Creationists know nothing about science

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Rick Prime: It is frustrating and hugely pointless arguing with creationists about science. All they do is fog the conversations with copy pasted blogs and YouTube videos from Christian creationist sites. Creationists are NOT allowed to post here since their offerings are often off topic and rubbish nonsense.
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Rick Prime: The list of Blackshoes’ unanswered questions or responses to Harp

1. Respond to my critique of your recent blog by Eager and Mackay. (MA 1119)
2. List the false accusations that you claim were made. (MA 1119)
3. Show me where I have ever rejected the 'facts' without reason and evidence. (MA 1120)
4. Justify your claim that Abiogenesis is impossible in the face of Tour’s declaration that it can’t be said to be so. (MA 1120)
5. Rebut three critiques of 2 creationist blogs on ERVs. (MA 1121).
6. Find a genuine quote of an evolutionist claiming that mankind evolved from apes about a million years ago (MA 1122).
7. Which areas if evidence for evolution do you want explaining? (MA 1124)
8. What stops macroevolution and what is the evidence that kinds exist and are truly separate?.(MA 1124).
9. Is Tour wrong when he says that he can’t say abiogenesis is impossible.? You have never answered his clear statement that it isn't. (MA 1124)
10. What is wrong with the ERV evidence? (MA 1125)
11. Give me the evidence that orphan genes disprove common descent (MA1125)
12. Give the place where the answers to the evidence against ERVs and abiogenesis are to be found in the last video you just presented (Math vs Evolution 12) (MA 1125)
13. Rebut the critique of the Fish-Land Fossil fraud (MA 1127)
14. In response to your claim that I had not provided one single answer to anything that had been posted you were asked to specify anything I haven't answered so I can answer it (MA 1127)
15. Where are the answers in the video that you claimed contained them? (MA 1125)
16. What effects of Hox genes do I deny (MA 1131)
17. Where have I denied the reality of orphan genes? (MA 1131)
18. Where have I denied the difference between micro and macro? (MA 1131)
19. Which parts of the geologic column were laid down in the flood? All of them or which section? (MA 1131)
20. What do I claim to be true without warrant? (MA 1131)
21. Give an example of what is imaginary in this debate. (MA 1131)
22. Give me an example of what you claim to be masquerading as science and why you should think that. (MA 1131)
23. Give an example of an unjustified and/or made up excuse (MA 1131)
24. what do I ‘not know’ that you can show clearly to be the case. (MA 1131)
25. And what do I ‘know’ that you can show clearly not to be the case. (MA 1131)
26. What crystal structures do you claim should be there [in the Grand Canyon] that are not.there? (MA 1138)
27. How do you know they were not heated enough to cause folding? (MA 1138)
28. If you have no 'dates' [for the Flood] then how do you know the Grand Canyon was diluvial? (MA 1138)
29. So all the folding in the world was due to compacted mud being squashed together was it? Yes or no? (MA 1139)
30. So have you told a lie or not, Blackshoes? (MA 1140)
31. You have been asked repeatedly to explain its nature [the ‘block’ on macroevolution] and have never responded, to the best of my knowledge. So what is it? (MA 1143)
32. What is a kind (MA 1143)
33. Who denies Hox genes and why? (MA 1143)
34. What are the contradictions in the evolutionist arguments given in the 2 videos about percentage similarity between humans and chimpanzees? (MA 1145)
35. Where is it said in one of the videos that it is all BS? (MA 1145)
36. How is DNA too complex for an accurate analysis? (MA 1145)
37. Rebut the critique by Russ Miller on ERVs (MA 1145)
38. Produce the blog that you said had answers to specific questions in. It did not have. It was then quietly deleted. The evidence of lying is there. That is the accusation. Show it is false by producing the evidence. You have repeatedly failed to do so. (MA 1145)
39. Show the given evidence of ERVs is wrong (MA 1145)
40. Cite one page that has a clear answer to any of the questions on it. (MA 1146)
41. Tell me in what way the chemistry differs between microevolution and macroevolution (MA 1146)
42. Show me any EVIDENCE that the bible account is correct. (MA 1147)
43. Is a whale a mammal or a fish? (p1148)
44. Where is your evidence that speciation can occur in a human's lifetime? (MA 1150)
45. Who has said that life is simple to make? (MA 1150)
46. Show me where I have claimed to be omniscient. (MA 1151)
47. How do you know that evolution is proven false pseudoscience. (MA 1151)
48. How could you actually observe rocks deforming underground over thousands of years. (MA 1151)
49. How do you know how long it will take to observe distinct change in the phenotype? (MA 1151)
50. You say that the failure of a new kind to evolve has proven macroevolution to be wrong. What are your reasons that allow you to make this claim? (MA 1151)
