y isn't the world the way i think it's supposed to be? (Page 3) chrisdlion: I talked to an Indian warrior who died in the early 1800's and he was shot by a blue coat and he said he was going to die, and i asked him if he had a chance to live his life over again what would he do different , he said i would of treated my wife better and to of told her more how much i loved her, and then i sent him to his death and i asked him where he was now, he said im in a place where its dark and so many spirits are here ready to leave out again on another journey ,, even a so called savage indian as we use to call them looked for the love!  near50ohoh: mine is a bit more this life oriented but i've sat at the bedside of many who knew they were dying and every one, no exceptions, spent their last penny of thought on that very subject near50ohoh: we may come from different views, places but interesting thing is we arrived at the same perfect place. none better chrisdlion: this very true, and when they asked Jesus before he died what they the world should do what would be the last advise he could give to man , and he said'' to love your emenies and to love one another! near50ohoh: love and peace were his biggest messages and are in the tenants of all major religions it's too bad humanity doesn't try harder  snaggletooth007: Near 50ohoh the reason the United States is a leader in the study and development of life saving pharmaceuticals, is because the producers of said life saving pharmaceuticals are interested in profit. No profit no production, unless the gov. puts a gun to the head of scientists and force them to work for little to no profit.Whatever your profession, I'm sure you want to get payed the highest fees available for your services. If you say "no" you are lying. Do abuses of the system exist? Of course, but the alternative is being forced to work for the gov. on there strict terms. That's not where I wan't to live. As far as your liberal arts degree goes it hardly makes you an expert on quantum theory.As for you chrisdlion, you just keep up talking to the dead and leave the conversations of substance to the living. Thank you and goodnight or day whatever the case may be.
near50ohoh: wow didn't know that was my degree. oops and i'm good with after life discussions of the spirit so don't stop on my account, chrisdlion snaggletooth007: I consider psychology, sociology, philosophy, history, humanities all to be liberal arts. Perhaps I'm wrong. I still think you don't know didley about quantum theory, just as I don't. Stick to head shrinking. chrisdlion: like i said theory's are just that , a guess or thought without proof,, thats where dreams come from, and what does it accomplish in the real world, not much cause its not real its a theory a big fat guess someone wanted to make up , like santa claus and the easter rabbit! (Edited by chrisdlion) near50ohoh: seems really relevant considering the two posts before me. one tells me they are aware of who i am in real life and all i've read studied and know.(snaggletooth007) and the other soul i'd like to hear more from that i totally agree with by the way who says that theories are basically wind. (chrisdlion) absolutely correct. also true that no such thing exists under the sun as proof. we are not God,we just believe in him and leave the ultimate wisdoms in his hands..since some of these so called hard sciences are really new themselves, even many so called experts know very little. so why can't we discuss what we've read. knowing this is NOT a peer reviewed forum by any stretch of the imagination. by the way, snaggle ,have not seen your CV either. maybe your stephen hawking for all i know, maybe i'm sagan.. how would we know? but i do know this is not even a science forum  unicorn350: To everyone that has cared to read and post on this thread, my deepest gratitude goes to you. I apologize for my neglect over the past year, througout which i've learned and seen ways i'd never expect myself to enter my consciousness. Coffrey, i've known better than to try to be something i am not. My concern was, or still is, that i am being myself too much, yet as a human being, i regard every person's constitution as inherently powerful and malleable. and sometimes, it upsets me a when i see that in a person more than he/she does. therefore, i'm not one to conform, but i watch. Zanjan, if you do everything the opposite of what everybody else is doing, you might also be heading toward deviance I agree with what you said, though. I've put up an amount of fight to understand myself. i loathe living in effortless comfort. I don't let myself off easy, and i have goals. And i love the beauty of life to the point of unspeakable pain. your words in your second post were so spot on. I do feel 'detached,' as if i seeing everything from above. but i am disconnected at the same time, which doesnt necessarily mean i fail to pay attention to the happenings of the world. and yea, it's important how we see ourselves as part of the world, and what we can do with it. Wonderbunny, your kind words would've been so enlightening if i had seen it earlier. that is exactly what i am doing now, or trying to do. Diolover, i'm glad you found some semblance of yourself in my post. The unthinking is warped, but, idk if in your case they're the majority. I agree with you that those in high positions are deft manipulators of moral values. though, some institutions that have made human life much less chaotic than it would have been are better there than not. Life is too short to dwell on the hate  diolover71: . Buddhist quote"The greatest action is not conforming with the ways of this world" Jesus' If you do not speak out,even the stones will cry out". I have to be honest; hatred has been my favorite addiction all of my life.It is not an easy crutch to let go of.I can acknowledge that it does not benefit me.You are right. I do also believe that I have a very accurate perspective on society,I have been around and seen many things that the average person hasn`t.I wouldn`t have believed it if I had not experienced it myself and I feel very strongly that the truth must be told.I have to make sure that my speech isn`t fueled by anger. unicorn350: diolover, i understand more now, and i have no reason to doubt that you had a well-informed perspective on human society. hatred is a powerful propeller. it can really take you to amazing realizations and vast dimensions of feelings, and it drives you to achieve things inconceivable. i know how it is to have experienced things and feel them so deeply and you habitually see through pretense to and get straight at the core of everything. it's a valued asset, sometimes a burden too. i wonder if by 'hate' you meant bitterness. They both harden you up, but there's only so much hate one could endure before it plants evils in him. if it's hate that's your addiction, just remember to leave some room for love and wonder. i'm certain that someone with such discerning eyes is able to see and feel the sweetness in life and the universe, and, there's no need for anyone to end up being hate-filled. frankly i don't even know why i'm giving advice here, since i find myself living a life of contradictions. but, if there's chance, i'd love to hear more