Science and history proves the Bible is fictional

Rick Prime
Rick Prime: Studies of the sciences geology, archaeology, history and compared to the Bible prove the scriptures are fictional
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Rick Prime: Gilgamesh


Gilgamesh's supposed historical reign is believed to have been approximately 2700 BC,[2] shortly before the earliest known written stories. The discovery of artifacts associated with Aga and Enmebaragesi of Kish, two other kings named in the stories, has lent credibility to the historical existence of Gilgamesh.[3]

The earliest Sumerian Gilgamesh poems date from as early as the Third dynasty of Ur (2100–2000 BC).[4] One of these poems mentions Gilgamesh’s journey to meet the flood hero, as well as a short version of the flood story.[5] The earliest Akkadian versions of the unified epic are dated to ca. 2000–1500 BC.[6] Due to the fragmentary nature of these Old Babylonian versions, it is unclear whether they included an expanded account of the flood myth; although one fragment definitely includes the story of Gilgamesh's journey to meet Utnapishtim. The "standard" Akkadian version included a long version of the story and was edited by Sin-liqe-unninni,[7] who lived sometime between 1300 and 1000 BC.


Genesis

A global flood as described in this myth is inconsistent with the physical findings of geology, archeology, paleontology, and the global distribution of species.[8][9][10] A branch of creationism known as flood geology is a pseudoscientific attempt to argue that such a global flood actually occurred.[11] Some Christians have preferred to interpret the narrative as describing a local flood, instead of a global event.


The story of the flood occurs in chapters 6–9 of the Book of Genesis, the first book of the Bible. Ten generations after the creation of Adam, God saw that the earth was corrupt and filled with violence, and he decided to destroy what he had created. But God found one righteous man, Noah, and to him he confided his intention: "I am about to bring on the Flood ... to eliminate everywhere all flesh in which there is the breath of life ... ." So God instructed him to build an ark (in Hebrew, a chest or box), and Noah entered the Ark in his six hundredth year [of life], and on the 17th day of the usecond month of that year "the fountains of the Great Deep burst apart and the floodgates of heaven broke open" and rain fell for forty days and forty nights until the highest mountains were covered to a depth of 15 cubits, and all life perished except Noah and those with him in the Ark. After 150 days, "God remembered Noah ... and the waters subsided" until the Ark rested on the mountains of Ararat, and on the 27th day of the second month of Noah's six hundred and first year the earth was dry. Then Noah built an altar and made a sacrifice, and God made a covenant with Noah that man would be allowed to eat every living thing but not its blood, and that God would never again destroy all life by a



History

In November 1872, a self-taught historian named George Smith toiled away in the archives of the British Museum sorting through fragments of clay tablets recovered from ancient Mesopotamian archeological sites in modern-day Iraq. The tablets were written in cuneiform — a language that had only recently been recovered and translated after 1,000 years of obscurity — and most of the fragments contained humdrum accounting records or opaque prophecies from palace priests.

But then Smith found something remarkable. As he translated the cuneiform word by word, a familiar story unfolded. There was a god punishing humanity with a catastrophic flood, one man who was chosen to survive using a specially constructed boat filled with animals and seeds, and after the flood, birds being released to find dry land.


This wasn't the story of Noah and the ark, though, and this wasn't the book of Genesis in the Hebrew Bible (known to Christians as the Old Testament). What Smith had discovered was only one chapter in a sprawling Mesopotamian tale now known as the Epic of Gilgamesh, first written in 1,800 B.C.E., around 1,000 years before the Hebrew Bible.

"The Epic of Gilgamesh is the oldest tragic epic for which we have evidence," says Louise Pryke, an honorary research associate at the University of Sydney and author of "Gilgamesh," a deep analysis of the text and its influences on later works, from the Bible to Homer's "Odyssey." "It's something that's come to represent ancient Mesopotamia in modern culture."

