess humanity is just a Dream eater and a Destroy of love.. Wonder what that Equates to in the universe..

You better choose wisely.. because it dictates your FATE!!



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Zereous Excentris:
THe fact there is Suffering and Poverty means there is Error..
Why do you still deffend this shit.. Jesus christ guy.. You just want to eat Monetary hambergers all day instead of stepping up to the 3erd system beyond..

Its liek you ignore 3erd system beyond.. it gives me a headach.. your so Ignorant of it or something.
NEW.. UNKNOWN.. SYSTEM.. YOU NEVER SEE THIS.. because you don't want to I guess

Look at you defend rot.. from 3000 years ago.. its like you cant understand that.. Its like holding onto a computer from 3000 years ago or something..

you are really an idiot and you just dont get what I am saying man.. its like your just being a jerk!

Whatever questions you have to ask are all ready covered by this topic!

You know i think those dire wolves are dead really and you kids are just fantasizing there still alive.. and its an Illusion.. You guys lost long ago!

You don't want to change to System X from monetary.. because your a Baby I guess!

they try to derail the conversation.. they don't want to talk about Unknown systems.. they just ask questions that DO not Comply with the Topic I set before them..

But the whole Thread all ready supports answers for Christ corps!

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Why not take a look at the MacArthur "Genius Grant" as a possibility. A stipend of $625,000 over five years is given to people who have shown evidence of exceptional creativity but show the potential for more in the future. The foundation tries to include a range of discplines, ethnic groups and geographic areas. In 2015 they chose 24 candidates.

So there is an oppurtunity to be recognized for your inventions.

Ronald Reagan once noted the basic difference between Democrats and Republicans. “Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July,” he said. “Democrats believe every day is April 15th.”
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Why not change from Monetary to the New system X.. Because its an all around Improvement to life..
A new age System Designed in the 21'C to replace one designed Year -1000

You know.. You never seam to UNDERSTAND!!.. Me going through your LAMEly designed world.. Means i lose.. at all angles Unless I fallow my path.. AND IT KEEPS TELLING ME NO!.. DENIED TO MY PATH..; and you keep offering me fallacy and Vanity Options like Im not smart or something like the devil is lamely enough trying to temp me to play your root of all evil game..

SO I ask again..
Why not change from Monetary to the New system X.. Because its an all around Improvement to life..
A new age System Designed in the 21'C to replace one designed Year YEAR BC 1000

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You anal little Maggot..



I'm going to point out your intelligents to all readers when you say things like this.

Ronald Reagan once noted the basic difference between Democrats and Republicans. “Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July,” he said. “Democrats believe every day is April 15th.”

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OH hey look he does not Resolve the question.. guess because he is mad and pissed..

I guess because I am human And I get ANgery!
Well.. still have Human emotions.. but I dont think you guys have those anymore..

They keep avoiding and Derailing the conversation this way to avoid the resolution of the conversation but NO MORE!!
.. and even smearing now! I guess I got so mad.. I had to Sorryaly enough Yell and Cuss at them because they dont know how F'ed up they made me feel.. Its on the level of an Emotional; Atrocity.. I guess GOD will judge you!]

Obvously you all show your intelligence this way through Derailing.. oh and Smear campagn that No longer Apply because that was like.. 12 hours ago.. You did not mention it then.. I wonder why.. guess you are just trying to derail again! Yeah!

SO I ask again..
Why not change from Monetary to the New system X.. Because its an all around Improvement to life..
A new age System Designed in the 21'C to replace one designed Year YEAR BC 1000

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I have said this.. and you have Ignorantly ignored it.. Every post..

SO I ask again..
Why not change from Monetary to the New system X.. Because its an all around Improvement to life..
A new age System Designed in the 21'C to replace one designed Year YEAR BC 1000

The Fact of Everything - E = Universe and Physics!
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Zereous "Change, Adapt, Advance, Ascend and Transcend!"
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It does not matter if you WIN the war. IF YOU LOSE EVERYTHING!
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You didn't respond to my post yet regarding the Genius award. You claim to be a Genius by your own words, so what's stopping you from pursuing your dreams? The monetary grant of $625,000 would allow you to invent, create and patent all of your ideas that you've been telling us how it's so expensive to get a patent.

Ronald Reagan once noted the basic difference between Democrats and Republicans. “Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July,” he said. “Democrats believe every day is April 15th.”
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I dont care about that.. I care about the Topic I am talking about and this Question!

