Science and history proves the Bible is fictional (Page 3)

BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: "Let's take a look at what two authentic historians and archaeologists wrote and see if they support Ray's claim that archaeology supports the Bible:

William Denver, an archaeologist normally associated with the more conservative end of Syro-Palestinian archaeology, has labeled the question of the historicity of Exodus “dead.”
Israeli archaeologist Ze'ev Herzog provides the current consensus view on the historicity of the Exodus: “The Israelites were never in Egypt. They never came from abroad. This whole chain is broken. It is not a historical one. It is a later legendary reconstruction—made in the seventh century [BC]—of a history that never happened.”

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evolution:_A_Fairy_Tale_for_Grownups

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SHIIIIIIIIIT you seem even to be a historical ignoramus !!!!!!!
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: We even can say:

THAT starts to be F**KING ANNOYING to support with EVIDENCE that claim:
" Moses married the daughter of Yethro, the Priest of Media."
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happensnow88
happensnow88: At Mount Sinai, Yahuah, the King of all Creation told the Syrian tribes of Yacob/israel that if They Obey Him, they become a Mighty Nation, and if they refuse, Those who hate them rule over them. It is as simple as that. Most of the rest of their history is filled with their failures to Obey Him, and those whom Yahuah has Chosen to Punish them.
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happensnow88
happensnow88: What is BelgianStrider annoyed about regarding Moses taking a daughter of Yethro, Priest of Media?
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: Well: Moses f**king NEVER EXISTED MORON in the SAME WAY that the EXODUS WAS AN INVENTION like the ILLIAS !!!!
IN THE SAME WAY ACHILLES NEVER EXISTED, NOR HERCULES !!!

Even a greater problem for YOU: WHERE THE F**K is Mt SINAI
After all if that book is historical accurate: it would be f**king simple to locate a MOUNTAIN !!!! RIGHT

WHERE ARE YOUR EVIDENCE: THERE ARE f**king NONE

AND the Syrians had really NOTHING to do in that myth of the EXODUS, WHERE the f**k do you find it in that BOOK where HWHY pronounced himself to be the exclusive god of the ISRAELITES anything about the Syrians ( have you ever seen any REFERENCE to Syrians I NEVER DID )
I really don't know where you go to find ALL those 🐮

YOU EXPOSED YOURSELF TO BE A COMPLETELY ILLITERATE AND IGNORAMUS ABOUT YOUR SACRED LITURGY!!!
YOU ARE JUST A RACIAL MINDED PHANTAST !!!
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happensnow88
happensnow88: Regarding Syria: Deuteronomy 26:5. The tribes of Yacob-Israel are commanded to confess that their Father is Abraham, the Syrian. Isaac was Syrian and His wife was Syrian; Same for Yacob and His wives. What is it that Belgian Strider is so irritated by?
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happensnow88
happensnow88: Where is Mount Sinai? It was on the way to where the Israelites were expected to find a land of milk and honey. It is known where they crossed the Red Sea and where the "Land of Milk and Honey was located.
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: Abraham[a] (originally Abram)[b] is the common Hebrew patriarch of the Abrahamic religions, including Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.[7] In Judaism, he is the founding father of the special relationship between the Jews and God; in Christianity, he is the spiritual progenitor of all believers, whether Jewish or non-Jewish;[c][8] and in Islam, he is a link in the chain of Islamic prophets that begins with Adam and culminates in Muhammad.[4]

The story of the life of Abraham as told in the narrative of the Book of Genesis in the Hebrew Bible revolves around the themes of posterity and land. He is said to have been called by God to leave the house of his father Terah and settle in the land of Canaan, which God now promises to Abraham and his progeny. This promise is subsequently inherited by Isaac, Abraham's son, by his wife Sarah, while Isaac's half-brother Ishmael is also promised that he will be the founder of a great nation. Abraham purchases a tomb (the Cave of the Patriarchs) at Hebron to be Sarah's grave, thus establishing his right to the land; and, in the second generation, his heir Isaac is married to a woman from his own kin to earn his parents' approval. Abraham later marries Keturah and has six more sons; but, on his death, when he is buried beside Sarah, it is Isaac who receives "all Abraham's goods" while the other sons receive only "gifts".[9]