When Smith first made the connection between the two flood stories in Gilgamesh and Genesis, legend says that he became so excited that he danced around the room removing his clothes. Smith's discovery shook the foundations of biblical scholarship by proposing that some, if not all, of the Hebrew Bible was borrowed from neighboring civilizations.
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Rick Prime
Rick Prime: Dragons (mythological creature) in the Bible prove that both the scriptures AND God are fiction

𝐃𝐢𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐫𝐲
𝐃𝐞𝐟𝐢𝐧𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐎𝐱𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐝 𝐋𝐚𝐧𝐠𝐮𝐚𝐠𝐞𝐬 · 𝐋𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐧 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞
𝐝𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐨𝐧
/ˈ𝐝𝐫𝐚ɡ(ə)𝐧/
𝐧𝐨𝐮𝐧
𝟏.
𝐚 𝐦𝐲𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐥 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐞𝐦𝐛𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚 𝐠𝐢𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐫𝐞𝐩𝐭𝐢𝐥𝐞, 𝐬𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐭𝐢𝐦𝐞𝐬 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐰𝐧 𝐚𝐬 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐰𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐬. 𝐈𝐧 𝐄𝐮𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐚𝐧 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐨𝐧 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐲𝐩𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐲 𝐟𝐢𝐫𝐞-𝐛𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐲𝐦𝐛𝐨𝐥𝐢𝐳𝐞 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐨𝐬 𝐨𝐫 𝐞𝐯𝐢𝐥, 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐄𝐚𝐬𝐭 𝐀𝐬𝐢𝐚 𝐢𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐮𝐬𝐮𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐲 𝐚 𝐛𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐟𝐢𝐜𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐬𝐲𝐦𝐛𝐨𝐥 𝐨𝐟 𝐟𝐞𝐫𝐭𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐲, 𝐚𝐬𝐬𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐰𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐫

Blackshoes: Typical ^^ interpretation of the original Greek within the text in the KJV used the then English word dragon.

Many of translation in English today use the word serpent

Greek - English Dictionary
G1404 - Dragon
Strong's No.: G1404
Greek: δράκων
Transliteration: drakōn
Phonetic: drak'-own
Word Origin: Probably from an alternate form of δέρκομαι derkomai (to look)
Bible Usage: dragon.
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Strongs
Definition:
a fabulous kind of serpent (perhaps as supposed to fascinate)

Thayers
Definition:
1. a dragon, a great serpent, a name for Satan

Bible References:
Dragon Rev 12:3 Rev 12:4 Rev 12:7 Rev 12:7 Rev 12:9 Rev 12:13 Rev 12:16 Rev 12:17 Rev 13:2 Rev 13:4 Rev 13:11 Rev 16:13 Rev 20:2
Translation
Occurrences: dragon ( 13 )
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: I do agree with the title
There is no doubt about it!
Multiple passages in that book when read WILL even make you an atheist !!!


Notwithstanding that: I am also convinced you ought to respect people that has a theistic conviction, independent their religion, as long it is not indoctrinated but by pure personal conviction:
- an academical example
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: And to be honest: integrate deeply devoted honest people like Father Coyne could have the possible "power" to convince me back to catholicism !!!! AS I am introduced in it without any of my OWN knowledge but through my parents by baptism !!!!

After all in this same country Belgium: I could be:
- catholic (what I am officially but without any faith in the church)
- protestant
- jewish faith
- muslim

All determined by the faith of your own parents
Amazing NO ???
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Rick Prime
Rick Prime: Religion is a good thing. It gives people hope and strength, but it is bad when religious leaders use it to exploit and harm, and to deny people their rights and freedom.
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: Can't agree more with you, but that is also valid for any authoritarian political system and some have been undeniably religious based !!!
Europe seemingly suffered some 2 millenia: I am convinced it was not the only victim.
Many continents had been victim of their faith.
Actually those people blowing up with "TNT" in name of their faith are the greatest victims concerning stupid indoctrination: and it is NOT only moslim related !!!!
We do have christian terrorists too !!!
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Rick Prime
Rick Prime: Exactly
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: ANY system starts to get BAD when a system wants to control

- education
- art
- science
- public "worldview"
- polical convictions

READ di's Wedge document !!!
It is amazingly horrific and in no way better than "Mein Kampf"
Factually: 100ths pages of "Mein Kampf" reduced into 2~3 pages

Notice: if that system is applied in the US: IT WILL HAVE A WORLDWIDE IMPACT !!!
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: A good reason to be "aware" and against crea-tinonism
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Rick Prime
Rick Prime: There was an interesting report from the US Department of Justice demanding religious cults be banned since they deny younger members access to their families and to education. Theists damned it as a pack of lies. Well, they would…
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: Astonishingly frightful !!!
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: That is in some way the weakness introduced in the second amendment !!!

