Martial arts (Page 7)
therocketeer: you're proved my point that you are a knowitall. i know what a nidan is, but you obviously took the opportunity to tell someone off. even if i didnt know, i could look it up.
p.s. if you dont want to sound like a know it all, dont post in paragraph form cause that's exactly how you sound.
lookinside_2: Hey buddy.. you might want to check your spelling before you try to tell people off. It just makes you look even more stupid.
You are TRYING to argue and make a point with people who know what they are talking about. You spouted off with your opinion which is worth shit. Just because your mommy tells you that you are right about everything and that you are so smart... don't expect the rest of us to do so, especially when both JeanYves and I have experience and time behind our opinions and FACT.
P.S. Gas pedal is on the left by the way... oh wait... maybe it was on the right side..
JeanYves72: I see by your profile that you are typical of youth. All wind, no substance rocketeer. People actually post in paragraph form to make it more easily readable, to break it up. I myself have never mentioned any grades I may have so I sure haven't said I was a nidan. I have been studying the martial arts longer than you have been alive and you, who have admitted no experience, have tried to tell me and lookinside that we have no idea what we are talking about? We who have many years of practical study of our chosen arts and also looking at other arts.
Nothing you have said rocketeer can be backed up by facts. You go by what...a phone book to state your opinion. Maybe you should actually do some real research and get practical experience before you try to tell those who have the background that they do not know what they are saying.
therocketeer: @jeanyves72 1. i never admitted to not having experience. 2. my point was that if you look in the phone book chances are you will not see the obscure styles mentioned. that is a fact.
@lookinside_2: i actually made some points. you didnt say anything about them, all you did was put them down, so obviously you are the one who's been told she is right about everything.
at least jeanyves72 had the character to stay on subject, not dismiss someone's point and attack their character unnecessarily. however, for demonstration purposes, i will follow your example lookinside_2
uke is block.
JeanYves72: Uke is also a term used in Aikido for the attacker/receiver of the technique. Just because the styles are no mentioned in a phone book does not mean they are obscure. Krav Maga is learnt by everyone in Israel when the do their compulsary military service.
therocketeer: that part of the message message was not for you, but uke can also mean block. jodan uke is high block for example. if it its not easily found it is obscure. that's what the definition of obscure means. most people have heard of karate judo and tkd, krav maga is relatively obscure.
JeanYves72: I have to ask though, do you know most people? So you saying they are obscure is really an uninformed opinion as people with any history in the martial arts are knowledgable about other styles. It's called being open to learning. Most people have heard of ninjutsu, Aikido, kendo, kenjutsu etc and yet not many are in phone books. The fact that several million Israeli's have studied Krav Maga and it's become quite popular in the west (actually what was used in the Bourne movies), you saying that it's even relatively obscure is just plain ignorance and arrogance.
therocketeer: it's not about who i know, it's about what is taught more. tkd is the worlds most poplar martial arts and i'm sure karate is rather popular too. you ask me if i know most people, yet you yourself claim that "most people" have heard of ninjutsu, Aikido, kendo, kenjutsu etc. so how is it that i cant claim what most people know, but you can? the fact is that those styles are not as popular as karate tkd and judo. that's common sense. you go to a foreign country and ask people if they know those styles and they will look at you like wtf? you ask them if they know about karate and there is a better chance they will say yes.
the fact that they are not as popular is what makes them obscure.
JeanYves72: In the 80's there was the ninja boom. World wide. I can guarantee that if I was to stop 10 people at random in the street most of them will have heard of these arts. Steven Seagal also popularised Aikido as he is, as far as I know, 7th dan in the style. I have an article on him in a Black Belt magazine from the early 80's so he is most certainly an authentic instructor. So many people have heard of the samurai and the samurai sword as it is most commonly called. So far from obscure mate. You really need to gain some real knowledge, experience. The young lady shows a depth of understanding that I find rare, even in my peers, so it may be needed for you to let go of your machismo and actually listen to her.
therocketeer: the other way around, you need to let go of your machismo and she needs to let go of her feminine machismo. (coined here first, i never heard that term before). you say you can guarantee, again, you are going against your own principle of not knowing "most people". you also failed to answer why you can make claims of "most people" but i cant. we werent talking about samurai and samurai swords. we were talking about obscure styles.
lookinside_2: I think you need to find a better word than obscure.
You seem to have too much pride to just admit that you are wrong here. Two people who have knowledge and experience are telling you facts and you continue to tell us you are right. You need to read more than a phone book to win this one buddy.
YOU may only be aware of a few systems but that does not mean the rest that you have no idea about are "obscure"... it just means you have a lack of understanding about the topic at hand.
