What do you think about genderfluid people? (Page 10)

tigermp125
tigermp125: ME TO I THINK ABOUT SUICIDE EVERY DAY AS DO HALF OF AMERICA .
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zeffur
zeffur: re: "flappes_flappy_ears: zeffur and tigermp125, you two are clearly narrow minded bigots. Nobody asked your opinion. Anything to do with God and the bible are nothing to do with it, and anyhow were written in the dark ages. And it's not an sti either. The disgusting people are people like you who are very offensive."

Yes, actually you did ask for our opinion: "What do you think about genderfluid people?" You shouldn't ask for what you don't want to read or you can't handle reading.

You also apparently know little about actual history. The bible was written well before the "dark ages". Use Google to get facts to displace the ignorance that is in your mind.

At best, gender fluidity is a mental disorder of a weak improperly trained mind.
At worst it is an excuse for being ignorant/stupid.
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flappes_flappy_ears
flappes_flappy_ears: @zeffur being ignorant and stupid is what you're good at mate. And if it was written before the dark ages, then there we are, it's even more outdated. Genderfluidity isn't a mental disorder, it's a state of mind. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean you know best. Don't diss what you don't understand. It's people like you that are stopping the world from turning. This is a support forum, not a lgbt bashing site. Kindly do one from this forum. Loser.
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zeffur
zeffur: Truth is never outdated--except in the minds of dummies--like you.

re: "flappes_flappy_ears: @zeffur being ignorant and stupid is what you're good at mate."

I'm neither ignorant/stupid & you are both, apparently. You're projecting your own characteristics on others, again. Given that I don't have any gender fluidity issues & you likely do, it's pretty reasonable to think that you are the one with a mental problem.

re: "Genderfluidity isn't a mental disorder, it's a state of mind."

It is a mental disorder that affects the state of mind--whether you're smart enough to understand that fact is likely another one of your dysfunctions.

re: "Don't diss what you don't understand."

I understand it well enough. It is similar to a more broadly defined condition called gender identity disorder/dysfunction--which is defined as disorders in which an individual exhibits marked and persistent identification with the opposite sex and persistent discomfort (dysphoria) with his or her own sex or sense of inappropriateness in the gender role of that sex.

re: "It's people like you that are stopping the world from turning."

The world spins/rotates on it's axis regardless of anything people say/do.

re: "This is a support forum, not a lgbt bashing site."

It is support to advise you to go get some serious mental help/therapy. People who tell you what you want to hear or who otherwise support your delusions aren't helping you--they are doing you a cruel disservice. Go get some help to condition your mind to think properly & stop entertaining fantasies that are different from what you actually are--which is your biological sex. Recognize & accept those things & ignore the delusions.

Good Luck!
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MessiahFartOwl
MessiahFartOwl: LMFAO @ ‘Use Google to get facts’!

RE: zeffur

I am not a well educated person and yet it has only taken me 30 seconds to determine that your statement:

‘It is similar a more broadly defined condition called gender identity disorder/dysfunction--which are defined as disorders in which an individual exhibits marked and persistent identification with the opposite sex and persistent discomfort (dysphoria) with his or her own sex or sense of inappropriateness in the gender role of that sex.’

…is a massive pile of steaming crock. The term ‘Gender Identity Disorder’, is no longer a medical term by definition of the American Psychiatric Association. It was replaced in whole in 2017 by ‘Gender Dysphoria’ as a diagnosis. This was to highlight that being transgender was NOT A DISORDER IN ITSELF.

Perhaps you should take your own advice and do some reading before you start spouting your archaic and closed minded opinions here. Nothing in life is ever purely 0 or 1. There are infinite possibilities inbetween.

It is also worth noting that treatment for Gender Dysphoria IS gender reassignment. The mind rules the body, not the other way around. Studies have shown that things like hormone therapy helps to reduce real mental disorders such as depression, anxiety and stress and therefore is key to improving the lives of people with Gender Dysphoria. Tigermp, as someone that thinks about suicide, you should be able to appreciate the benefits of this. Have some compassion.

