HOW TO REALLY LISTEN TO PEOPLE - Best Life Advice | Jordan Peterson
FunkyBiscuits82: Lol That is completely true! You can learn something from anyone.
And effective communication doesn't involve only speaking, it also involves listening. I understand what he means about making someone's argument stronger, even if I don't agree with it. I think when you do that, you're attempting to understand what they mean and where they are coming from. Always a good thing to keep in mind when having a conversation with someone.
theHating: I listen to a lot of jordan peterson, people tell me you have to have a really high IQ to understand his position on anything.
FunkyBiscuits82: Hating, I don't agree. I am avergae in that regard, and I understand what he means, at least for the times I've watched him. I do notice that he takes the VERY LONG way around to getting to his point though.
theHating: @funky in my experience, an inability to explain something straight to the point is a sign that one is not very knowledgeable on the subject or obfuscating their position, which if made clear, would violate many principles of logic
FunkyBiscuits82: Hating, well, that's just incredibly wrong. Explaining something to the point is just for brevity and clarity. There is no limitation on how far into it you can go, but you do need to make the overall point known. Otherwise, you're just not being honest.
theHating: but you do need to make the overall point known. Otherwise, you're just not being honest.
This is something jordan peterson does not practice.
theHating: The problem is peterson comes off straightforward. It's a classic tactic in the psuedo-intellectual's tool-kit
FunkyBiscuits82: Hating, yes, he does. He takes the long way 'round, but he makes a very clear point. He sure did in that video. Many times. At least from my point of view.
FunkyBiscuits82: Hating, there is no tactic. He just says something and then explains what he said in great detail. This is straight forward to me.
Xrusaoros Pegasos: If you don't understand him but other people do, ever thought maybe its just you? Also, hes a college teacher, he has to be understood. You're not making sense to me.
theHating: “”You may say, 'Well, dragons don't exist'. It's, like, yes they do — the category predator and the category dragon are the same category. It absolutely exists. It's a superordinate category. It exists absolutely more than anything else. In fact, it really exists. What exists is not obvious. You say, 'Well, there's no such thing as witches.' Yeah, I know what you mean, but that isn't what you think when you go see a movie about them. You can't help but fall into these categories. There's no escape from them.
—Jordan Peterson making a clear, concise statemen
Xrusaoros Pegasos: I'm sorry that you don't understand Jordon Peterson. It's not paramount that you do. I posted the video for the principles in it, that's it. If you don't like him you don't have to watch him.
FunkyBiscuits82: "That's because jordan peterson thinks he is too good for it. " -Hating, Well, I would take more consideration over what he says he thinks than what you say he thinks. But, hey, opinions.
The quote you shared is one quote from a speech correct? I have watched several Peterson videos, I am not expert on the guy, but I know that using one quote in any of his lectures is leaving a lot out. Since we all know he can be wordy and far out there when he explains even simple points.
In that quote, he seems to be equating witches and dragons, and other mythical beasts, who are typically seen as harmful to us, as real life predators. Stuff we may claim to not believe in but when we're alone in a dark alley, we might still be afraid of...because we know predatory humans exist, even if they're not scaly, don't breathe fire, or fly on brooms. But Idk if that was his overall point, bc his lectures can go from A to xyz just to get back to B. Lol.
theHating: It's not a matter of whether or not I choose to watch peterson videos or internalize anything he says in a particular video. By no means am I trying to equate the principles of one lecture to his whole philosophical body.
I view peterson as a dangerous intellectual. I'm here to join in on any discussion as well as prove the statements above.
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