Why not change from Monetary to the New system X.. Because its an all around Improvement to life..
A new age System Designed in the 21'C to replace one designed in YEAR BC 1000

This is Common sense right here.. I am hardly a Genius for descovering Monetary as a flaw and not a SOLVE ALL Because this Question Proves it! and they act like its a Solve all.. even though they Know its not!

Why not change from Monetary to the New system X.. Because its an all around Improvement to life..
A new age System Designed in the 21'C to replace one designed in YEAR BC 1000?

I want to play life under different rules.. You say my free will is Unbound.. and my desteny is my own.. then why do you force my free will under the rule of monetary.. that makes my destany Moneys.. and my free will is Altered.. and its like this for everyone.. making there dreams and lives yours.. So I ask again!

Why not change from Monetary to the New system X.. Because its an all around Improvement to life..
A new age System Designed in the 21'C to replace one designed in YEAR BC 1000?



These are the final blows to these Corp money whores.. Sorry for the cuss but I had to say it that way to diss them proper enough!
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"NEW, ALWAYS BEATS THE OLD?

BULL SHIITE. The "CLAW HAMMER" for pounding and pulling nails, has had the same basic design since it's design. There's no need to scrap it and come up with a new hammer. If you did, it would look pretty much identical to the existing one. So don't give us this crap about "NEW is always better than OLD.

I've had hundreds of people work for me in my time. Many times people will complain about something. About a policy, a procedure, a rule, etc. I tell them straight up. If you think something is a problem, then definitely express your opinion. BUT, that opinion better also include a recommendation or a solution. If not, keep your mouth shut until you've done your research. Without an alternative, you're just a whiner.

Well, the same advice applies to you. You don't like the current monetary system? Fine. I can respect that. Now, either provide suggestions, alternatives, and means of implementing it, or keep your mouth shut. If you're not part of the solution...... then you're part of the problem. So, in this case, being you're the only one who thinks the monetary system is a problem, you either have to make suggestions and recommendation; along with ways to implement the change, or you need to accept the fact that you are part of the problem. Assuming you insist that there's a problem.

You are blind to reality. If anyone argues your position, you degrade them and somehow claim "Victory". I understand that you're young and inexperienced. I don't hold that against you. But I do hold against you or anyone, someone who complains about something, but offers no solutions or alternative. You have a choice. If you want to complain about something that the MAJORITY don't believe is a problem, then you have to submit alternatives and solutions, or you have to accept the fact that others will not respect your opinion. And that's where we're at. It's easy to say something sucks, or that it's bad. But if you don't suggest a better way and present a feasible way to implement it, then you're simply a whiner who has nothing to offer society.
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Your statement is mostly untrue Other then perhaps the claw hammer.. but that worked good enough... your just pulling things out of your butt!

Your just mad because you cant prove me wrong! With actual real life proof.. which does not even exist!

You just want to keep playing Monetary.. and never try anything new because you know it is better and more smooth.. refined and Streamlined.. Knowing humanity.., which your dissing with your current statement like they will mess up when they make a new system..

If humanity gets together to make a system today.. to Obsolete Monetary.. they would prove you wrong Easy.. To easy..

When I say New.. I am talking about Computer parts style of new.. you cant win.. when there is a new computer part..
Its like saying the 2x Core Processor Monetary beats the 8x Core New and improved 3erd choice System The one that is not barter or Monetary..

Man do I have to explain this to little kids who cant grasp concepts.. Only reasion I say things like this Christ corps is to get you to Improve yourself.. You degrade me all the time and act all cool about it I guess..

When Monetary is 3000 or 4000 Years old.. and the 21st centery could put that system to shame.. with something WE design ourselves.. That Old Monetary system looks like floaters in the toilet.. Compared to the epic humanity.. If it thinks it can.. Which I guess I am starting to Doubt because you doubt humanity can I guess..

So.. Christ corps.. Can Humanity make a SYSTEM better then Barter and Monetary?
I am going to cast my vote to YES! and it WILL be more STREAMLINED and EFFICIENT.. IT WILL.. be an UPGRADE.. there is no Denying this.. Your pwnd.. Easy.. to this.. and you fight in vain! You may as well just give up.. Because you cant even Air tight Beat me.. you resort to metaphor for your arguments Structure.. I just use to help you understand.. Your the one who's reality is Skewed.. Because you pretend Monetary is SUPERMAN.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ANd we all know the truth.. even yourself.. That humanity can Easy put that to shame.. Prove me wrong.. Oh right.. I forgot.. there is no such proof to support I am wrong.. thats what makes you so mad..

