What do you think about genderfluid people? (Page 8)

flappes_flappy_ears
flappes_flappy_ears: Here's a story, which I believe is what started everything off. When I was 12, nearly 13, my mother said something about going outside in the garden. It was early March, and very cold. So my mother mentioned it, and I said , "I don't know, it's a bit cold isn't it?" And she said "oh for God's sake!" and I said what? and she put her head in her hands and said "you're too soft!" and I said "well I'd rather be soft than hard" (I had always been a bit behind mentally and liked somewhat girlish things, I'd never been a very boyish boy) and she said "no you're a man you've got to be tough" I had never heard her say anything like this before, and I still don't know why she said it. I know this sound quite irrelevant to the subject matter, but it was certainly what made me lose trust in my mother. A few years later, not long after my 16th birthday, I realised something was different about me, and I wondered if I was trans. However, I wasn't 100% sure, and slept on it for a while. Then about a year later, I googled something, and saw a forum about genderfluid people sharing their stories/feelings etc. I realised this is what I was. I worked out I was about 60% female & 40% male. I stayed about the same throughout 2017/18, however this year I feel about 85% female, and think I'm probably trans. I hate being referred to by male pronouns as a result, and usually refer to myself as they. I changed my hair over easter, and certainly look more female, however weirdly my mother hasn't realized. I live in a very irritating sexist environment, where my mother is always saying things like "that's more a man's thing" or "those are girls things" etc. and due to the gender stereotypes that seem completely outdated, I feel completely miserable as a result. I tried to tell my mother last christmas, but she completely misunderstood, and seemed to think I was talking about mental problems or something. My stepfather is also very bigoted with lbtq+ people. He is another reason, as he's always saying things to my mother like: why are you carrying that? Nick will do that, he's twice as strong as you (I'm not actually,he's just exaggerating I'm actually weaker). And for some reason, in everything I do/say my mother is always looking for stereotypical male reasons why I'd be doing something. I mean like I help her to do something, she thinks it's something about respecting women, not simply wanting to help. I was brought up in this gendered environment. I honestly don't know what to do next.

Anyhow, this is my story.
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Scarcastic
Scarcastic: Flappes, I'm sorry you have to deal with such a toxic environment, I can relate a lot to some parts of your story. I've had to listen while my dad launched into an hour long rant about how he thinks "transgender people are the dumbest people on earth" etc. The truth is, in many cases it's a phobia, they are afraid of what they don't understand, and instead of trying to embrace it they hate it because it's scary to them, which is sad. At the same time, I have also seen my dad set aside his homophobia though, when an openly gay neighbour was crying because he got a phone call that his father was dying, my dad actually went over and hugged him and encouraged him until he stopped crying, right out beside the road while cars were driving by, I was shocked to see it because I know it was very uncomfortable for my dad, he doesn't even like hugs, but my dad's father had passed away the year before so he related to the neighbour and it touched him, and really my dad is a very caring person at heart, so he set aside his phobias to go over and try to help. It was really touching to see, and made me realise that not every homophobic person really has a hateful heart, some just ignorant and afraid. Still, I know how hard it is to be in a family that doesn't know and wouldn't understand/want to accept who you are. I've never told anyone in my family that I'm genderfluid. Just know that you're not alone, because regardless if your family gets it or not, there are others out there who do
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flappes_flappy_ears
flappes_flappy_ears: That's really interesting, and really good advice scarcastic
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Angry Beaver
Angry Beaver: You also have to realise that people of my generation (baby boomers) were raised in a different time and although we have tried to be different to our own parents, we still have a lot of mental baggage which was imposed on us as children, I support my son 100% but still struggle saying he and him, it's not disrespect, just a mindset that I need to alter.
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Leda Muir
Leda Muir: In the past you were scandalous if you said I'm homosexual or genderfluid. I am a Millenial and since I was 14 bisexual but the respect for people with a other sexuality grew and when I was 16 we had at school a show where I played in and had to kiss a girl which turned a bit else than expected because I was from wow more and kissed her deeply.

