costume PC build and mod
Lostconfession: So reading on some of this groups thread, I have built some system for myself and few friends.
Self: duo2Quad core 2.4 Ghz sandy bridge, Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P, 6Gb 1066Mhz O.C. DDR2, 3Tb Westerndigital HDD,Nvidia8900Gforce *old i know* with 4x Raptor fans in a Rosewell midtower ATX.
Friend: Quad i7 k2600 3.2Ghz (O.C.) Intel H67northern bridge mobo,1333Mhz 12Gb DDR3, 6Tb samsung HDD, Nvidia 560IT (afterburn), 3x raptorfan with 2x 400mm case fan, HAF coolmaster full ATX case
Friend2: Quad i5 second gen K2500 3.6Ghz(O.C.) MSI Z68 Nothern bridge mobo, 1333 @8gb DDR3, 2Tb HDD (16Gb SDD), AMD 6770 HD, 4x raptor fan with 2x 400mm Case fan, HAF 992 coolmaster Full ATX case, Blue costume grill paint and blue internal lights, DustFilter, Carbon fiber Bottom try 1,000Watt PSU.
I want to know who here has Costume built a pc?
the real slim DEEPy: i build pc's, never water cooled, never too uppity in the specs. im still running an 8800gt. i usually buy a prebuilt, tnen replace everything. i got a quad phenom 2.2 for 450, added the 8800 gt, swapped out the mobo with an asus, called microsoft to transfer the windoes lisence, and im now saving for an am3 processor triple core at 3.3 to replace the 2.2 dual i swapped the quad for (the dual oc'ed better). i also bought a lenovo with a pentium dual 3.2, and put my 8800 in it, for now, while im waiting for the new am3 cpu.
ive build pots of computers, but i usually start with a pre built, and start swapping parts.
instead of going for the quad at 2.4, i aswould get a faster dual core, its rare that you would use 4 cores, not for most use. look for a dual core around 3+ghz.
Lostconfession: I do scrap builds, I really never do pre builts because the mobo aren't the best thier is or usually Not to nessary to add extra for what I usually go after. I plan ahead when i do my built. I figure out what deals are good, what is needed, what i can cut corner on and where i can build a stronger built.
ASUS is a great board, i definatly love ASUS for gaming. Foxccon for Media or MSI for both. My gigabyte board ironicly isnt made much for media. Its an MIT board and allows you to OC with easy. In the BIOS i can configure the voltage output as well as the front bridge frequence. Change the count on and frequence and sup more voltage to the RAM. It comes with dynamic energy and easy tuner so i can set level for my processor and GFX card.
Just last week i decide to go get a new case, thermaltake progamer server case and upgrade the Nvidia and actually go with an AMD GFX the Radeon 6850 ICEQ by H.I.S. pre-OC to have a core clock of 820Mhz and shadowclock of 4200Mhz. I took it futher in my board and O.C. or S.O.C. to a close safe line 845Mhz in my coreclock and 4500Mhz shadow clock, Talk about thrashing.
Ive been play MS3, and NFS shift 2 with mini lags. I burned out my 1066MHZ DDR2 sticks trying to force more voltage and boost the mini 1000Mhz from my board. I was forces to go back to 800Mhz DDR2 @3gb :/ I forgot how expensive old RAM usually gets. I am right budgeting and searching for a coupon discount so i can get back to 4gb on 1066Mhz.
The duo2Quad was a friend quad core that he passed down to me after his expenisive gamer HP desktop took a corner dive off a 3foot desk. My old duo2core was clocked at 2.0Ghz O.C. was pushing 2.7Ghz. Now with the Quad core i push out 3.2Ghz But i would love to push more out of it but because my processor fan sounds like a jet ready to take off when gaming i want to go to water cooling.
Budget wise i can tell if i dont have a cool $300 to spend on stock parts for watercooling i wouldnt be able to do much. I see now in some stores they sell watercooling for the processor Only :/ That is cool but not too great. No telling if the coolent is of good quality, if the radiator is doing a good job or if thier is a leak. The price not one of my own choice either, $100 for a plate/pump and two covered hose and a single radiator with stock fan. I guess its just me on this lol i prefer to buy parts go costume get dirty work it out plan it out and test it out before its slaped on. Back them i remebered if you didnt have a CNC or metal builtel machine you wouldnt be able to do watercooling. Most of the other parts believe it or not comes from house hold plumbing or aquarium tank stuff. Now i see alot of mod store online and regular computer store selling watercooling stuff, spacer, plates, hoses, spliter (tree) and even coolent liquid with or without UV reactive stuff in it. Heck even computer case comes with ports to run pipes outside/inside the case, space for pump and reservoir.
