Evolution is crap! Squawk! (Page 31) BelgianStrider: Also note: in some way the notion of "inferior" women in christian religions is not completely gone... just look the limitations imposed to women in the different "churches"  MJ59: 1 Timothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Genesis 3:16 To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.” 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. It just goes on and on  BelgianStrider: So you can have an idea concerning the origins of "misogyny"... We can continually find the origins concerning most of such types of idiocies: in those books. (Edited by BelgianStrider) BelgianStrider: Evolution is crap: what is written in the holy bible is the complete truth. Everybody that (mis)uses his brains (and allows himself to be indoctrinated) knows that Squawk!!!!! MJ59: Yer all working on assumptions! yer brainwashed! abiogenesis s IMPOSSIBLE! macroevolution never happened!!! SQUAWKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BelgianStrider: microevolution is a biased fairy tale, imposed by complotting evil scientists to suck up all your hardly earned tax-money and impose you their biased imaginary assumptions. They are all anti-scientists that even are not willing to understand zeff's "natural universal time". All other times are man-made. You idiot whining nitwits ... SQQQUUUUAAAAWWWWWWKKKK !!!!!!!!!! (Edited by BelgianStrider) BelgianStrider: Yeah right    those scientific thieves Psst ..  don't forget to give $$$$ during the offering while  in church .. (Edited by BelgianStrider)  Enkidu2017: This is like watching two fellas do a tug of war on a teeter tooter poised on a tight rope over a lava pit ....... I should sell tickets . BelgianStrider: Why should we do a tug of war ?  We just like open minded freedom of thinking and of speech... including freedom of religion. Not completely our fault that most decent people do have aversions against complete idiot indoctrinated members of any authoritarian system that wish to impose it's "truth" (full of clear and proven contradictions, btw). As Europeans (Africans, Asians and South-Americans too), we experienced what such systems might bring and those, not that funny, consequences. (especially, if they have tried to explain it by Darwinian sociology) So no thanks: one experience is quite enough - anyway, for me, here in Europe ... You hardly are able to claim science want to impose it's "truth" by any global conspiration. Many of their members are humble enough to say "I don't know; but who knows, we might get a possible answer in the future" ... It seems for me that a scientist is not that kind of indoctrinated idiot, handling circular logics, claiming to be amongst the only ones to posses "the only truth, the whole truth; you have to either accept it or die in hell"... Your choice (Edited by BelgianStrider) BelgianStrider: Pssssttttt : Trumpism make my skin hair raising up when they dare to claim "protecting" democracy. Idem ditto here in Europe: with all those extreme right nationalistic factions daring to claim the right for (unilateral) "freedom of speech" (though: don't dare to contradict them or you will feel it) and that they are the only "solution" to protect our democratic christian culture and morality ...  (Edited by BelgianStrider) BelgianStrider: Beaver let's have a  I know, I know, I have to give a round of Chimay and talk about the evolution of beer (or is it bear?? ) (Edited by BelgianStrider) BelgianStrider: Evolution is proven to be an imaginary fairy-tale made up by evil biased pseudo-scientific conspirators. Every well informed, well scientific educated and sensed, decent human knows that because the bible says so... (as the existence of the "natural universal time", and the - by bible - proven variability of isotopic decay) Squawk!!!!! (Edited by BelgianStrider) BelgianStrider: One of the stories I really like: A Drill Sergeant Master in front of freshly new recruits "I am here your Drill Sergeant Master, and I am your "god" here ... Now here are my rules ... Rule 1 : The Sergeant Master is always right. Rule 2 : When the Sergeant Master might be wrong, you will refer immediately to rule 1 ... Is that understood ??? " Most of the recruits look each other but keep silent. There is always THE one guy daring to make an analytical remark: "uueeeh ok Sergeant Master, but is there not a slight possibility that there might be some contradiction in that?" Where you have always THE illuminated with the greatest enlighten brains who will retorque: "You dumb idiot, how dare you to see illogic and contradictions in that statement... It is clearly not illogic and there are no contradictions at all because the Sergeant Master said it so ... You damned biased dishonest naïve nitwit !!! - go to hell !!!!" Rarara ... find the fallacious circular logic in that story (Edited by BelgianStrider) BelgianStrider: There are two corrections: One (and most important one) is decent education that learns you to analyse critically and logically. (recruit A versus recruit B) The second one is (and