Most scholars view the patriarchal age, along with the Exodus and the period of the biblical judges, as a late literary construct that does not relate to any particular historical era,[10] and after a century of exhaustive archaeological investigation, no evidence has been found for a historical Abraham.[11] It is largely concluded that the Torah, the series of books that includes Genesis, was composed during the early Persian period, c. 500 BC, as a result of tensions between Jewish landowners who had stayed in Judah during the Babylonian captivity and traced their right to the land through their "father Abraham", and the returning exiles who based their counterclaim on Moses and the Exodus tradition of the Israelites.[12]

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Born Ur of the Chaldees, Mesopotamia
Died Hebron, Canaan
Known for Namesake of the Abrahamic religions: traditional founder of the Jewish nation,[1][2] spiritual ancestor of Christians,[3] major Islamic prophet,[4] Manifestation of God and originator of monotheistic faith in Baháʼí Faith,[5] third spokesman (natiq) prophet of Druzes[6]
Spouse(s) Sarah (his half-sister)
Hagar (concubine from Egypt)
Keturah (also concubine)
Children
Oldest to youngest:
Parents
Terah (father)
Amathlai, according to Talmud (mother)
Relatives
Closest to furthest:

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham

Mesopotamia[a] is a historical region of West Asia situated within the Tigris–Euphrates river system, in the northern part of the Fertile Crescent. Today, Mesopotamia is known as present-day Iraq.[1][2] In the broader sense, the historical region of Mesopotamia also includes parts of present-day Iran, Turkey, Syria and Kuwait.[3][4]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesopotamia

You have NO CLUE that he was a Syrian !!!!

He would most probably be an ancient Iraqi !!!
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happensnow88
happensnow88: The Biblical Book of Exodus, aka 2nd Book of Moses contains the story of Exodus.
How "Israel" became slaves in Egypt can be inferred from the story of Yusif (Joseph) and His accomplishments in Egypt. Most of His brothers never really repented of plotting to kill yusif and then selling Him as a slave. When Yusif rescued them from famine, He arranged for them to have a very good place in Egypt. Since they never really repented, the Egyptians noted their arrogance ertc. and eventually put them to work, and it was a good thing.
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: YEAH BUT WHERE IS THE FACTUAL ACTUAL Mt SINAI LOCATED , NO BIBLICAL ARCHEOLOGIST COULD LOCATE IT !!!
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happensnow88
happensnow88: Iran produced a movie about Joseph (Yusif) revealing the story of yusif from childhood to being the most or 2nd most powerful Man in Egypt. And, the Iranian movie shows Potiphar's wife eventually repenting in public before Yusif, the Pharoah and His Court of her actions against Yusif, where upon she was changed before everyone present into a youthful countenance, and then she married Yusif.
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: THE STORY OF EXODUS IS A LEGEND, A MYTH, and the biblical books of exodus NEVER COULD HAVE BEEN WRITTEN BY MOSES ... a complete FICTIONAL CHARACTER !!!
THAT HAS UNDENIABLY BEEN PROVEN !!!

AS MENTIONNED BEFORE BY 𝐈𝐬𝐫𝐚𝐞𝐥𝐢 𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐞𝐨𝐥𝐨𝐠𝐢𝐬𝐭 𝐙𝐞'𝐞𝐯 𝐇𝐞𝐫𝐳𝐨𝐠: "“𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝑰𝒔𝒓𝒂𝒆𝒍𝒊𝒕𝒆𝒔 𝒘𝒆𝒓𝒆 𝒏𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒓 𝒊𝒏 𝑬𝒈𝒚𝒑𝒕. 𝑻𝒉𝒆𝒚 𝒏𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒓 𝒄𝒂𝒎𝒆 𝒇𝒓𝒐𝒎 𝒂𝒃𝒓𝒐𝒂𝒅. ..."

It seems your historical knowledge JUST FAILS COMPLETELY !!!

Reading replies seems also not to be your strongest point!
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happensnow88
happensnow88: Regarding Mt. Sinai, there is reputed to be a Monastery on the mountain that contains more details to the story.
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: OOOOH YES

HOLLYWOOD produced a movie of KINGKONG in NEW-YORK
New-York exists so KINGKONG HAS TO BE REAL ...

Like Spiderman is real too as he also has been in New-York !!!