the real slim DEEPy: corsair H50 is a good watercooler, and i do believe that the fluid is non condictive distilled water. I believe its been discontinued tho, but they still sell the H60, 70, 80 and 100- go for the 80 or 100.
this Coolermaster Aquagate Max unit looks good too, its cooled with etheline glycol/distilled water mixture-, which is relatively non-conductive- but its much pricier than the corsair models. http://www.coolermaster.com/upload/download/99/files/product_sheet.pdf
stick with the 800mhz ram, very few programs utelize ram speeds higher than 800mhz, not to mention, the fsb is shared between 4 cores, the the north and south bridge (pci/e bus, ram controller, hard drive interface, ethernet, usb, e-sata ect...). the fsb isnt dedicated to the ram, so there is no reason to have your ram run at full fsb speed.
Lostconfession: My mobo has a FSB at 1066Mhz, I really want to OC and push more out of my processor and my RAM so i have to match it to get the best proformance Beast it out. My AMD radeon core clock is at 230Mhz. But i can not push it any further with out having stablity issue then that because of the 800Mhz RAM. My board is a gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P (rev. 1.6) its an M.I.T. board so im able to "push the envelop" But i do not know the proper calculation to push the RAM and voltage.
I wanna do is get more out of it, OC and then sell it to get an upgrade and get an i5 2500k with an asus board lol.
the real slim DEEPy: the ram speed has nothing to do with the video card oc. it does, however, affect your cpu overclock. you could get 1066 ram, underclock the ram to 800mhz, and then overclock the fsb back up to 1066. most good ram will overclock, anyway. on my last build, i used 667mhz ram, and upped the fsb till the ram hit 800mhz, and it was stable, as long as i had a fan over the ram.
Lostconfession: the boards tie in are not in regular. For instants this board has issue with SCSI/ATA controller and it conflict with the network controller because they both are tied together , So if i connect any old IDE HDD, I lose driver and have a IQU issue with the network, The same is in reverse if i tether another computer or my xbox360 to my network and bridge it i lose driver and IQU with the IDE controll. This does not effect my SATA but it can be alittle annoying since i still carry around my old120GB samsung IDE HDD. Some how for some strange reason i can not OC my gfx beyond without OCing the RAM. Its tied in with the FSB and the FSB is already at 1066. Its at the proper thrashhold and i have to equal out the RAM to the FSB. I even looked at the manifacture list of RAM. i can enter up to 1333 aslong as its O.C. to 1344 and has to be a DDR2 which is impossible to find and would be Outragously expensive for atleast 2gb.
the real slim DEEPy: try an add on ethernet card.
if your video card is nvidia, you can underclock the video card with nvidia control panel, before you overclock the fsb. if it is an ati card, you can underclock the video card with catalyst control center.
Lostconfession: Yeh my mobo can function with Nvidia and i afterburn with MSI driver. But it does not support nvidia so i upgraded to an AMD (ATI) radeon 5860 gfx card. The card is OC so what im doing is supper OC. I do not unerstand what purpose would it be to "underclock" the gfx card. Would be like going backwards :/
the real slim DEEPy: if you underclock the gfx card thru catalyst, then oc the fsb, it woul,d bring the grx bacmk to stock speed, and not destabilize
Lostconfession: Ohhh i see. Hmmm i never had a destabilized system lol. But i see why thats a good thing to do. Less stress on the configuration.
Lostconfession: because i hacked the FSB with the 1066Mhz RAM. I burned the RAM by throwing to much voltage. 1066Mhz require 1..9Mvolt i to OC i throw 2 to 2.3Mvolt in the end it was to much and burned out the SMT resistor. Which burned out the sticks. Going bck down i ended up throwing off the configuration and dis-stablized the gfx. So i had to go back down to 820coreclock and 4100shadowclock
The radeon came pre OC so i was S.OC (Super overclocking)
Lostconfession: lol, ebay sells RAM spreader and ironicly i found a cool aftermarket RAM fan for dual stick, I should have bought a set but been to busy with other mods and cost. Im using 3 stick of 800Mhz Kingston RAMS at the moment. I had to downgrade my version of win7 from x64 to x86.
If and when i have money and time ill rebuy a newset of 1066 DDR2. Found a site that sell single 4gb stick or duo 2 stick for $78 which is cheaper then other online store's.