A so called freedom of religion: as long it does not interfere with the public institutions.
Besides that: they have complete "carte blanche"

The oath on the bible was NOT originally in the procedures for the nomination of the US presidents !!!
It seems there HAS been, at least, one president that REFUSES to do his oath on the bible and nevertheless he became the PotUS !!!
That's how surreptitiously fanatical religious sects can introduce their nefast influences !!!
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Rick Prime
Rick Prime: We’ve seen that in action on the atheist thread.
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: for sure you could notice that: and probably not only in that thread
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Rick Prime
Rick Prime: Dinosaurs in the Bible.

The term “Dinosaur” was coined in 1832. How was the author of the Bible able to be familiar with the term?

Answer: it is clear the Bible has been edited and appended to in recent ages thus to ensure it conforms with theistic bias. The use of the term Dinosaur, therefore, proves the Bible to be a work of pure fiction, and its contents are the foundation of mythology.

To quote:

“ According to the Bible, dinosaurs must have been created by God on the sixth day of creation. Genesis 1:24 says, “And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.”

The sixth day of creation was also the day when God created people (Genesis 1:26-27). Therefore, dinosaurs and people must have lived together on the earth at one time.

Dinosaurs were also originally vegetarians. All animals were. Genesis 1:30 says, “And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.” That’s a big difference from most modern portrayals of dinosaurs.”


https://www.morrowcountysentinel.com/2018/07/22/pastor-column-bible-tells-truth-about-dinosaurs/
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Rick Prime: What is evolution?

Perhaps the best video on the subject I’ve seen

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Rick Prime: Why creationism is wrong and evolution is right


Professor Steve Jones
University College London


Science is about disbelief. It accepts that all knowledge is provisional and that any theory might in principle be disproved. Some theories are better established than others: the earth is probably not flat, babies are almost certainly not brought by storks, and men and dinosaurs are unlikely to have appeared on earth within the past few thousand years. Even so, nothing is sacred in 1905 classical physics collapsed after a seemingly trivial observation about glowing gases and the same is potentially true for all other scientific theories.

Many biologists are worried by a recent and unexpected return of an argument based on belief by the certainty, untestable and unsupported by evidence, that life did not evolve but appeared by supernatural means. Worldwide, more people believe in creationism than in evolution. Why do no biologists agree? Steve Jones will talk about what evolution is, about new evidence that men and chimps are close relatives and about how we are, nevertheless, unique and why creationism does more harm to religion than it does to science

https://royalsociety.org/science-events-and-lectures/2006/creationism-evolution/
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BelgianStrider
BelgianStrider: "“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction; jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving, control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

—Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

Dawkins Is Right
In the first sentence of chapter 2 of The God Delusion, biologist Richard Dawkins calls the biblical god “the most unpleasant character in all fiction.” That sentence has prompted more criticism than anything else he has written. To document his claim, Richard asked former minister Dan Barker to provide a list of biblical passages for each of the characteristics in that sentence. The result is the book GOD: The Most Unpleasant Character in All Fiction. Part 1, “Dawkins Was Right,” contains a chapter for each of those 19 descriptors.

In Part 2, “Dawkins Was Too Kind,” Barker adds eleven more characteristics: pyromaniacal, angry, merciless, curse-hurling, vaccicidal, aborticidal, cannibalistic, slavemonger, homicidal, evil, and terrorist, ending with “What About Jesus?”

Barker Proves It
The Unpleasant GOD Companion is a browsable, sharable database of the verses from Dan’s book. We hope you’ll enjoy — and share — them.

[Click on each highlighted word to see a list of biblical verses.]

The site was built by the Freedom From Religion Foundation, a nonprofit established to promote the constitutional principle of separation of state and church, and to educate the public on matters relating to nontheism."

https://unpleasant.ffrf.org/
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Caesar2023
Caesar2023: Okay here this. Can you explain why 200 muslim men in gaza had the same dream of Jesus and the next day they converted to christianity??
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Lamprey
Lamprey: science is incapable of disproving the existence of God. it cannot even cure aids, cancer, diabetes just to name a few.
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