51. Evolutionary science peer reviewed show that bacteria have never changed to a new kind (I hope that I have interpreted a somewhat garble sentence correctly) What makes you think it should have been seen? (MA 1152)
52. Please cite the papers mentioned in 51 above. (MA 1152)
53. What is a bacterium kind? (MA 1152)
54. how do you calculate the probabilities required for even a provisional result that remains open to change? (MA 1152)
55. Where and when did I write “Macroevolution does not demand kind to kind change?” (MA 1153)
56. Rebut the critique of video ‘Chimp Human DNA [What we have in common]. (MA 1154)
57. Rebut the blog on orphan genes. (MA 199) (Science of Evolution forum)
58. Confirm that you believe orphan genes are added by God to counter entropy. (MA 199) (Science of Evolution forum)
59. Having said that orphan genes prove that common ancestry is not shown nor has happened, what is the argument to that effect? (p 199) (Science of Evolution forum)
60. If you’re not a creationist how did the world come into being? (p201) (Science of Evolution forum)
61. What is the evidence and facts that show orphan genes prove the impossibility of common descent (p201) (Science of Evolution forum)
62. Why God is having to continually tinker with his creation, adding [orphan] genes, one presumes to some purpose, long after his initial design. Could he not get it right in the first place? (MA 1157)
63. Why is God bothering to create orphan genes for bacteria and fruit flies?
64. Is the Bible the truth? (MA 1167)
65. All of this [ERV] evidence, necessitates humans and chimpanzees to be derived from a common ancestor. Now YOU show why it is in error and doesn’t clearly indicate descent from a common ancestor. (MA 1172)
66. I would like to see any definition of evolution (from any non-creationist source) that includes abiogenesis as part of the definition. (MA 1172)
67. Is the Genesis account of the creation true? (MA 1174)
68. What have I not got a clue about? Specify the exact thing I have said that is manifestly wrong. (MA 1175)
69. With what am I trying to deceive you? Specify the exact statement that is obviously deceptive. (MA 1175)
70. I am asking you where are the witness accounts [of the Flood]. You're the one claiming there are witnesses. (MA 1177)
71. What would you invent to get you past a sharpened stick or a simple bow. You tell me what your first invention would be. (MA 1178)
72. You still daren't answer whether genesis is true or not or whether a whale is a mammal or a fish. (MA 1179)
73. I have given you the ERV evidence. What is not verifiable about that? (MA 1179)
74. Exactly HOW does science indicate the existence of a single creator God? What evidence can you produce? (MA1180)
75. “What evidence do you have for your ASSUMPTION that people were significantly longer lived? Give us the evidence.” (MA 1181)
76. “Written history is fact within God's word.” You assume it is. Where is your evidence? (MA 1181)
77. The geologic column SHOULD EXIST. Isn't it the sedimentation from the Great Flood? Doesn't the Flood require there to be a geologic column? (MA 1181)
78. Give me one theory that has been debunked in favour of a creationist alternative. (MA 1182)
79. All evolutionary scientists are engaged in an evil plot to fool the public. Would you tell me why? (MA 1182)
80. “Evolutionists are not allowed to leave the Bias Box that they've imprisoned their minds into.” Who stops them leaving this 'box' (MA 1182)
81. Where have I twisted your words? Give an example. (MA1183)
82. “It [Dinosaur blood] cannot have survived for a million years! Let alone 65 million” And your evidence is?…(MA 1183)
83. Why did God ensure that all of life runs on ‘natural’ chemistry. No miracles needed. But in the creation of life he needed to do a miracle (MA1186)
84. I gave another of your ridiculous assertions about dinosaur blood a hard time on p1183. Do you wish to answer those points, to demonstrate that I am wrong and you are right? (MA1186)
85. “Evolutionist return with Excuse excuse excuse” Precisely what excuse are you referring to? (MA1186)
86. “It shows little to no integrity," Now provide some evidence for this lack of integrity. (MA1186)
87. Do you consider that NOT being able to make DNA by natural and plausible pathways is evidence against abiogenesis or that it doesn’t mean anything either way? (MA1186)
88. “Even within the Laboratory and cannot overcome the mountain of paradoxes and symbiotic n' simultaneous needs within life to even begin to with what's required!” What paradoxes? What symbiotic needs? (MA1186)
89. Show where Dawkins says or even implies that it ‘screams design’ in the video Richard Dawkins Admits to Intelligent Design (MA1187)
90. What evolutionary research refutes Mega evolution and abiogenesis? That’s your claim. Where is your evidence? MA 1187)
91. How do you repeat, observe or verify the Black Death? (MA 1187)
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Rick Prime: List of standard replies to Creationist rubbish nonsense posts

