The science of evolution is anything but science. (Page 335)

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Corwin
Corwin: Still at it, eh Bobby?
Just copy/pasting the same blog-fogs of song-and-dance ad nauseum, even when most or all of it can and has been utterly debunked as nothing but typical Creationist Apologetics nonsense.

What you call "real science and evidence, logic and reasoning" is anything but that. It's abandoning real science and evidence in favour of publications from religious fanatics who share your worldview and tell you (in your own words ) "what tickles your ears". All publications that would NEVER pass peer-review, and can be debunked by a mere Grad Student.


It's particularly that ridiculous Isaac Newton quote that once again caught my eye, and baffles me as to how you can STILL find it in any way relevant, even though I'm pretty sure I've explained this to you before, as to just how WRONG Newton was about that, and what a silly thing it was for him to claim.

"Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system, I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance." -- Issac Newton

I'll recap... perhaps phrasing it more concisely this time.
For one, what the hell does Cosmology have to do with Atheism? All that quote proves is that Newton was a religious man, and he saw divine miracles present in the Cosmos. BUT... his MATH was WAY off. Of course Newton knew MUCH less about the Cosmos than we do today, but still a silly thing to claim.
For a planet to be "at the right distance to receive the proper amounts of heat and light"... and this could not happen by chance??
How could it NOT happen by chance? The actual math says this MUST happen, and WILL happen.

This is referred to as the Habitable Zone, or "Goldilocks Zone" (where it would be possible for liquid water to be present on the surface of a planet). From what we know today from modern Cosmology/Astromomy, it is actually MORE unlikely for there NOT to be a planet residing in that Zone. Our own solar-system has TWO -- Earth and Mars. How could Newton have not gazed into the night sky and NOT seen countless other suns? And not ponder of how many countless planets orbit those countless distant suns?
Couldn't happen by chance?? For such a clever guy, Newton said some pretty stupid things... I surmise that his biased religious beliefs clouded his higher reasoning and mathematical skills, and slanted the perception of his own observations.

Not to mention that the Goldilocks Zone assumes that only "Earth-like" environments are favourable to life. There could be life thriving within oceans inside frozen moons that orbit Jupiter or Saturn, kept warm by other forces and processes other than proximity to our Sun.


To sum it up... to keep repeating a quote like that... is saying "Newton believed that God did it, so we all should".
That's a common logical fallacy known as "Argument From Authority". I don't give a smoking stinky fart that came out of a fat engorged rat pilfering on my kitchen-counter what Newton's religious beliefs were... I'll just stick to the math. Newton came up with some good math.

But as I mentioned before... Newton gave us the Laws of Motion, and the Inverse-Square Law of Gravity... good for him. Kudos even.
That's no reason to buy into his personal religious beliefs... certainly no "proof" to support your worldview, nor Newton's.
Newton thought he could turn lead into gold too if he put his mind to it.
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: Corwin You have faith in assumptions and opinion that you call science because you follow whatever you've been told', and dear claim I don't understand that your faith has never been verified, observed, nor repeated!

Note also that all the science within everything that I've posted is easily verified. So your claim that's it's not legitimate science is false.

Man, you're all so far more religious than anyone else you belittle

It's particularly ridiculous that you and other evolutionists all reject your own research that has endlessly refuted your pseudoscience.

"Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system, I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance." -- Issac Newton

Why would a genius like Newton voice such wisdom, long before he was even aware of the universal constants? Because he had enough common sense to see that which you are not allowed to see.

Yes, you will always accept the excuse that tickle your ears, until you remove the tunnel vision installed within you that requires you hold to Methodological naturalism



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Corwin
Corwin: RE: "You have faith in assumptions and opinion that you call science because you follow whatever you've been told."

Quite the opposite, dear chum.
I was raised as a child to be expected to embrace a religious worldview not unlike your own. Under fear of corporal punishment even... and not just some indoctrinated fear of eternal damnation.

