Flagged for playing Poker

Corwin
Corwin: This is the third time now that this has happened, in as many times as I've sat down at the tables.

I play an evening of Wire Poker, then check my notification list the next morning, and see two things -- I've won a Poker Table Jackpot -- AND, I've been issued a flag.

I chat like a gentleman when I play... I congratulate a player if they win a hand, and I say thank-you if they congratulate me on a win. Friendly conversation.
But on the table I play "aggressively", often making big bets or going All-in... am I bluffing my butt off much of the time? Maybe I am, and maybe I'm not.
See my raise and find out... or fold.

That is NOT "bullying". The game is called No Limit Texas Holdem. That's just how the game is played.


During my tenure as Wire Moderator, I had to explain this to them, after seeing other Mods issue flags in Poker when a player hadn't done anything wrong other than bet aggressively. Apparently I was the only one on the Staff experienced at Poker. Perhaps this needs to be explained AGAIN.
If somebody is being abusive in the room chat, and breaking Wire's "rules of conduct", then FINE... issue a flag.

But if betting big or going All-in is considered "inappropriate behavior", then they should get RID of the game altogether.
Or get rid of the [All in] option and put limits on the bets... but then it wouldn't be "No Limit" Texas Holdem now, would it?
Only the most popular Poker game on the planet.


I won't play Poker here again. Which kind of sucks, as it's the only game here on Wire that I have an interest in. But not if I get reprimanded for the mere act of playing.
And I refuse to "soften" my playing strategy to accommodate precious snowflakes who get butt-hurt when the bets get big... they should stick to Bingo or Slots.

There are plenty of other sites online to play Poker. I'll play elsewhere.
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BugHug
BugHug: What the actual f*&^? I don't even play poker but I know enough about the game to know when someone wants a flag issued because they're a sore loser. Assholes!
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Aliasdaveagain
Aliasdaveagain: You hurt someone's feelings bud. You know that's not allowed today.
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Corwin
Corwin:

There's a saying... don't stake any more in a Poker game than you're prepared to lose.

By the time I was calling it a night, I was down on chips, so I just started going All-in on anything... I'd either get some chips back, or lose them all.
I lost them all. Hell, I was practically GIVING my chips away... to anybody with the balls to call my bluffs.

Now... to the [place expletive here] Moderator who issued me that flag... I DEFY you to show me the Wire Rules that says I can't play Poker that way if I so desire.
There ARE no such rules.
They're MY chips, and I can bet them as I see fit. If somebody doesn't like the way I bet, they can find another table.

It's one thing for some snowflake to hammer on the [flag] tab... quite another for a Mod to actually ISSUE that flag without a valid reason to do so.
NONE of the few comments I had posted in room chat were anything less than polite.
(Edited by Corwin)
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Aliasdaveagain
Aliasdaveagain: It's the times we live in bud. Snowflake, sjw, woke and so on. Unfortunately it is what it is and will only get worse.
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Corwin
Corwin: Maybe Rod should get rid of the Poker rooms and replace them with a less "aggressive" card game, like Crazy Eights.

But then again... dropping the Eight and changing the suit might be seen as "bullying".
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Corwin
Corwin: Better yet... Rod could create a special Poker room for the timid of heart...
... the Karen Room.

No chips needed, and no betting... we just get dealt cards, all face-up, then we look at each others cards and applaud the person who won.

Because that would be just so much fun.
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Angry Beaver
Angry Beaver: Joint's gone to the dogs!
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Aliasdaveagain
Aliasdaveagain: Corwin, you probably miss-gendered someone by saying "he" or "she" when you congratulated them on a well played hand. God forbid you said something like "Ok Guys, I'm off for the night" lol. You triggering facist lol.
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Aliasdaveagain
Aliasdaveagain: Dude, you truly have the best sense of humor ever lol. I loved the new games you suggested that Rod add to the roster lol.
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Corwin
Corwin: There's nothing wrong with the Poker game.

I'm addressing a different "problem" here.


And no, I don't think anything will get done about it... which is why I'm just not going to play Poker here anymore.
If a corrupt Moderator has a bullseye painted on your back, it's best to simply stay out of their sights.
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XxduckmeatxX16
XxduckmeatxX16: Players that constantly go "All In" pre-flop are ruining the game for those of us that like to play the game as it was intended. It's also not fair to those who have a limited number of Poker chips. If you want to play recklessly then go to the Jaguar Table where huge pots can be won and quit ruining the Poker experience for those of us that play for fun..
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Corwin
Corwin: "The game as it was intended"?? Seriously?