What about Superman???? After all krypton is an element in the tabel of Mendeleev

"Krypton (from Ancient Greek: κρυπτός, romanized: kryptos 'the hidden one' ) is a chemical element; it has symbol Kr and atomic number 36. It is a colorless, odorless, tasteless noble gas that occurs in trace amounts in the atmosphere and is often used with other rare gases in fluorescent lamps. Krypton is chemically inert.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krypton

IMBECILE
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider:

It is just a fable, that famous christian monastry is NOT on Mt Sinai
That has been PROVEN

"Saint Catherine's Monastery (Arabic: دير القدّيسة كاترين Dayr al-Qiddīsa Katrīn; Greek: Μονὴ τῆς Ἁγίας Αἰκατερίνης), officially the Sacred Autonomous Royal Monastery of Saint Catherine of the Holy and God-Trodden Mount Sinai, is a Christian monastery located in the Sinai Peninsula of Egypt. Located at the foot of Mount Sinai, it was built between 548 and 565, and is the world's oldest continuously inhabited Christian monastery.[1][2][3]

The monastery was built by the orders of the Byzantine emperor Justinian I, enclosing what is claimed to be the burning bush seen by Moses.[4][5] Centuries later, the purported body of Saint Catherine of Alexandria, said to have been found in the area, was taken to the monastery; Saint Catherine's relics turned it into an important pilgrimage site, and the monastery was eventually renamed after the saint.

Controlled by the autonomous Church of Sinai, which is part of the wider Greek Orthodox Church, the monastery became a UNESCO World Heritage Site in 2002 for its unique importance in the traditions of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism.[6][7]

The site also holds the world's oldest continually operating library,[8] with unique or extremely rare works, such as the Codex Sinaiticus and the Syriac Sinaiticus,[9][8] as well as possibly the largest collection of early Christian icons, including the earliest known depiction of Jesus as Christ Pantocrator.

Saint Catherine's has as its backdrop the three mountains it lies near: Ras Sufsafeh (possibly the Biblical Mount Horeb, peak c.1 km (0.62 mi) west); Jebel Arrenziyeb, peak c. 1km south; and Mount Sinai (locally, Jebel Musa, by tradition identified with the biblical Mount Sinai; peak c. 2 km (1.2 mi) south).[10]
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Catherine%27s_Monastery


As the exodus has been proven FICTIONAL it NEVER CAN BE THE BIBLICAL Mt SINAI

IT IS F**KING THAT SIMPLE IN BASIC LOGIC
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: Till now all your inputs have not only been this:



but also and especially that:

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happensnow88
happensnow88: Belgian Strider Thanks for the details of that monastery claiming to be on Mount Sinai.
However, regarding the nice Israeli Archeologist 𝐙𝐞'𝐞𝐯 𝐇𝐞𝐫𝐳𝐨𝐠. and His claim that Israaelites were never in Egypt, He is correct in that He views Ashkenazi self professed Jews to be Israel, when many self professed Jews are descended from Esau who was cut off from Israel; And, Aahkenaz, which are descended from Yapheth via Gomer and even Magog from Gomer/Yapheth. from Genesis 10:2 & 3

So naturally these folks were not among the Israelites in Egypt. So You are correct those who call themselves "Jews" were not among the israelites in Egypt.

What is Your argument concerning Moses?
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: That moses NEVER existed, that moses NEVER wrote the books of genesis !!!
That EVERYTHING about moses is fiction in the same way that everything about Achilles is FICTION !

Finally: ALL the books of genesis are just a collection of ancient Middle East (adapted) legends and myths; hence pure FICTION !!!!
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: ANYONE coming up with the opinion that genesis is historically correct is just a delusional phantast!
Scholars all agree on that point: genesis is just a bunch of fictional stories in the same way that the bibblical flood NEVER happened and NEVER could happen, it is physically (the science of physics) and geologically totally impossible !!!
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: "The Book of Genesis (from Greek Γένεσις, Génesis; Biblical Hebrew: בְּרֵאשִׁית‎, romanized: Bərēʾšīṯ, lit. 'In [the] beginning'; Latin: Liber Genesis) is the first book of the Hebrew Bible and the Christian Old Testament.[1] Its Hebrew name is the same as its first word, Bereshit ('In the beginning'. Genesis is an account of the creation of the world, the early history of humanity, and the origins of the Jewish people.[2]