about your worldviews and outlooks. i'm lovin the exchange of thoughts here, btw. chrisdlion: I want to say that i as a American cannot know what you feel being invaded by terrorist as you all were at the recent attack during the Marathon, since we in California and nothing yet has happened, but you of New York , Boston, Kansas, and others more than i will mention i just cant imagine the fear now you live with which is a life long eye opener,, as for as bitterness and hate , its like asking, ''is a comitting an act of sin or wanting to commit the act in your heart any different, not according to Jesus, so i feel that both are a differnt measure of the same thing,, these feelings come from a root of something traumadic in a person in a early age or recent age,, it grows like a small seed blooming into a poison Ivey in your heart ,, you find excuse in your feelings saying to yourself ''i just hate this or that or say this makes me mad then this happens or when this person is like this, but you notice not everyone feels the same way you do , first off the no one can make you feel anything you allow yourself to make you feel, this way, you own those feeling or you let them go,, Anger is something we all have but we shouldnt allow it to consume us and allow to grow into something bigger,, why people do unforseen things and hurt other is because of conditioning and programing,, one person will speak and who ever begins to own this into their life is responisable for the outcome, of their own actions,, my point in my life, isnt to judge others but to set someone free of those issues that makes them feel they need to keep owning the evil they decided to own in themselves, its like owning a boat, the first day your happy about getting it then you spend the rest of your life trying to get rid of it, and you cant just push it to the side of the road you own it and you will suffer the results of leaving it to the side , fines tickets and charges but if you (forgive ) burn the boat or destroy it it now has no owner or is passed on to continue the same cycle, this the same with emotional pain and events in our life we own them until how long , we try to pass it on to someone else and thinking we are free it comes right back to bite you,, all im trying to say is the past will allways come back to play a huge part in the present or future and if we are carring around something evil, bad,shamefull, and even guilt, we have to eliminate this with the fire of forgivenes, Jesus said to forgive your enemies, not just people but the act of evil, forgive everything that is attached to a act of evil,, forgiveness is the hardest thing to do in life but owning a evil or expressing our feelings of pain and evil is the easiest thing to do , but it doesnt change who we are as a person but it does to what we feel about ourselves as we life our lives with others! (Edited by chrisdlion) diolover71: Unicorn,thank you for your tolerance and humility.You have very softly and gently put me in my place.I am sorry for being so defensive. I have been through the system on the ground level,drug rehabs,prison,homeless shelters,and mental health facilities and those of us who have been to these places have seen "behind the curtain".These institutions are the "final blow"for most people,after a life time of abuse. Chrisdlion your insight is perfect! Very impressive.How could you know this unless you have not only experienced it,but also took the time for self analysis.Yea it does start at childhood.Some of us become violent or macho because we have been made to feel ashamed and inferior when we were small and vulnerable.We develop the attitude that no one is going to abuse me again. I have found the most absurd excuses to judge and criticize most of my life.This has been my"conditioned" way of venting my pain as well as avoiding looking at how I felt about myself.Through meditation I have had to remember all of the harm that I have caused in this world.Very painful! I have come to realize how much I hated myself;Not that I love myself now but at least now I am able to analyze myself without wincing,ha ha. chrisdlion: I myself do not not know what your pain is like by experience, i only know through what i do to help others renew a a life left to them to continue with, i work as a clinacal Hypnotherapist and i have heard and learned to put myself in others shoes but that can not be done,, i see the inner war people go though after years of abuse and then when the perpetraitor dies the abuse continues with the one that was abused , and it continues through oneself,, like women who are abused by women , then the man who abused them dies or runs off they continue the abuse by finding yet another man to abuse them, and by that time they accept the idea in their mind that its the way things are and they have no hope of happiness '' im damaged goods'' but through Hypnotherapy you have closier and freedom of everything that have ever went through and given a direction of positive and healing ides for your life,,, i have found that Bi Polar is a name for ''im angry at the person who abused me'' but im not going to accept the idea of help because i get the attention through doctors and friends because of my sickness, never wanting to confront the issues and setting themselves free,, you are your own prison and prison guard and judge !inner forgiveness is the cure to pretty much everything mainly to yourself,, and when people have issues they cant see the light on the other side because they are so consumed by self pitty and the desire to be loved and to find happiness and when it doesnt come on their terms they build a wall and whip themselves down carring on the abuse of the person who put it there in the first place,, all i want to say is everything is possible if you allow it , but if you use the two words in any language as a way of life ( Try and Maybe) you will never make a move to change, eliminate these words from your mouth and mind and you can make a change in a rapid time, there is Yes or NO , nothing else ! beleive me i dont judge but give real testemony to what i have seen and learned and everything is curiable everything! near50ohoh: true understanding can only come from walking in the shoes of another, but feeling hurt or betrayed by those who should have cared for us is a common condition unfortunately. and often ends up with the system feeding off our grief even more by institutionalizing us and putting us back in the care of those who hurt us the first time round. can't tell you what will work for you but sometimes going to a new place at least gives you a fresh set of possibilities. at least you don't see the same smug faces. just remember every where you go you go so try to think differently in some way. these aren't platitudes i promise chrisdlion: Remember near50ohoh, when you reply to ignorance, then your lowering yourself to the one who shows it,,with Ignorance,,, near50ohoh: my new thread will tell you my views on bad behaviour in a chat site. first post. please review my sarcasm at your own leasure go to ok, i have a big mouth?!! on off topics. i have nothing further to say. thank you chrisdlion, i'm on it. luv ur support and encouragement | Self-Improvement Chat Room Similar Conversations |