A progressive 'noblesse oblige'
junyabee: A progressive 'noblesse oblige'
Putting the tools of those with a treasury of bounty of good will and intentions in a shadow, de facto logistical supply chain which is the surrogate governance for the venal temporal lack-of-governance of our secular, so called 'official' governing bodies.
swampandfire: privilege entails responsibility. there is tendency to get too abstract with topics like this. there are a million ways a shadow can behave but at the end of the day it's only a shadow. for it to be an issue it must be able to be homogenised and specified. in one and the same sense. so how do you homogenise a shadow and how do you specify it? you can't do either. which leads me to conclude its a matter of light. particularly sinister i admit because light is will. no will no light thats the objective. the birth of politics. spirituality? is the problem that no one wants to take responsibility? or is it madness?
junyabee: IF they have good intentions of beneficence to whatever level of altruism, then they could coordinate their good intention in a more formal, if not institutional structure. In that structure they'd be able to combine their not needed wealth into a Treasury through which grants and loans would be disseminated to those for whom the secular government is incapable or unwilling to support
swampandfire: i can't argue with that. but its money. i once believed money was the root of all evil. now i can't be bothered thinking about it. but i look at money like a shadow philosophically. the problem is a dis-communication. in a madness money needs to talk. thats the power of art. whats the one thing you can't do with money? burn it. the idea of to defeat is to excommunicate. its reminds me of the tower of babel, the way to burn real wealth is to excommunicate. i guess i am speaking of the spiritual dimension of money. but as the saying goes true wealth is within. i don't have the answer to tyranny. thats an endless why.
junyabee: I have no problem with your line of thought, tho' it seems to be a non-sequitor to this thread
swampandfire: i am unclear on what you mean as progressive 'noblesse oblige' do you mean a progressive lack of responsibility or what noblesse oblige means which is 'privilege entails responsibility?'
swampandfire: a progressive noblesse in my view would be something like the full actualisation of Marxist philosophy (not the the versions that came to prominence) but the mode of production becoming an absolute norm in other words a classless society. it may be utopian? but fundamentally wealth must be regarded as coming from within to be of real worth.
junyabee: You're right.. We can get picky on what the manifestation of the mechanics would be, but I agree with the intent of your description of its essence
swampandfire: so in order for a progressive noblesse to ensue it is my belief but wealth must be tied to the soul/or spirit. its a war of sorts because that gives money a spiritual dimension and thats not liked in all spheres. but the more i follow your teaching on this site i realise it is about the inner man that you say. and wealth is linked here. whereas objectivist knowledge fights with itself subtle knowledge aims at inner wealth. my question is is there not a requirement to become a philosopher of a kind to maintain a healthy stance toward life (like learning Kant for instance), because lack of education is myopic by design. how do we bridge this divide?
srbiddy09: junyabee: I love when people get deeply political or philosophical in the forum section of a chat website that exists primarily for people to talk about sex with total strangers and swap dick pics. LOL
junyabee: Goes back to eevents that startedd in Jan '60 and have continued in more frequent 'infrequency' at very fortuitous moments
srbiddy09: I wish I could say that the link made things clearer for me, but I am still confused. Also, your "story" seems to begin in January 1970--not January 1960, as you indicated above. Was this a typo or is time a "fluid" concept with you?
junyabee: 1970 was the explicit call to 'shit or get off the pot'. the exclamation point at the moment.. 1996-events were more profound... A dream followed in the next day by an affirming reproduction of the dream setting.. A phone-call the afternoon after I got deservedly fired that was for the job I'd been seeking to get..