I guess you haven't played much Poker then, have you? I guess you haven't watched a lot Texas Holdem tournaments either.
I've been playing this game most of my adult life, and REAL face-to-face Poker games too with REAL money. Don't lecture ME on how the game is "intended" to be played.

My dad used to tell me, never stake any more in a Poker game than you're prepared to lose. So why do I have to stake 10,000 credits at a high-stakes table?? Because YOU say so? What makes you think I can afford THAT? And since when do YOU make the rules?

I Buy-In a that lower-stakes table for 400 credits, same as you... and I have every right to sit down at an empty seat at that table same as you.
And I can bet those 400 credits any damn way I please, same as you. Show me in the Rules where it says I can't. And if my stack is BIGGER than 400 chips it's because I was WINNING. Is THAT against the rules TOO?

"ruining the Poker experience for those of us that play for fun." .... Well, I play for fun too, pal. But sitting at a table with a precious snowflake who whines and complains and reports me for betting recklessly? Has it occurred to you that you may be ruining MY fun?

If you don't like the way I bet, you have the right to stand up and find another table. And if a 400 credit Buy-In is too rich for your blood, there ARE 200 credit Buy-In tables.
And I lose TOO you know... when I find myself up against a player who bets as aggressively as I do, then I've met my MATCH. And THAT is fun for ME.

And typically, when I start going All-In before the Flop, it's because I'm DOWN on chips. All-In out-of-the-gate is a "crap-shoot", like betting on Red on a Roulette Wheel... I'll either possibly win a big hand and get myself back into the game, or go bust and call it a night. Or if nobody has the guts to go in with me, they have the right to FOLD. Then all I win is the ante, but I'm still ahead.
This is a LEGITIMATE Poker strategy.


The name of the game is No Limit Texas Holdem, and it's a game that favors the aggressive player, and not for the timid. Maybe it's not a game for you. If you want a table with "limits" on the bets, then complain to the Admins. Maybe they can create a Limited Bets Texas Holdem just for people like you (although I've never heard of a game like that)... Braden could call it the Snowflake Table.
Or perhaps Bingo and Slots is more your speed.

Look, I chat politely while I play... I say, "Nice hand!" when I lose, and I say "Thank you." when congratulated on a win... and sometimes I joke around a bit to get a laugh (but I'm usually too focused on the game to type much in the chat)... that's gentlemanly etiquette, and that is ALL the Moderator Staff should be concerned about.
What goes on on the table should be none of their damn business... you sit at a table with ME and you're "fair game" just like anybody else (myself included).
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XxduckmeatxX16
XxduckmeatxX16: Keep in mind that I'm not alone on this, many feel the same way I do. If you want to ruin the game for the small potato crowd that's on you. But I was referring to those who go all in pre-flop way too often. It's annoying and takes the fun out of the game.
(Edited by XxduckmeatxX16)
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L u i
L u i: 😅 This guy just can't seem to let go of the idea that Corwin is supposedly "ruining the game". 🤦‍♂️ So I thought I'd share a short list of some other gentlemen who "ruined" the experience for other players in their respective fields:

Michael Jordan
Wayne Gretzky
Cristiano Ronaldo
Ken Jennings (Longest winning streak in Jeopardy history)

Yes, losing at a game can take away the fun and get "annoying" but that is YOUR problem. Vilifying players who are following the rules and succeeding at the game that you CHOOSE to play is foolish and you should know better. 🤷‍♂️
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Corwin
Corwin: Well said, Lui... well said.


Gretzky should have been BANNED from the NHL... NO FAIR! NO FAIR!


Well, Mr.Duckmeat... I AM one of those players who "goes All-In too often"... at least by your self-imposed "standards"... I don't do that all the time, but I sometimes use that strategy.
I'd like to see the official Rules that pertain to what "too often" is, and how that verdict is arrived at.

How many goals in one game did Gretzky need to score before the NHL Officials needed to step in and do something about it? Maybe they needed to tie one of his arms behind his back to make it "fair" to the other players?

Hell... the Toronto Maple Leafs haven't won a Cup since 1967... the NHL should impose a new rule so the other Teams are required to go easy on them.
No fair! No fair! ... The other Teams are ruining the Leafs' FUN!
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Corwin
Corwin: Imagine an NHL with Mr.Duckmeat's philosophy of "fair-play" imposed.