I had access to encyclopedias and libraries. I made a personal choice to embrace Science, logic, and reason... even IF it meant I'd "get my ass tanned" for asking "uncomfortable" questions.

It was a personal choice which had little to do with "what I had been told".
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Corwin
Corwin: Think of it this way... imagine a young Corwin... a mere child...
... and on the one hand I was given this single book which was supposed to answer all of my questions... except I wasn't ALLOWED to ask questions... a book full of silly stories of talking snakes and talking donkeys... the ark story was the silliest and most implausible of them all...
... and told that I MUST believe it under fear of punishment.

And... entire bookshelves full of books... entire ROOMS full of books... ACTUAL answers to my questions... answers that made sense... and asking questions was WELCOMED, not punished.

What kind of intelligent and sane person would choose the former rather than the latter?
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Corwin
Corwin: A 3rd grade school field-trip to the Museum of Natural History... seeing a real 75 million year old Triceratops skull... as big as a Volkswagen Bug... it was roped off, but I ducked under the ropes and touched it with my own hands. Almost a "religious" experience.

Then being told next Sunday by my Sunday school teacher that dinosaurs never existed, and that those fossils were put there under the ground by Satan to make us question and cast doubts in our faith in the true God.

Those evil "questions" again... whenever we ask "questions", it's apparently "Satan" messing with our minds.


What was I supposed to believe?? "Following whatever I'm told" has never been one of my strong points. I think for myself, thank you very much.


An ancestral history of a primitive species of arboreal Primate, that climbed down from the trees, and gradually evolved into what we now consider Human...
... or a magical invisible Sky Fairy that rolled some mud and clay into a ball, breathed "life" into it, and then decided that we'd be lonely without a companion, so magical invisible Sky Fairy amputated one of our ribs and turned THAT into a woman.

Hmmm... YEAH.
I'll believe that religious explanation, because I'm a drooling idiot who's unable to tie my own shoes.
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TheloniousSphereMonk
TheloniousSphereMonk: I could only dream of owning a complete set of Britannica as a kid, but at least I had my funk & wagnell's.
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Troublinn
Troublinn: Why think for yourself, when there are such informative and credible sources such as James Tour, Answers in Genesis, the Discovery Institute and last but not least The Bible, all willing to tell you exactly what you need to believe and think!
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Corwin
Corwin: In Sunday school we were told of "miracles"... like how Jesus could turn water into wine...

... yeah? Well SHOW us some miracles then. Make a "believer" out of me.

Encyclopedias contain all sorts of "magic". With Science, I learned how to turn sugar-water into 100 proof moonshine vodka... before I was even old enough to legally drink. You don't learn THAT in Sunday school. Top THAT, Jesus.

I can turn piss into gunpowder. I can perform all sorts of cool "magic tricks" with the use of Science... there's nothing in the Bible that I find particularly useful in that respect.
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Troublinn
Troublinn: One of many things I will remember all my life, something my Grandfather once said, he was a Presbyterian Minister but was raised Baptist. I asked him once when I was a small child why he wasn't a Baptist preacher, his response, "Unlike the Baptists, at least the Presbyterians don't require you to check your brain at the door of the sanctuary."
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: RE: "I had access to encyclopedias and libraries. I made a personal choice to embrace Science, logic, and reason... even IF it meant I'd "get my ass tanned" for asking "uncomfortable" questions."

You just don't get it ! You have been indoctrinated in a religious dogmatic ignorance and because you were so fooled then, you can't see it now', and have simply traded one religious faith for an academic dogma and ignorance! Show macroevolution, show abiogenesis naturally, or open your eye to reality and science?

You experience in the past with ignorance has done you no good whatsoever when you reject your own evolutionary Reseach and science and accept their nonsensical excuses assumption and opinions over reality.