I recall Article 101 and Article 102 With a Modification.. that when I say new.. I mean computer New.. Not Just whatever you can choose to pull out of the bag to support your theory!

he is Obvously Lost allready because in this topic I have said IMPROVED.. to many times..
What does Improved mean Christ corps.. and way that works? oh and Undiscovered..
Being designed by the 21 Century its obvious it would rule Monetary.. and you will never win in a million years because you have nothing to back up your statement.. just Bs.. really.. Because in Record time.. Humanity has never even tried.. its all ways a single person if anything oh.. and he uses OLD concepts.. not NEW.. and If humanity Tried.. IT would Be Successful in making IMPROVED.. ..

I dont know how many times I have to state something I have said in this topic before..

I guess its just a Psychological Circular logical Error.. And he keeps saying.. I cant computer Superior and Improved.. Over Monetary..

In your next statement.. You have lost.. and the one after that.. You will lose again.. because every time you relly on an Argument or statement with No Air tight value..

Here we go Ill just say this.. What from 1000BC when Monetary was born.. is better then Modern day items.. Kind of funny we Rely on a system from that AGE!.. Stone age Nonsense to me.. Its you who does not See reality.. You just see a Fantasy Slip.. made of Cotton paper that your Species Pretends has Value.. based on some Bs.. Because you "TRUST" it.. as it is used to Manipulate the masses..

Air tight Argument as to how I am wrong that there is not a better system that could be Created to Obsolete Monetary Please.. I am sick of your foolish Rants!



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Air tight Argument as to how I am wrong that there is not a better system that could be Created to Obsolete Monetary Please..

See'ing as Humanity can Fantasize anything it wants.. I don't know how you can win on this one!
See'ing as Anything can be made. Just like Money was Fantasized into Existence.. and Requires you to Fantasize Trust behind it.. There are to many Options.. Untested.. And Unresearched.. and Not even tried.. You cant.. its not even possible to prove me wrong.. I would not even try!

Monetary cant win against the Unknown.. Because the Unknown Wields any possibility.. And all Monetary is.. Is as you said.. A REPRESENTATION.. anything can be a representation of anything..
The cross is a symbol that Represents Christ. is the Cross Christ himself.. I highly Suspect not!!

I hope your next post is air tight to the point i cant even post a counter.. But that's Impossible!



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Well I think that ends this conversation..

In anycase Im sorry Christ Corps.. I do respect you.. I just dont respect your Argument or standpoint.. and I am not High and mighty enough to not Claim I acted like an asshole.. Thats because I get angry when I have to repeat myself..
FOR the most part because You don't offer an air tight argument..
You just tell me what I allready know.. What monetary does.. ANd i keep telling you.. Replace it with something the 21 Century Creates.. Something efficient and Streamlined..
Monetary is not Excellence though it just gets us by Compared to what the 21C can create in its place.. Streamlined and Efficient..

Just remember.. that post above this post supports that fact!

Sorry for acting like an asshole man.. But yeah.. I think this conversation is now over.. Well fought anyways..

This right here is the End.. There is no counter to this.. and what this represents is SUPER INCREDIBLE.. Monetary replaced by Streamlined and More efficient system..
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If the system we Create to Obsolite Monetary is MORE STREAMLINED AND EFFICIENT..

That means Less stress.. Makes more sense.. Common sense was involved in making it instead of common sense from 4000 Years ago..
Our world is so BACKWORDS.. it pegs it all on the LITTLE GUY..
Like we are made of Money apon Money or something.. they just keep billing the Little guy.. like we are fools.. Corperation never picks up the bill.. Nothing is to be assumed to be free. But when you buy from over sees with pay pal.. they even foot the pay pal fee they have to pay onto you.. Lame.. really.. thats there MATO.. Make you pay the charge.. 98% of the time..

thats an A$$ hole situation.. PAY PAY PAY.. while they rake in more money then they ever need..

Its time for change.. But.. something tell me change will just OBAMA OUT!!..Because you.. the Majority.. Will sit.. and eat a Hamburger.. and Not care about a Superior better life.. Way cooler then the Nonsense.. that we live in today

WILL YOU MAKE A DIFFERENCE.. nah.. Your not suppose to..because you Most likely don't have what it takes.. DO you have an air tight argument to prove me wrong?
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