Space Elevator (The Epic Tower) (Page 3)

CorwinCorwin (Wireclub Moderator)
Corwin: Tell you what... why don't you test this idea by building a scale model?

Your actual tower height to reach a geostationary position and effortlessly put something in space is a height of 36,000 kms. (did you know it would have to be that high? )

Let's have a contest... we'll make our towers, say, 1 meter tall (a little over 3 feet)... you build yours with magnets, and I'll build mine out of aluminum angle-bar.

We'll see whose is lighter, cheaper, more stable, and more sturdy... and then you'll see that your magnets don't defy gravity.
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Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: Corvin they uh.. Use Electromagnitism and Scale modles wont work because they are too Sturdy as small
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Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: well it does have more weight but the electromagnetism I mean You Understand..

OK lets look at weight this way.. There is magnets and they weight is in pounds
The weight in the base magnet is 20 pounds.. the magnet placed above is 10 pounds
But the magnet above is now above the base magnet.. the base magnet is now 30 pounds and the magnet the "Sits" above the base magnet is 0 pounds Yes I Know Corvin the base magnet is 20 and the above magnet is 10 but i have to explain it this way so you understand..
Now the base magnet is 20 pounds and the above magnet is 10 right but electromagnitisem makes that magnet float in the air as long as that magnet does not twist..
So the base magnet takes on the weight of the floating above magnet making the magnet above 0 pounds and the base magnet is 30 pounds..
Now lets add lets say.. Uhh something that is not magnetic to it.. the magnet falls and touches the base magnet and the base magnet I mean we can see things here But you turn electromagnetisem on with electricity and then suddenly the weight from the non magnetic meterial is added.. and the Magnetic field is stronger pushing the magnet to its original point that it was floating at over the base magnet
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Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: how do you weigh a magnet floating above another magnet
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Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: sure it has mass but it just floats there and if you Push down on it.. it resists you
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Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: those magnets DONT want to touch as long as its North poll to North poll
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Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: They Press Away pushing up to support the structure allowing us access to build a tower to space
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Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: aluminum cant do that it will bend but with magnets supporting it it can
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Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: the base magnets and magnetic support structure counter weight with electromagnetic push
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CorwinCorwin (Wireclub Moderator)
Corwin:

Okay... you see here... back to the original flaw in your reasoning...
... a magnetic field does NOT eliminate weight above it... it will NOT make something above it weigh 0 lbs.

You say it will have mass but not weight? Why? The magnet beneath it is what's holding it up, and will carry the burden of the weight, NOT eliminate it.

Okay, never mind building a scale model... just do my coffee mug experiment on Page 1. You can perform that experiment with a coffee mug, two magnets, and a bathroom scale.
Let's see you make the weight of the coffee mug vanish and not register on the scale.
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Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: allright the magnet is 10 pounds and the base magnet is 20 but the magnet that waighs 10 pounds wants to rise when you turn electricity on
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Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: that will push up on the tower holding it up.. instead of it collapsing under wight and presure
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CorwinCorwin (Wireclub Moderator)
Corwin: There's still going to be 10 pounds of weight on the base magnet, regardless of whether it's turned on or not.
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Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: thats EXACTLY IT.. It displaced the weight to the BASE magnet..
Now if the tower has weight all the way up
Now Imagin it..
8 Miles high the tower weighs lets say 100 pounds to make this Easy now an extra 8 miles 100 pounds now this electromagnet set is all around the tower at 8 miles high and those magnets are on.. as electromagnets the electromagnets adds 10 pounds each and are lets say there is 6 of them
Now each electromagnet is pushing against the base magnet
lets say it reduces 160 pounds
normaly a 200 pound tower would collapse but these magnets through electromagnatisem presses the weght down into the base magnets and the base magnets take all the weight
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Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: now i know its not Reducing weight..
Its.. putting the wight into the base magnet instead of You Know
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Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: the 160 pounds is on the base magnets instead of on the tower
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Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: Normaly the tower would want to colaps under 200 pounds but the solid steel base magnets are holding it up with Electromagnetism
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CorwinCorwin (Wireclub Moderator)
Corwin: Each segment of the tower will still bear an increasing load as it get's closer to the bottom.
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CorwinCorwin (Wireclub Moderator)
Corwin: What difference does it make if there's magnets at the very base or not? What's holding those base magnets up? They're still pushing against the ground.
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Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: the ground and the base magnets fan our displacing weight over an area instead of a focused point
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Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: as long as all that weight is translated through the magnets to the base magnet you can build this thing 60 miles high
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CorwinCorwin (Wireclub Moderator)
Corwin: It will have to be 22,236 miles high, for one.

And the weight and pressure on each segment will still increase from top to bottom.
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What the heck would you expect to achieve with a 60 mile high tower??
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Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: the magnets take the load.. by pushing against each other and they want to Push away..
THe magnets take the load with electricity because that makes a magnet more powerful..
the magnets downstares would have to be formulated like uh.. they would be light weight magnets designed i mean i am not talking a magnet BAR or anything...
Its like a magnet slab on an I beam with another magnet slab or something.. Ether way

The base magnet You want to be as High up as Possible..
Here is what you do.. You take magnets and stack them normaly forming the base magnet South to north stacks Get that base magnet Built as HIGH as Possible.. welding it together..
The base magnet reaches a certain distiance upwords and then You want to start using electromagnetic support structuring
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CorwinCorwin (Wireclub Moderator)
Corwin: You're evading my question.

You didn't really think that a 60 mile high tower would do the trick, did you?
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Zereous Excentris
Zereous Excentris: Well the thing works in reality..
The Only Problem is Construction really.. I dont know how the hell You are suppose to get people up there to build it
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