Lostconfession: Yep, New hardware are cheaper then older ones. My old board can not work with DDR3s. DRR2 are like DDR100,133. And later on price will go up and soon DDR3 will become like DDR2 lol. Its the way of the future hahaha
the real slim DEEPy: my old bild was an upgrade form a gateway prebuilt. i changed the stock mobo with an asus for overclockability, and traded the quad phenom 9500 for an athlon 4800+ dual for better overclockability. put a fan over my ddr 667 ram and oced it all to 800 ram speed, around 250fsb, and the propcessor from 2.2ghz to 2.7. ran great till i shorted the power supply out on the case after 2 years, so i sent my mobo in for repair, but still havent gotten an adequite processor to replace the 4800+ i blew.
in the meantime i bought a lenovo with a 3.2ghz pentium dual core that runs fast as hell and put an 8800gt gforce in it, till i get an am3 cpu for my old asus refurb board.
i cant oc the lenovo cause its a lenovo built mobo, but it already runs fast enuf, so im not worried about it. a new gfx card would make more of a diff than an oc'ed processor anyway, in my case.
Lostconfession: Right now im working on a new system. Some yard working at my dad work place found a tablet PC at the compound. Shell not so badly damaged but the battery and keyboard attachment is completely damaged. The tablet is a motion computing LE1600 by gateway 2006. the shell remarkable has only a chipped area where the battery slide into, did a spec background online to see what im dealing with, shell is a carbonfiber, kevlar with ABS plastic composite haha that is some touch shit. The screen is completely cracked but it loads up just fine I guess someone ran over it with a car or something.
I did open her up to do a match check on what it suppost to have from the spec list online: It has a
*pentium centrino M processor *1.8Ghz
* 2Gb 667 DDR2 RAM *PC -5300 ((Upgrade since the company only gave it 512 400Mhz DDR2 *PC -3200))
*80Gb ZIF HDD *1.8mm
*intel wifi A/B/G and bluetooth.
It doesnt have a diskdrive but has a PCI slot so i can get an adaption unit if i need one.
The only issue i got with is other then the screen is the ZIF HDD. I had to buy a special addapter on ebay so i can run scan with HDD regen. Half the HDD is true bad sector. No way of recovering any data and no way of booting it up. Replacing the HDD will be alittle hard since the only thing that use this kind of HDD are ipod classic/video and zune. Ebay hunt yelds them to be around $120 for 60Gb. But i do own a 120Gb ipod classic. Just ganna be hard taking the HDD out and doing that :/ i love my ipod haha.
The tablet came with a stylus specially made for it also busted, looks like the security dog got a hold of the stylus and chewed it to hell. ebay search yelds the cost of a new stylus to be around $50, a replacement battery $35, replacement screen $100. So im putting somewhat alittle in for it. Ill actually be able to use win8 on it. I ofcourse will use it acouple times to see how it runs then sell it. Make a good profit use it for a desktop upgrade ive been looking for.
the real slim DEEPy: i did put a fan over my ram, and extra intake and even more exhaust fans, when i oced the fsb and ran the 667 ram at 800mhz
the real slim DEEPy: i still havent replaced the lenovo oem mobo for overclocking bios featuers; however, i did swap the pentium dual for a core 2 quad 8600, and swapped the 8800gt for a 650ti.
the real slim DEEPy: faster ram speeds may also require a higher ram cl and other timings, not just a slight overvolt..- hence, the looser ram timings may negate the faster frequency, unless you have top notch ram that can function with tighter tmings
attitude_check_1: I personally wouldnt water cool one, but rather use a dielectric oil filled case with cooling coils on the outside of it, then you would have no need for fans and wouldnt have to worry about water leaks and you can O.C. the crap out of it and not worry about heat build up at all on your processors and ram. check it out it works great.
DEEP_acheleg: i recently built a new amd based gaming system-
gigabyte F2A88X-D3H mobo- a88x chipset, UFEI dual bios, 2 pci-e gfx slots (1 at x16, other at x4), 3 pci-e x1 slots, 2 legacy pci slots
athlon II 750k quad core black edition- 3.4ghz stock, oc'ed to 4ghz with x40 multiplier and mild overvolt. cpu was advertized to be 100w; however, bios and cpuid both denote 75 watts.
2x4 gb (8 gb total) pny 1333mhz ram oc'ed to 1600mhz, with minimal loosening of timings. total ram bandwidth at 3.2ghz in dual channel mode.
nvidia 650ti with 2 gb gddr5 vram and +133mhz factory overclock (1058mhz core frequency with 768 cuda cores).
2xWD 500 gb drives at 7200rps in raid 0, for a 1tb logical drive, which theoretically doubles read/write speeds
thermaltake 600w power supply with dual 12v rails (1 12v @23 amps, other 12v @ 20 amps)
7.1 surround with optical spdif out (mobo integrated audio, as my dedicated 7.1 card doesnt seem to have available win7 drivers )
due to the raid 0 and overclocks, it is fast as hell.
it installed windows 7 in 5 minutes flat, plays all my games at ultra settings and is lightning fast with internet downloads.
(Edited by DEEP_acheleg)