Zeffur, I hate to say it, but I’m pretty sure the entire American Psychiatric Association knows a little bit more that you in this subject.
Statements such as:

‘Go get some help to condition your mind to think properly & stop entertaining fantasies that are different from what you actually are--which is your biological sex. Recognize & accept those things & ignore the delusions.’

…are therefore hugely damaging and ultimately wrong. The stigma, rejection, harassment and marginalisation of LGBT people destroys lives. You are attempting to force someone into being what they aren’t. You are the deluded one. People should be free to be who they are and express their opinions as they see fit – providing they don’t hurt anyone! Being transgender does not hurt anyone, however what you are spouting does. You are the one who needs help thinking!

Being born with Gender Dysphoria is no different that being born with a deformed foot. A deformed foot can be treated. Medication can reduce pain and lack of mobility etc, whist surgery can correct the deformity in it’s entirety. The same goes for people who have a female brain born in a mans body, or vice versa. Now before anyone criticises the above statement, I am not suggesting people with Gender Dysphoria are deformed, I’m merely trying to reinforce my earlier sentiment, the brain rules the body, not the other way around. If there was a correction for spina bifida for example, you wouldn’t expect those effected to go through life suffering with a debilitating condition instead of getting help would you? You also wouldn’t tell then to ‘condition their mind’ to accept the reality of their position. That is an almost sadistic view.

I would like to point out that I am a middle-aged, white, straight, able bodied male. I am not part of the LGBT community and am not otherwise considered from a disadvantaged minority. But I’m also not a total arse, which is why I share flappes’ views over yours. Any sort of racism, sexism, homophobia, or closed minded and cruel views of any other kind should be purged from this earth.

The world needs more love at the moment. We already have our quota of hate.

And before you start attacking me for trying to be an open minded accepting person, let me run a few names by you:

Georgina Beyer
Parinya Charoenphol
Valerie Arkell-Smith
April Ashley
James Barry
Loren Cameron
Lynda Cash
Angela Clayton MBE
Sir Ewan Forbes
Jan Morris CBE
Christine Jorgensen

… I could go on.

These are all current and historic transgender people. We are talking doctors, authors, physicists, activists, Naval officers, poets, surgeons, sports persons, ww2 veterans etc.
All of these people have made a much bigger contribution to society than either you or I ever will, so stop hating, stop being a dick, and just accept that this is how the world is and there is nothing wrong with it.
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flappes_flappy_ears
flappes_flappy_ears: MessiahFartOwl, wow that was a speech and a half! Thanks, for the backup. Much appreciated!

I also want to point out that I am in a very difficult situation, as both my parents are both rather insensitive and unaccepting. My stepfather is openly bigoted and biased, and is always making rude remarks about gay people, calling them f****ts and freaks, but says it's not so bad for lesbians for some odd reason. He also is very rude about transgender people and calls them freaks and crossdressers. My mother is more accepting, and isn't openly rude, and is OK with gay people, but is also very insensitive about other subjects. She thinks that bisexual people are greedy "like wanting the penny and the bun". The also sees transgender people for what they were before, like a transwoman will come on tv and she'll say, "oh, that's a man!". I also have a distant cousin who is trans, and my mother said about him "oh that's that girl who thinks she's a boy".
The whole situation upsets me every day as I haven't told anyone that I'm genderfluid, or now trans. How can I tell people that are so set in their ways this? So yeah you stupid haters, I am suffering every day. I'm spending every day as someone I'm not, and no longer want to be. I don't need mental treatment to make me accept who I don't want to be, all I need is acceptance. I've told all my friends on wire, and they have been accepting, but I don't know how I'm going to ever get 100% acceptance from my parents. Also, my mother, even if she does accept it, will probably tell me to keep it a secret and to only be trans at home, rather than explaining to people properly. She has a habit of manipulating me in this way, and know she would do exactly this.
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zeffur
zeffur: MessiahFartOwl: "...It was replaced in whole in 2017 by ‘Gender Dysphoria’ as a diagnosis."

They can change their label as often as they wish--it doesn't really matter--it's a mental problem & everyone knows it.