0 the idiot creationist/theist is ignorant of the matter he's trying to discuss.
1 the idiot creationist/theist has no idea what I’m talking about so please ignore its rant
2 the idiot creationist/theist lacks the education to understand science
3 the idiot creationist/theist does not understand evolution
4 the idiot creationist/theist have no proof that GOd exists
5 the idiot creationist/theist uses mythology in an attempt to validate mythology.
6 pouting/ranting/tantruming wont make your mythology true
7. Repeating over and over that the research and evidence is a lie doesn't make it go away.
8. idiot creationist theist is unable/unwilling/too stupid to examine the literature he's already been given.
9. science is not youtube.Youtube is not science.
10. identify peer reviewed science which substantiates your claim.
11. z, stop molesting kids...
12. science is not some idiot's blog. Some idiot's blog is not science
13. creationists don't believe in God. They believe in the mythical god Blogfog
14. An idiot creationist theist believes peer review is valid when the reviewer is another idiot
15. Idiot creationist theists believe a YouTube video is peer reviewed if on the video there’s a piece of paper visible on a nearby table bearing the hand-written title “PIER REVOOD AKADEMIKUL SIENSE”
16. The idiot creationist theists posts a video from YouTube and adds their own title, “Dawkins admits intelligent design” and once this has been picked apart and ridiculed by scientists, they post it again (several times) hoping nobody will notice
17. Idiot creationist theists seriously believe William Wordsworth’s poem “On a puddle” is proof of Noah’s flood.
18. Idiot creationist theists post rubbish nonsense copy pasted blogs authored by discredited creationists
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Rick Prime:
ragons (mythological creature) in the Bible prove that both the scriptures AND God are fiction

𝐃𝐢𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐫𝐲
𝐃𝐞𝐟𝐢𝐧𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐎𝐱𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐝 𝐋𝐚𝐧𝐠𝐮𝐚𝐠𝐞𝐬 · 𝐋𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐧 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞
𝐝𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐨𝐧
/ˈ𝐝𝐫𝐚ɡ(ə)𝐧/
𝐧𝐨𝐮𝐧
𝟏.
𝐚 𝐦𝐲𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐥 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐞𝐦𝐛𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚 𝐠𝐢𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐫𝐞𝐩𝐭𝐢𝐥𝐞, 𝐬𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐭𝐢𝐦𝐞𝐬 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐰𝐧 𝐚𝐬 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐰𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐬. 𝐈𝐧 𝐄𝐮𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐚𝐧 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐨𝐧 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐲𝐩𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐲 𝐟𝐢𝐫𝐞-𝐛𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐲𝐦𝐛𝐨𝐥𝐢𝐳𝐞 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐨𝐬 𝐨𝐫 𝐞𝐯𝐢𝐥, 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐄𝐚𝐬𝐭 𝐀𝐬𝐢𝐚 𝐢𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐮𝐬𝐮𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐲 𝐚 𝐛𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐟𝐢𝐜𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐬𝐲𝐦𝐛𝐨𝐥 𝐨𝐟 𝐟𝐞𝐫𝐭𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐲, 𝐚𝐬𝐬𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐰𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐫

Blackshoes: Typical ^^ interpretation of the original Greek within the text in the KJV used the then English word dragon.