Genesis is part of the Torah or Pentateuch, the first five books of the Bible. Tradition credits Moses as the Torah's author; however, modern scholars, especially from the 19th century onward, attribute the books' composition to multiple authors between the 10th and 5th centuries BC.[3][4] Based on scientific interpretation of archaeological, genetic, and linguistic evidence, most mainstream Bible scholars consider Genesis to be primarily mythological rather than historical.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Genesis
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happensnow88
happensnow88: Congratulations, based on the experts mentioned above, the claims of self professed Jews to be some Holy People are also negated; And, the letter 'J' only about 500 years old.
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: YEAH: SO WHAT

DESPITE THAT THE PRONOUNCED CONSONANT "J" WAS SYMBOLISED WITH "I" IN LATIN and probably other western languages.
THE CONTEXT AND SPELLING OF THE WORD MADE IT CLEAR HOW TO PRONOUNCE the written letter "I"

That is factually TRUE with any language and in the same way applicable to the ACTUAL ENGLISH SPELLING: that detemines how "E" is PRONOUNCED WITHIN ANY SPECIFIC WORD !!!!
That the letter "J" is ONLY 500 years (or just 50 years) old is completely IRRELEVANT !!!!

NOT ONLY YOUR INPUT IS PURE BULLSHIT BUT ALSO UTTERMOST




MOREOVER, let's go to the other points:

- YEAH, EXPERTS have the TENDENCY to POSSESS MORE KNOWLEDGE than YOU and ME in their SPECIALITY!(After all they spent their lifetime to study those specific topics: DO YOU - I don't )
I DO ACCEPT THAT, you on the other hand


- OH BTW IDIOT:
BIOLOGY and GENETICS TEACH US the possible existence of ANY "HOLY PEOPLE" or "üBERMENSCH" IS JUST COMPLETE CRAP !!!!! AND "THAT FACT" again contradicts clearly every possible interpretation of some "holy elected people" "oder übermenshen" found in genesis; with the consequence THAT again genesis is proven to be just PURE FICTION !!!!

GENETIC DRIFT gives UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE that ALL the HUMANS ON EARTH ORIGINATES from (East Central) AFRICA !!!! (white supremacist just HATE that SCIENTIFIC FACT)

HENCE YES: SCIENCE DEFINITIVELY HAS UNDENIABLY EVIDENCE TO 𝐍𝐄𝐆𝐀𝐓𝐄 any 𝐈𝐃𝐄𝐎𝐋𝐎𝐆𝐘 of "holy elected people" "oder übermenshen" !!!!


- AAAAAAND: IF EVER THE "HOLY ELECTED PEOPLE" MIGHT BE "FACTUAL", IT IS DEFINITIVELY NOT THE WHITE aRYAN RACE but THE JEWISH ISRAELITES !!!!
IT IS FUCKING MENTIONNED IN THAT ANCIENT SHEPHERD'S BOOK (brown on ochre) !!!!




Is there ANY possibility that you are a fan of the "white supremacy" crap: you give me the fucking hell that undeniable impression, NITWIT !!!

JUST NOTE IMBECILE: IN THE nEW tESTAMENT jc IS A JEW ... NOT AN aRYAN, NOT A CHINESE, NOT AN INDIAN, NOT A POLYNESIAN, NOT A MAORI, NOT AN ABORIGINEE: JUST DEFINITIVELY A JEW !!!!!!!!



YOU do dig your own pit deeper and you get EASILY exposed as a complete MORON
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: Again we have here a clear academical example of the stupid artificially made controversy of the indoctrinated biased anti-scientific FAITH full of DOGMATIC PREJUDICE AND LIES with FACTUAL EVIDENTIAL SUPPORTED SCIENTIFIC FINDINGS !!!
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: Oh if you EVER need EVIDENCE about the SCIENTIFIC claims: I can give you without the SLIGHTEST problems !!!
For making it everybody as easy as possible to understand, I will try to use mostly YOUTUBES of EXPERTS doing "generalisation of science to lay people"

I just gave you already QUITE GOOD undeniable EVIDENCE that gENESIS and mOSES are FICTIONAL !!!

Though you WILL BE EXPECTED to give the SAME about your prejudicional faith biased claims: and MOST OF US KNOW ALREADY, you WILL FAIL LAMENTABLY !!!

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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: BTW if I am NOT mistaken before the letter "J", the letter "Y" was used to replace the letter "I" as consonant for the pronounciation of "J"

Some remnants are still actual in the English spelling like the word "year", "you" ... compared with the Dutch "jaar", "je" ...
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