MagnoTube Transportation and Shipping (Page 3)
Corwin: Well, we're both in a Saturday night kind of mode of differing vices anyway.. I will say that I'm enjoying this discussion very much though.
Corwin: Meh... haven't planned my day for tomorrow... I'll play it by ear...
Today was such an uber nice day... nice weather... my wife and I took a road trip on my motorcycle and visited some family we don't see often... good vibe... I'm digesting a steak dinner, which seems to be making me impervious to vodka.
Corwin: Zereous hasn't been around for about 3 years now, but I kinda miss that guy. We had some pretty far-out discussions at times.
He was the product of the combination of having a very ambitious mind (not lacking in intelligence per say), but very little formal education, especially in regards to Science and Physics.
He had some wild ideas, but didn't understand that those ideas were either "impossible" or at the very least wildly impractical. But you gotta give him credit for "thinking outside the box".
The biggest obstacle he couldn't wrap his head around were the Laws of Thermodynamics. He focused on the fact that energy "can't be created nor destroyed", but didn't understand the Law of Entropy - the fact that energy only flows in "one direction" and eventually finds its way to the void (the same way that rivers don't flow uphill). He was constantly searching for that "Free Lunch" of "re-using" spent energy, which, according to those Laws, is impossible.
I was always patient with him, because frankly, I liked the guy. His eagerness to come up with new ideas and concepts was admirable, and I found myself attempting to be his "teacher" of sorts. It wasn't my intention of being mean by always "poo-pooing" on his ideas, but my mind is hard-wired to spot obvious Thermodynamics violations, and would point those out to him.
If he could have embraced the basics of conventional Physics, THEN he would have been equipped to color outside the lines... but he wasn't equipped with that knowledge, and he RESISTED those concepts... primarily because those pesky Laws were always what was standing in his way.
I think with a good helping of formal education, he could very well have been another Nikola Tesla (who was also a bit nutty, but brilliant).
I think I was just starting to reach him though, and then he disappeared... but wherever he is, I hope he's doing well.
A toast to the "Serious Eccentric".
Fractured fairy tale: The Concord Never Stopped Production Cos it was loosing money .
It did loose heaps for a long Time
Till they put the Pilots who actually few it In Charge of the Whole Concorde program.
who flew on it were megga rich a wouldn't have a clue how much the Tickets cost . They never paid for them
They were a Business Wright off
British airways had the Concord fleet making good money . Little alone the Prestige it brought British Airways
No that Air France crash was the Beginning of the End .By the Time they reofitted all the planes to meet the new Regulations. It had fallen out of public Favour .
Public Opinion is a powerfull thing
(Edited by Fractured fairy tale)
Fractured fairy tale: Plus the beginning of the Hive brain and Video Conferences . Them high profile professional business executives
Dident have to fly around the World to close billion dollar deals face to face
They could do ir Star Trec style
Corwin: I see what you're saying, but you're missing my point.
The Concorde ended up as a "novelty". A toy for the fabulously rich, with only a couple of overseas routes. It was impractical and had no foreseeable future market to expand into for increased profits or sustainable industry.
Originally, the designers and investors foresaw a new era of air-transport, in which we'd all be zipping from here to there at Mach2. A very exciting prospect. Airlines were lining up to place their orders. Even here in my country, Air Canada had placed orders. But there were plenty of unforeseen problems with that pipe-dream that they would all learn in time.
The ground-shaking sonic booms were a public outrage and menace, which prohibited them from overland routes, and they could only land on certain runways equipped for them. They consumed fuel at a fantastic rate, and in the 1970s the cost of fuel was rising. Expensive to build, expensive to maintain, and a VERY limited market of those who were willing to pay the price for a ticket. They envisioned building hundreds of those things... only 14 ever went into service, shared between Britain and France (who paid for the whole show in the first place).
It's not just about the airlines making a profit, the manufacturer of the plane (Aérospatiale/BAC) needed to profit as well... and they couldn't SELL the damn things to anybody. All the other airlines cancelled their orders and didn't want them; had no practical use for them.
You claim that Air France and British Airways may have turned a profit... that's news to me, but if they did, they were the ONLY ones who made a dime off that plane. It was built at the expense of the British and French taxpayers. The governments invested in it in the hopes that they would lower the cost of manufacture and make them affordable to the airlines by building HUNDREDS of Concordes, and it would eventually be profitable once they revolutionized commercial aviation.