Many of translation in English today use the word serpent

Greek - English Dictionary
G1404 - Dragon
Strong's No.: G1404
Greek: δράκων
Transliteration: drakōn
Phonetic: drak'-own
Word Origin: Probably from an alternate form of δέρκομαι derkomai (to look)
Bible Usage: dragon.
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Strongs
Definition:
a fabulous kind of serpent (perhaps as supposed to fascinate)

Thayers
Definition:
1. a dragon, a great serpent, a name for Satan

Bible References:
Dragon Rev 12:3 Rev 12:4 Rev 12:7 Rev 12:7 Rev 12:9 Rev 12:13 Rev 12:16 Rev 12:17 Rev 13:2 Rev 13:4 Rev 13:11 Rev 16:13 Rev 20:2
Translation
Occurrences: dragon ( 13 )
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Rick Prime:
Why creationism is wrong and evolution is right


Professor Steve Jones
University College London


Science is about disbelief. It accepts that all knowledge is provisional and that any theory might in principle be disproved. Some theories are better established than others: the earth is probably not flat, babies are almost certainly not brought by storks, and men and dinosaurs are unlikely to have appeared on earth within the past few thousand years. Even so, nothing is sacred in 1905 classical physics collapsed after a seemingly trivial observation about glowing gases and the same is potentially true for all other scientific theories.

Many biologists are worried by a recent and unexpected return of an argument based on belief by the certainty, untestable and unsupported by evidence, that life did not evolve but appeared by supernatural means. Worldwide, more people believe in creationism than in evolution. Why do no biologists agree? Steve Jones will talk about what evolution is, about new evidence that men and chimps are close relatives and about how we are, nevertheless, unique and why creationism does more harm to religion than it does to science

https://royalsociety.org/science-events-and-lectures/2006/creationism-evolution
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Gilgamesh


Gilgamesh's supposed historical reign is believed to have been approximately 2700 BC,[2] shortly before the earliest known written stories. The discovery of artifacts associated with Aga and Enmebaragesi of Kish, two other kings named in the stories, has lent credibility to the historical existence of Gilgamesh.[3]

The earliest Sumerian Gilgamesh poems date from as early as the Third dynasty of Ur (2100–2000 BC).[4] One of these poems mentions Gilgamesh’s journey to meet the flood hero, as well as a short version of the flood story.[5] The earliest Akkadian versions of the unified epic are dated to ca. 2000–1500 BC.[6] Due to the fragmentary nature of these Old Babylonian versions, it is unclear whether they included an expanded account of the flood myth; although one fragment definitely includes the story of Gilgamesh's journey to meet Utnapishtim. The "standard" Akkadian version included a long version of the story and was edited by Sin-liqe-unninni,[7] who lived sometime between 1300 and 1000 BC.


Genesis

A global flood as described in this myth is inconsistent with the physical findings of geology, archeology, paleontology, and the global distribution of species.[8][9][10] A branch of creationism known as flood geology is a pseudoscientific attempt to argue that such a global flood actually occurred.[11] Some Christians have preferred to interpret the narrative as describing a local flood, instead of a global event.


The story of the flood occurs in chapters 6–9 of the Book of Genesis, the first book of the Bible. Ten generations after the creation of Adam, God saw that the earth was corrupt and filled with violence, and he decided to destroy what he had created. But God found one righteous man, Noah, and to him he confided his intention: "I am about to bring on the Flood ... to eliminate everywhere all flesh in which there is the breath of life ... ." So God instructed him to build an ark (in Hebrew, a chest or box), and Noah entered the Ark in his six hundredth year [of life], and on the 17th day of the usecond month of that year "the fountains of the Great Deep burst apart and the floodgates of heaven broke open" and rain fell for forty days and forty nights until the highest mountains were covered to a depth of 15 cubits, and all life perished except Noah and those with him in the Ark. After 150 days, "God remembered Noah ... and the waters subsided" until the Ark rested on the mountains of Ararat, and on the 27th day of the second month of Noah's six hundred and first year the earth was dry. Then Noah built an altar and made a sacrifice, and God made a covenant with Noah that man would be allowed to eat every living thing but not its blood, and that God would never again destroy all life by a