The players would all skate around, perhaps performing the odd triple-lutz and picking each other up by the crotch now and then to spin each other over their heads and gently put them down again... the audience would applaud... oh, but goals need to be scored... the Teams could take turns having their goalie step aside so the puck could sail in unobstructed.... and more applause would ensue...

... in the end it would be yet another GLORIOUS TIE... everybody wins... they could make LOTS of Stanley Cups, so at the end of the season each Team gets to take one home.
I can feel the love.

And after each hockey game, BOTH teams could get all naked and soapy together in the showers, and have a huge butt-sex orgy... they could kiss and make up, and make sure that there were no feelings hurt. Extra hugs to the guy who slipped on the ice and fell and needed a Band-Aid.

Oh.... in a perfect world.
Competition is SUCH an evil thing.

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XxduckmeatxX16
XxduckmeatxX16: In your haste to defend your bullying, you guys obviously didn't see my point. Try to read my post a little slower and let it sink in.
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Corwin
Corwin: My "bullying"?

It makes no difference how slowly I read your post. I think it's you who are missing the point.

Going All-in before the Flop is NOT BULLYING. It's playing Poker.
If it was bullying, then why does Wire even offer the option to go All-in before the Flop, hmmm?

Bullying is something that's done in the chat-window. If someone is being verbally abusive in the main chat, then fine, that can be considered bullying.
"Bullying" with Poker-chips is kind of a contradiction... that's how the game is PLAYED.
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WHlSKY
WHlSKY:
Duckmeat, perhaps the word you’re looking for is ‘unsportsmanlike’ at the most. Maybe that too is a stretch.

Calling someone a bully or saying they are unfair when they are within the lines the rules allow isn’t accurate or fair to the person’s character. Flagging when no rule is broken is unfair and even a form of intimidation.

It looks like you and the others’ real issue isn’t with Corwin’s game play, but with the rules. For that you should talk to Admin on changing the rules to suit you. Or there’s the option to play the game as it is.
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Corwin
Corwin: I decided to give it another go the other night. Flags be damned.
And had a great game for a change, without the harassment and accusations from timid players whom I was "ruining it for".

And do you know why, Mr Duckmeat? Whiskey said it right there -- "Sportsmanship".
Sure, I cleared the table of weaker players, and turned my 400 buy-in into a big stack, but I won it fair-and-square according to the rules of the game, and my opponents had that sense of Sportsmanship, and didn't cry foul when they lost their chips. They congratulated me on my wins, just as I do for them when I lose hands.

But better yet, I ended up meeting my match. An equally aggressive player who wasn't afraid to call my bluffs, and his stack grew to rival my own. Eventually it was down to just the two of us. Two big stacks going toe-to-toe. "End Game"... and that's when it gets REALLY fun.
We were pretty evenly matched, and we decided at one point to call it a night. We could have kept it up and went for "last man standing", but it was getting late.
At that point I had won Table Jackpot First Place, and he had won Second Place.
And it was nice logging in the next morning not seeing flags in my notifications next to my Jackpot notification.


So, Mr Duckmeat, sir... perhaps next time you find yourself up against a big-stack, rather than whine and report and attack my "character" and lecture me on how the game is "intended" to be played... you should instead admit you're outmatched, save your chips, and stand up from the table.
But don't "leave" the room... sit yourself comfortably and WATCH, and maybe "learn" something. Because THAT night, you would have witnessed a game of Texas Holdem, the way it IS intended to be played.


In the timeless words of Kenny Rogers:

You got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
Know when to run

It's that last bit I think you don't quite get.
(Edited by Corwin)
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XxduckmeatxX16
XxduckmeatxX16: Corwin you forget the fact that I'm not alone on this. There are a lot of folks that don't like pre-flop all ins which is nothing more than a crapshoot. If you want to use random chance to win I suggest that you go to the Bingo room.
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Corwin
Corwin: I suggest you go stuff your fist up a duck's bottom.


So you're not alone. Good for you. I'm sure there are plenty of people who suck at Poker and don't have a clue about the true dynamics of game-play like more experienced players do.

I just don't see how that's supposed to be MY problem.
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XxduckmeatxX16
XxduckmeatxX16: The fact that you're ranting nonstop and that you're the one that got flagged should tell you why it is your problem.
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