It isn't such disaster so genderfluid is for me ok because it is only dress and act to the opposite gender
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Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: Now you think your Trans gee big Supprise .
Monkey see monkey do.
Its starts off in Primary school with some big birdess wierdo hanging around little kids . Dropping all these Innuendos and Cleshes . Why don't they just get rid of the ADL . Its a Conspiracy
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Leda Muir
Leda Muir: do they just call me a trans?
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flappes_flappy_ears
flappes_flappy_ears: @fractured fairy tale, is it just me or are you being a bit disrespectful to trans people?
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Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: I donno it could be you flappy what happened to tolerance.
I said its Manifestly wrong to push the transhumanism Agenda to primary school kids .
Kids learn from example . You have to be 18 to vote 18 to drink Alcohol. Because there still developing. Pushing the LGBT studf and 30genders on kids is just wrong.
Is it just me or are you disrespecting young Kids
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flappes_flappy_ears
flappes_flappy_ears: @fractured no I'm not disrespecting young kids at all. I am just a believer in the stupidity of pushing genders onto kids. Not specifically the gender, but trying to force them into boxes that they don't fit in. It's like trying to put a square peg into a round hole. I should know. I was born male, but up until I was 16 I didn't realise that I didn't fit into the boxes. And it is difficult as both my parents think there's a huge division between male and female, when in reality there's a very fine line. As I said, I am not disrespecting kids, but I feel that kids should be free to be interested in what they want, etc, rather than be told "oh no you can't like that, that's not for boys/girls" as if it's ridiculous.
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Scarcastic
Scarcastic: Well said flappes 💯
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Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: That's fair enough flappy thats your story.
And I can't help thinking you could be a victim of the whole Agenda
Because you said up until you were 16

Regardless of all that . Its a definite agenda that's being pushed .
There is only two genders flappy Men cannot conceive children . Its biologically impossable . Plus its how Society works
Or used too . I can't help worry about the future of mankind . If this is going to be the Norm
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flappes_flappy_ears
flappes_flappy_ears: @fractured that's called sex, not gender. Sex is what parts you're born with etc. Gender is what you are mentally. They don't always align.
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Leda Muir
Leda Muir: In the past, it was from a girl plays with dolls and a boy with toy cars because we had the image that baby dolls were for females and cars for males only nobody thought that girls also like to play with cars or boys with dolls and on the toys is nowhere mentioned that it is for 1 gender.

As kid I had a toy kitchen and i had a male friend which played with me into that toy kitchen but it is a kitchen it isn't that men later don't cook if they grow up or that a woman can't repair a car because when I was 16 I did Motorcross and knew to win a lot of trophies only it is such a stereotype like women can't fix a car and oh they need to take care for the baby.

I remember i was 15 when I found out that I am a bisexual because I was in love on a friend of mine which was a girl, she gave me a chance and my aunt saw me kiss my gf so I was in panic when she simply said what is so bad at it Leda because here your heart it knows love and it gives love to someone and even it is to a girl she gives you her love back isn't that where love is about.

I still love cars and motors a lot but do they need to tell me from hahahaha Leda you can't fix a car or a motor because those trophies proof I can else i wasn't able to win those but years they have the image from women take care for the kids, do the laundry, cook and clean when the men go working and bring in the money but we women aren't dumb and also can perfectly do a job but sexism degraded females for years as weak being not being able to work and do male jobs which is wrong.

As a teenager, I was an IT person until one day I was in a bad mood and I put everything down at work. I refused to make all the software available for the company I worked in so they said Leda you are fired which end in a disaster because they said Leda is an IT person so she can get into the system and shut all down which i did being pissed. I still remember them begging to unlock the software because it contained important files needed to run the company but so they saw never underestimate a female because even they can hack or do male jobs
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Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: We are the Robots
lol
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flappes_flappy_ears
flappes_flappy_ears: @fractured not funny
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Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: No its not Theres a verry malignant sprit behind all this LGTB or whatever it is

Someone back there gave you the biblical meaning of the .Rainbow
That's what there Using as the Cymbal

Its antichist . But I don't want to get intro what I think of the people . Cos thats what they want us to do argue cause devision

God created Mankind and the devil will do whatever to destroy that Creation

I will leave it up to you flappy
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flappes_flappy_ears
flappes_flappy_ears: @fractured, are you related to Zanjan who posted earlier? She had this stupid religious nonsense. When are you going to wake up and realise that God doesn't exist? And LGBT is nothing to do with the devil or antichrist. It's people finally breaking free of the stupid sexuality/gender binaries that people have pointlessly followed for generations. It's only been the last 30 years that people have finally accepted gay people fully, and less for trans. People have only started breaking free from the rigid regimented norms since 2014, and it's the future. If they want to follow with the way things have always been, so be it. If they want to be completely different, that's up to them. It's not up to biased people like you to tell everyone that it's the devil's will etc. So if you don't like it, kindly leave this conversation.
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Angry Beaver
Angry Beaver: Shhhh ya can't say there's no god lol
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Scarcastic
Scarcastic: You can't say there is one either, which is exactly what you do when you say being LGBT+ is evil. I can just as easily say being straight is evil.