Sex is immutable (unchanging) because it is forever established in a person's chromosomes--outward appearances & confused/delusional mental states don't matter when it comes to the truth of biological sex.

Gender is a behavior choice. A person can behave as masculine or as feminine (or even some combination of both) as s/he wishes. Surgically removing one's sex organ & taking hormones doesn't change a person's real sex--any honest person knows this--regardless of the level of physical changes that may manifest due to the abnormal level of hormones used.

The real issue is: is it better to recondition a person to accept his/her real sex or to support her/his fantasy about being the opposite sex? In the end, I'm of the camp that believes it's better to treat a person honestly than it is to dishonestly support their fantasies/delusion. To me that is far more humane & compassionate than pretending with them, assisting them to deform their bodies unnaturally, & doping their bodies with abnormal levels of hormones to help mask their true sex.

I believe the basis of their gender issues is the guilt that they feel towards their queer desires & actions. I think some of them think that if they make a physical change then they will really become the opposite sex & people will accept them that way & then their guilt will go away--the truth is that that doesn't work--because deep down they know their real sex & they know they have chosen to pervert it & to decide to behave in whatever abnormal gender role that they wish--and that guilt doesn't go away. Many of them will still feel rejected by the majority of society due to their queer choices & that realization will cause them to be depressed--even suicidal for some of them. Those that are delusional were likely delusional before their gender op & will likely remain delusional after it. If your sex reassignment treatment is the panacea that you pretend that it is, then we shouldn't see such people committing suicide--which they apparently still do src: https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/sex-reassignment-doesnt-work-here-the-evidence

So, you see, you aren't really doing them any favors by supporting their fantasies/delusions. Psychiatrist may be trying out their theories for a time, but, in the end the truth will never change...

p.s.: You aren't being more compassionate by supporting their queer decisions & behaviors by helping them to put on a pretend sex--you're really just pandering to their queer abnormalities/delusions. What they need is therapy to face & accept reality & adjust their behaviors accordingly.
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flappes_flappy_ears
flappes_flappy_ears: Zeffur, I'm sorry, you're just a bigoted knob. As I said the other day about a group of nasty trolls "you can't educate stupid". Do us all a favour and leave this chat. If you can't accept modern life, and modern opinions, then keep your opinions to yourself.
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zeffur
zeffur: Undoubtedly that's the excuse you use to blame everyone who tries to offer you the truth, right??
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flappes_flappy_ears
flappes_flappy_ears: Zeffur, the truth in your eyes possibly, and all the other bigots. All the irrelevant people who don't care a damn about others feelings.
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zeffur
zeffur: The truth is the truth regardless of your ignorant opinion. The truth doesn't care about feelings at all.
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flappes_flappy_ears
flappes_flappy_ears: zeffur, people like you always talk a load of rubbish, so get off this forum, you stupid troll!
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zeffur
zeffur: So you're just another truth hater who is trying to deceive others who may be as clueless as you about the truth, huh?
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flappes_flappy_ears
flappes_flappy_ears: No you're just an idiot trying to upset others in my position. I don't know who you think you are, but you aren't anyone of any relevance, and you obviously know damn all
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flappes_flappy_ears
flappes_flappy_ears: I care about the LGBTQ+ community, I do not care for narrow minded, sorry, closed minded bigots, thank you very much
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Michael 
Michael: Play nice please.
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zeffur
zeffur: I generally do until truth haters go on the attack. lol
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MJ59
MJ59: Wow zeff your insults sure get around mate
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zeffur
zeffur: I'm generous.
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MJ59
MJ59: I can see that....
Jesus rules hey!

Or aliens, or talking donkeys n snakes... or somethin
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zeffur
zeffur: That ?girl/guy? is just like you--a hater of truth.
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MJ59
MJ59: So glad you are a paragon of verity!
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zeffur
zeffur: I do what I can to help people know the truth & accept it rather than pretend it isn't true.
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MJ59
MJ59: Yep, sure, using OT or NT?
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zeffur
zeffur: I use all truth regardless of it's source.
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