not that evident anymore) is "desindoctrination": meaning try to make them realize that they are biased by fallacies that makes them think circular. (recruit B is already in some way indoctrinated). Circular thinking is often used for indoctrination i.e. "Once Marine, always Marine" ... "A Marine is never left behind" ... "The Légion Etrangère are the best because we are better trained, I am a légionaire so I am the best. Why I am the best? Because la Légion is the best"... also "once légionaire , always légionaire" and "la Légion is your new family, you don't let your family down" ... I am not anti-militarist, they are (by experience) the most evident examples of circular logic. It is in fact a useful tool to get your recruits execute orders "without asking too much", also a great psychological support is that whatever happens they will be rescued, "You don't let your family down and you never left a member of the family behind" ... It is quite harder to observe it in "fanatical" religious factions (because the "accepted authorities" are individuals with quite high scholarships) - though, be sure of it, it is there. "Grosso modo" it can be resumed like this: "god's words are true. The bible is god's word, the bible has to be true. How can the bible be true, as there are clear contradictions in that book? Because it's god's word, so there are no contradictions and thus the bible is true ... (everything else is the work of satan) " And as MJ59 says "Evolution is all caca because it is a satanic worldwide conspiration against christianity the only one that has the truth" Squawk !!!!! (Edited by BelgianStrider) Enkidu2017: so............. what do you do with those without the faculty to comprehend that or the psychopaths that can manipulate that into some level of twisted malevolence ? BelgianStrider: Try to make them clear that they are manipulated: though you know it is solution B because solution A clearly did fail. If you keep silent you are just like the recruits C, the silent majority, knowing there are clear discrepancies but just keep silent. And yes some are beyond reasoning, those cases are called "lost cases". They also show clear evidences of lack of empathy and have often other strange illogic indoctrinated xenophobic opinions concerning "other humans" and a very strong unilateral opinion about freedom of opinion and speech (freedom of religion is even a taboo subject). Again; the best solution is decent education that allows you to analyse critically and think logically (what science try to do btw) ... (Edited by BelgianStrider) BelgianStrider: Concerning those psychopaths: well, they are - mostly - the guys holding the reins. Thus they cannot ""try to manipulate", they often are clearly busy into manipulating for their malevolence ... They definitively belong to the "lost cases". Also note that all those malice authoritarian systems clearly know that the best and easiest way for indoctrination is via education. nazism knew it; therefor, created hitlerjugend, incorporated very early an indoctrination program in the German education system from the very basic level to higher scholarships. (A small consideration to do: after WWII, the western powers introduced/imposed a denazification program in West Germany, though on the other hand "supported secretly" the "nazi resistance" in East Germany. Thus, in my humble opinion, there are no "East German neo-nazis".) It is not for nothing that those creationists/ID factions are so obstinate to introduce their (so called) "scientific" views in the US public education system and are so opposed about the "evolutionary biology" in US public schools... Education is a sword with two edges... (Edited by BelgianStrider) BelgianStrider: From "The Science of Evolution Is anything but Science" (there is of course no contradiction in the title) a nice and typical observation of guys like Blackshoes. "Camila, You're 100 percent correct, Yet, It doesn't hurt, to tell the truth. Besides, I don't have much to do' I'm retired and this discussion has benefitted me far more than I could have imagined. In defending and supporting the creationist theory, I've been forced to research the subject far deeper and learn more than I had ever expected I once just believed that all things were created. After the amount of research I've done over the years, it has caused me to know how ridiculous and unscientific, macroevolution and abiogenesis is. (Edited by Blackshoes) " Well that "bloody hot" (when looking her pictures in her profile - for me, quite contradicting behaviour for a convinced devoted christian) Camila wrote that evolutionists are brainwashed and it does not matter what you may tell to evolutionists. We can not be surprised that Blackshoes gives 100% correctness to that statement. Although, again the problem of circular logic is not amongst the "evolutionists" and they clearly admit there are still gaps but they might get filled with time. (you know the "I don't know yet" ). So how can an evolutionist been brainwashed by "I don't know yet"s ??? Ah yeeeeeeesssss, of course