History

In November 1872, a self-taught historian named George Smith toiled away in the archives of the British Museum sorting through fragments of clay tablets recovered from ancient Mesopotamian archeological sites in modern-day Iraq. The tablets were written in cuneiform — a language that had only recently been recovered and translated after 1,000 years of obscurity — and most of the fragments contained humdrum accounting records or opaque prophecies from palace priests.

But then Smith found something remarkable. As he translated the cuneiform word by word, a familiar story unfolded. There was a god punishing humanity with a catastrophic flood, one man who was chosen to survive using a specially constructed boat filled with animals and seeds, and after the flood, birds being released to find dry land.


This wasn't the story of Noah and the ark, though, and this wasn't the book of Genesis in the Hebrew Bible (known to Christians as the Old Testament). What Smith had discovered was only one chapter in a sprawling Mesopotamian tale now known as the Epic of Gilgamesh, first written in 1,800 B.C.E., around 1,000 years before the Hebrew Bible.

"The Epic of Gilgamesh is the oldest tragic epic for which we have evidence," says Louise Pryke, an honorary research associate at the University of Sydney and author of "Gilgamesh," a deep analysis of the text and its influences on later works, from the Bible to Homer's "Odyssey." "It's something that's come to represent ancient Mesopotamia in modern culture."

When Smith first made the connection between the two flood stories in Gilgamesh and Genesis, legend says that he became so excited that he danced around the room removing his clothes. Smith's discovery shook the foundations of biblical scholarship by proposing that some, if not all, of the Hebrew Bible was borrowed from neighboring civilizations.
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Rick Prime:
Dinosaurs in the Bible.

The term “Dinosaur” was coined in 1832. How was the author of the Bible able to be familiar with the term?

Answer: it is clear the Bible has been edited and appended to in recent ages thus to ensure it conforms with theistic bias. The use of the term Dinosaur, therefore, proves the Bible to be a work of pure fiction, and its contents are the foundation of mythology.

To quote:

“ According to the Bible, dinosaurs must have been created by God on the sixth day of creation. Genesis 1:24 says, “And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.”

The sixth day of creation was also the day when God created people (Genesis 1:26-27). Therefore, dinosaurs and people must have lived together on the earth at one time.

Dinosaurs were also originally vegetarians. All animals were. Genesis 1:30 says, “And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.” That’s a big difference from most modern portrayals of dinosaurs.”


https://www.morrowcountysentinel.com/2018/07/22/pastor-column-bible-tells-truth-about-dinosaurs/
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BelgianStrider: Are birds considered as surviving dino's?
Is chromosome#2 a fusion of 2 chromosomes found in apes?
Are ERV an undeniable evidence of common ancestry ?
What do you think about Tiktaalik?
Whales- mammals or fish? and HOW can you explain it?
Bats - mammals or birds and how can you explain it ?

Tectonic plate movement variable or not?
Can rock fold?

Isotopic decay constant or not?

Miller-Urey experiment succesful in its purpose or not?
Polymerisation of bio-molecules in prebiotic conditions been executed or not?
OoL probable or impossible?


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BelgianStrider: I tried to view the physical evidences of noah's flood!

I could not go futher than the LIE about "physical evidences will show that the bible and christianity is true" !

The guy even has no IDEA about THEOLOGY !!!!!

If noah's myth should be scienitfically validated NOTHING WOULD INDICATE cHRISTIANITY IS TRUE !!!
AT THE MOST, JUDAISM AND SOME DEITY FOR THE ISRAELITES !!!!

Is it then necessary to continue to continue to listen such ABJECT illogical idiocies ?????
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BelgianStrider: The MORONS are even unable to understand that christianity is BASED exclusively on the nEW testament while accepting the oLD one whith the dogma that that deity of the o.t. is the father of jc!
Historically jc could only be a Jew having JUDAISM as RELIGION !!!!
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