They lost that gamble. The 14 completed panes were sold to Air France and British Airways at a fraction of the cost of their initial development and manufacture. The governments wanted to recoup some of their losses on that fiasco, and the taxpayers ate the difference.
But built it was, so they may as well fly the damn things. They flew for 27 years, and when they went out of service that dream came to an end. But the Concorde was already a failure before the first one went into commercial service. That's why the United States cancelled their SST program before they built a single one. The Concorde failed when they couldn't sell them to anybody. Another of its kind has not been designed or built since.
It was beautiful. It was sleek. It was and still is the fastest passenger jet in history, and it was spectacular... a spectacular failure. Those kinds of industries are profit motivated. No bucks... no Buck Rogers.
There has been talk of bringing back the SST, and they know now what necessary technology needs to be developed... an engine that can propel a jet to MACH2 and somehow do it efficiently, and an air-frame that somehow doesn't create a sonic boom at those speeds.
I'm not holding my breath.
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Fractured fairy tale: I just responded but it got lost I.n Cyberspace. Mabye the Hive brain isnt all its cracked up to be . I will try again
Hee yeah Isnt that always the way when Countries get it in there Head to be the Innovators. Reminds me of the Space Shuttle and the "new era " That was Supposed to herald the beginning of .
And its always us we the people's who end up wearing the Cost .
Yeah "Profitable" Is a Subjective term they only started to make some money once they Realized no one wanted them . And they would have to Wright the Development cost off .
It was prolly the Last Horar of the British Empire. Before it slid Into Obscurity
They had flights for the average joe blow for Awhile. Kinda like joy flights would of been Cool to go on one . O to 100 down the Runway like a fighter jet .
Yeah oh well
Corwin: Well... in a way I'm glad that we still keep trying. For every successful new innovation there will be countless failures. And it takes an investment to play the game. And NOBODY has a crystal-ball.
Remember how the first airplanes weren't taken seriously in WW1. It wasn't until WWII that their potential was realized. The Wright Bros come up with this great new innovation and they're all scratching their heads wondering what to do with it.
Kind of the opposite of the Concorde... the airplane began as a "novelty" and ended up changing the world. The Concorde was supposed to change the world and ended up as a novelty.
I still remember as a kid (I was born in 1967), dazzled by the Concorde, and looking forward to the day when we'd ALL be flying in one. But a kid doesn't understand the economics or politics of that kind of thing; we just looked to the future with bright eyes.
We had recently walked on the damn Moon, when decades before we built planes made of wood and cloth. I was a little kid in a world where it seemed that we could accomplish just about ANYTHING.
Hell, they told us we'd see a man walk on Mars by the time I was 30. Here it is, almost 2020, and manned space exploration is practically dead in the water.
But... we saw other things unfold that they hadn't promised us. This amazing computer age for one.
We didn't see Man walk on Mars, but in 1976 we saw the Viking robots dig in the Martian soil and gave us some cool photos of what it WOULD look like if we were there. The Voyager probes gave us a fantastic tour of the outer solar system (that planetary alignment only comes around once every 176 years ). The Hubble space telescope showed us the universe like never before. We have phones in our pockets. We can watch movies without going to the theatre. Hell, I remember when changing channels on the TV without getting up off the sofa was a modern marvel.
So, all in all we can't complain. I'm still waiting for that flying car though. Harrison Ford had one in the movie Bladerunner, and that was supposed to be the year 2019.
Fractured fairy tale: Yeah forshore . What we really need is a De"Lorian Then we. Could have some fun
kittybobo34: Those flying cars may not be that far away, the new battery technology looks like it may change everything again. The power density of the quantum glass batteries is unlike anything I thought possible.
Fractured fairy tale: I Never Though Fying Cars would be much fun , What like In a Jetsons type thingy Who wants to live in the Sky connected by some pole to the ground All these things sound good in Therory but would you really want to live like that , Its like some one with a Kilo of gold going Oh cant wait till its worth 100.000 a once If that ever happed evey thing else would be Stuffed and Unlivable , That elon Musk Knows the dark realities where all this stuff leads , But they still keep Going , Who wants to live in Outa space , If we were ment to live there would of been put there
Just means Got to find some where else because this place will be stuffed
Fractured fairy tale:
This bloke makes the point well
All these Ideas are from out of control rich Eletes who are scared of there future
There not worried about any one else
That's not Progress It's Corruption
Like they fly around in there private jets lecturing everyone else about climate change. Oh I can't give up a private jet
Me no I'm one of the chosen ones you do it