Truth is neither is evil, it's just people being themselves...
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pelicandiving
pelicandiving: Very well written Ms Flappes.........
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flappes_flappy_ears
flappes_flappy_ears: @angry beaver - sorry for the God comment, it just gets on my nerves when people try to justify their biased opinions (or anything else for that matter) on God etc.
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Angry Beaver
Angry Beaver: That's OK, I was just funnin
All good
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Leda Muir
Leda Muir: you just need to be like you love it, are you female and enjoy to act like a man why not because at our birth we can't choose it isn't you are sperm and there is a 1-way boy the other girl. We are a cell it gets fertilized and we grow to a boy or girl depends on what cell is fertilized but not always are we how we feel us.

1 thing: LOVE = LOVE
it doesn't matter from who you get it because so long you can give and receive love, what is the problem?
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MynameisFrank
MynameisFrank: Hi all, I want to give my opinion on this by going off a comment made on this page.
-" that's called sex, not gender. Sex is what parts you're born with etc. Gender is what you are mentally. They don't always align."
To me that's a good way of putting it , but I'm coming from a different angle. I personally don't really even believe in the concept of 'gender' because I don't believe in stereo types. I think like this comment says that male and female (sex) is just what parts you have. I do not believe there is a set 'way' that a male or female should be. Now that doesn't mean I think a male should try to give birth or anything . I accept that males and females have different parts that do different things and that's just part of being alive regarding which parts you were born with (if you were born male or female really doesn't matter - it just means what body parts you were born with that's pretty much all 'sex' (male and female) actually means. And yes there are people born with defects yes but if you aren't born with a defect then you are obviously going to be born either male or female. And what I mean by that is that you will be born with one lot of body parts or the other unless you are born with a physical defect. Male and female are just words used to identify people by which parts they are born with. This is basic biology . We call males people born without breasts that have the ability to produce milk that have a penis and females have vaginas and can usually get pregnant - where as a male can always never get pregnant because of the different body parts we have called male and female. And also we all have different hormones etc and males don't get a period etc - we all know this. But my point is that other than these physical differences I do not believe there is anything else that makes a female female and vise versa. I do not believe in stereo types.
To me there is no such thing as 'male clothes' or female clothes' there's just clothes that people wear for different reasons. And i don't believe in when people say things like ''oh that's a girls drink'' or ''males don't act that way'' etc . That is stereo type rubbish in my opinion.
If you are born a male and feel like a female , then you have to ask yourself exactly what you mean by that? because the only thing that makes you male or female is body parts. And I'm not sure if this has ever been pointed out in this way before to be thought about? If you are a male then what is stopping you from dressing or being how you feel mentally? And same with a female that says they don't feel like a female mentally. There is nothing that mentally constitutes male and female other than stereo types of what some people in society think a male or female should live like. And if you don't want to identify as any one specific 'gender' then to me that just says that you are someone that agrees with what I'm saying without knowing. Because I'm saying there is nothing that defines male and female other than body parts and societal stereo types so just be however you want to be or feel like is what i would say. There is no such thing as a 'real man' -the only 'real man' is a male that is an adult - that's it . people that say a 'real man' likes sport or does this or that are just idiots. That's stereo typing. I think it's sad that the concept gender even exists because it shows me that people couldn't just be accepted as who/how they are regardless of if they are male or female. But I'm trying to say that you don't need the acceptance of idiots like that. If they wanna be stereo typing pricks then just have nothing to do with people like that is what i'm kinda saying. Don't waste your time with mean, judgmental idiots that think in stereo types.
Also I mean to offend no one with this comment and I am literally sorry if I have.
(Edited by MynameisFrank)
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