JeanYves72: And you claim that because of the lack of listing in your local phone book that the styles other than TKD, karate and Judo, 2 of which are primarily sports, karate being, depending on the style and even sensei, either tournament or traditionally based and thus has more claim to the term martial arts. You claim styles are obscure yet you forget that they are not in their country of origin and even more so you try to make statements with no basis of fact to back them up. And as for lookinside, she is certainly showing no machismo (look up the term) as she is only stating what her obvious knowledge and experience which can back up her statements.
Your proof is a phone book.
therocketeer: @lookinside_2: you really have not proved me wrong here. what i brought up was not about martial arts, it was about how people post. so you're supposed experience and knowledge is irrelevant. obscure basically means something that is not mainstream, which includes those arts. again, open a phone book and tell me what styles you find and then tell me those aren't obscure. what happened to your lame car jokes? the funny thing is you say i have too much pride, but you are taking pride in (supposedly) proving me wrong.
@jeanjves72: you still haven't answered why you can use the phrase "most people" but i cant. yes, my proof is a phone book. i think it's fair to say that a lot of people started by looking in the phone book.
lookinside_2: I don't need to try that hard to prove you wrong, you are making yourself look stupid enough as it is...
How did you read the phone book? Your profile says you forgot how to read.... did your mommy read it for you?
Oh, and you keep using the same lame argument with JeanYves... is that all you can really come up with? Maybe you should have your mom read the list of available speech and argumentation tutors around your area out of the phone book. I'm sure she can find one that offers low rates.
therocketeer: again with the personal insults but not really having a point. if you dont even need t try that hard to prove me wrong, then why dont you do it? how did i read the phone book?...again personal insult. where is my lame car joke?
JeanYves72: Actually it is through advertisments, demos, word of mouth rather than the phone book that people find out about a martial art. Magazines and books even from the library. And of course the internet. Movies also play a small part as well. And really, the lady has no need to prove you wrong as you do so for her. You just don't see it. Caught up in your delusional world of knowing more than a female because you are a 'man' you don't see what is in front of you. By your claiming more knowledge than people with practical experience you are actually insulting us, not the other way around. Come on, your only argument in your defence is a phone book. I have met many people in my life, have been studying the martial arts since you were born, so I can safely say that the number of people I have met and known in your lifetime is sufficient for me to say most. That and my personal study of the martial arts besides my chosen ones.
I found my latest sensei though through a chance meeting at a store selling swords and he was a customer. So not many are done through the phone book as there are those who prefer word of mouth. You actually made claims which amount to you calling women here liars. All because you have taken your 'learned' opinion from your local phonebook. Lookinside is far from a liar and most certainly knows what she is talking about. So pull your head out of your arse boy and know when you are both outclassed and foolish and just admit you are wrong.
therocketeer: my point was that some people in this topic that claimed to know an obscure style think it makes them elite, based on the tone and content of their posts. this is relevant to their style being obscure, because the implication is that by choosing an obscure style, they are more discerning than the general population. and that most of these posters were girls. she took this opportunity to brag and i called her out and she hasnt really given me a satisfactory response. i didnt call women liars, what i said, or at least meant, was that anyone can claim anything on the internet, so what's the point of doing so? claiming to have trained in an obscure style just makes it less likely to be called out. it's that simple.but for the sake of it, i will admit i am wrong. just so you know i can do it, and so you can see how it's done. I AM WRONG. happy?
JeanYves72: Actually you saying it to prove a point shows that it wasn't honest. You don't think you are wrong so why say it? And what you class as obscure and through the method you have decided they are is valid proof of your arrogance and immaturity. I saw no bragging from her and your opinion on why women have stated the styles based on your source for the obscurity is plain stupidity. How can you make claims that they don't do the styles or the possibility that they don't exist when all you have done is look at a phonebook, a local one, and not actually done anything.
Really man, or should I say boy, give it up and leave the thread. All you are doing is proving me and lookinme right.
therocketeer: i was doing it to prove a point, i thought i made that clear when i said i would do it for the sake of it. you are looking at this from a martial artists perspective. if you look at it from the perspective of someone that doesnt know about martial arts, those styles are obscure. to me, just bothering to write down you took lessons competed and have rank is bragging. it contributed NOTHING to the conversation. it was purely self-centered. i actually did give examples, and if you care to, we can go through them. i never claimed they dont do the styles.
JeanYves72: Actually how can it be bragging when it is fact? A simple statement of facts. It actually lends credibility to the statements that are made. So does contribute. Besides, take a look at the title of this thread...the idea is to look at posts from a martial artist's point of view.
therocketeer: it does not contribute. lends credibility to what? they didnt say anything other than what they have done. just because you are familiar with a style does not mean it isnt obscure.
therocketeer: also...i can probably find you 10 different karate schools and 10 different tkd schools in my area, i'm not sure i can do the same for other styles.