You display little logic and reason to accept such ridiculous academic nonsense when they preach that everything came from nothing n nothing created everything

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TheloniousSphereMonk
TheloniousSphereMonk: Funk n wagnell's vs James tour & Ken ham
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: Your more than welcome to show any form of real science to support your assumption that everything was created by nothing ? I'll be waiting


"Looking at the doctrine of Darwinism, which undergirded my atheism for so many years, it didn’t take me long to conclude that it was simply too far-fetched to be credible. I realized that if I were to embrace Darwinism and its underlying premise of naturalism, I would have to believe that: 1. Nothing produces everything 2. Non-life produces life 3. Randomness produces fine-tuning 4. Chaos produces information 5. Unconsciousness produces consciousness 6. Non-reason produces reason....The central pillars of evolutionary theory quickly rotted away when exposed to scrutiny."

Lee Strobel
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TheloniousSphereMonk
TheloniousSphereMonk: But I don't assume that.
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TheloniousSphereMonk
TheloniousSphereMonk: That's what Tour n Ham assume, not me.
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: You endlessly support that kind of nonsense and agree with those that do
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Troublinn
Troublinn: And, you're more than welcome to show any form of proof, miracle or even science that supports your assumption that everything was created any other way than by naturalistic means!
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Troublinn
Troublinn: We will all be waiting.
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: Frist that off topic here !

Luke 16:31

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.



You don't accept anything that doesn't tickle your ears !
I have already shown the facts that prove we should not even exist. You prefer excuses and assumptions that nothing created everything
Why do you ask for reality when you endlessly reject it.

Believing the truth, is all that's important, all that ever was important, all that ever will be important.


“The complexity of the simplest known type of cell is so great that it is impossible to accept that such an object could have been thrown together suddenly by some kind of freakish, vastly improbable, event. Such an occurrence would be indistinguishable from a miracle.”

Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory In Crisis

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TheloniousSphereMonk
TheloniousSphereMonk: Nah, I'd be persuaded if I saw dead people walking.
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Corwin
Corwin: RE: "You have been indoctrinated in a religious dogmatic ignorance"

Encyclopedias and entire libraries? Having access to what is literally the sum of Human knowledge is synonymous with ignorance, and a form of religious indoctrination?

And then, ironically, you quote a Bible verse to support your argument... one telling us to believe in ancient (likely fictional) prophets and people rising from the dead.

No wonder that the Great Library of Alexandria was destroyed by religious fanatics. That also contained the sum of Human knowledge as it was at that time. When you speak of "religious dogmatic ignorance"... well, there's a good example of it right there.


RE: "you reject your own evolutionary Reseach and science"

No, I don't. I reject Creationist "research" that involves bastardizing Science to fit their religiously fuelled narrative. "Research" that is very easily debunked by the legitimate scientific community.
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Corwin
Corwin: RE:
“The complexity of the simplest known type of cell is so great that it is impossible to accept that such an object could have been thrown together suddenly by some kind of freakish, vastly improbable, event. Such an occurrence would be indistinguishable from a miracle.”

Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory In Crisis


I find it hard to understand how ANYBODY could fall for such an obvious Strawman Argument.
Since when has ANY origin of life researcher made the claim that modern complex living cells were "thrown together suddenly by some kind of freakish, vastly improbable, event"?

OoL research explores "organic chemistry" and "chemical evolution" -- how pre-biotic non-living (yet very complex) organic molecules can self-assemble, and how there are selective processes that favour those that self-replicate. Precursors to life. NOT claiming that living cells assembled themselves suddenly in some miraculous event... that's what the Creationists claim, and accredit it to their God.

OoL is a fascinating field of study, and will continue, regardless of how loud James Tour protests and stamps his feet.
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Troublinn
Troublinn: This is the scariest and saddest thing about a large portion of society around the world right now, a wholesale denial of science and scientists in favor of any alternative interpretation of evidence and results that fit a particular narrative or world view.

When people deny and politicize science in order to push a particular narrative rather than allowing science to go where the evidence leads, people and the Earth suffer!
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