that satanic worldwide conspiration against christianity. We shall not go too deep into that clear "scientifically based" reason and of course that is clearly not an assumption without any factual evidences... God exists: satan "de facto" has to exists too.. Yeah, there is no illogic thinking in that.. even no theological base... Let us go further. He claims he gets far better insights about the "creationists science" by self-education - I, personally, will tend to describe that: by "self-indoctrination" -. Yeah, for sure, he is getting better insight he continually does miles long "cut and paste" from only creationists sites. You never can get any critical analyse made up from his own brain's made up analytical abilities or logic - tbh don't expect any... Just: "I repeat what an "authority" claimed" and I follow it blindly", we can not call that in some way the fallacy of authority, and it is not a quite clear evidence of the stupid sheep follower. (Hmm, to be honest, they do speak many times about sheep and shepherds in that book) And yeah, he seemed having got some better "scientific insights" like "variable isotopic decay" to explain why earth seems to be older in order of obtaining evidences for the "real existing historical facts" concerning a strange complete illogical story about a boat loaded with animals. Now: the explanation concerning the factuality of isotopic variation is to be found to the humour of god wanting to trick the scientists in disillusions... ( yeah  that's obviously not a circular logic).His other obstinate insight he got from those sites are the curvatures in the rocky sediments without any cracks. The only plausible explanation is, it can only be caused when it was wet. (Good ok, right, just try to roll very wet clay under water - good luck- I have to confess: it might seems to be a strawman fallacy, though, keep in mind, the whole world was flooded; It had to happen under water. Right?) Though just observe what ice, in other words a glacier - also quite hard material that you can not bend like that without cracks- , is doing from the top of the mountain. Just warm up some strong hard rubber and see how you can easily bend it, there are no reasons why rock cannot be bended very slowly - in millions of years - under high pressure and high temps. Scientifics are all agreeing that all natural hard material have a certain degree of plasticity and can change of shape in certain specific situations. Humm, for finding that you need to get advice in other non-creationists sites Hmm yeah, we have to admit, he got clear and better physical insights thanks to those creationists sites... One is due to god - in very good mood - tricking scientists. with variable isotopic decay The other is that rocky sediment had to be wet and can only be bent under water. All that for getting geological evidences. Otherwise, well, how to have a historical base for that boat story really happening? Nope nitwit those are no circular logics, they are consistent, plausible and true because it confirms the bible and the bible is god's word .. you biased dishonest idiot !!!! Let's assume that abiogenesis never happened - though some theories are quite plausible -. What in earth makes that evolution can not happen??? Because god created "man" at his image and just used six day. That's why. (btw on those days, also creationists seems to have some problems how to interpret those "days": some are convinced that the "day" was 24 hr , basta no discussion about it ... others dare to say those "days" might have been longer than 24 hr may be even looooong years. Ok, ok lets assume "man" was created at/in his image , though what with the Neanderthal ? mr hesp is convinced it was a "human" already from the "beginning" - does that not contradict the image of god,? How can he have two different images? And does that also not contradict the writings in the 19 centuries concerning that apelike brute from his "creationist's kinds"? What with the observations that dino's fossils are not mixed with mammoths, sable-tooth-tiger, homo sapiens? How can mr hesp explain that in the arch there have been dino's? Nononono, you are assuming all that and we know that the used dating system is fallacious and inaccurate. Well yeah, if you want to date 1000 years with carbon dating you can get a "wrong" estimation like it is maximum 10.000 years. We can compare that with measuring 11.11mm with a yard stick. the result of your measurement will be it is maximum one yard but probably quite smaller... How exactly much smaller? Though if you measure that same 11.11mm with a 2cm stick well you will probably get a better estimation that it has to be around 1 cm. That logic is applicable too in the other way .. i might suppose you will not measure 20,000 Km with a stick of 10 cm graduated to 1/2 mm... btw who will care it is 19,999.9999995 Km or 20,000.01KmWhat with evidences of transient species in fossils - our well known archaeopteryx - , in actual living transient organisms? Some examples: Ascidiacea - an invertebrate chordate -, Platypus - an egg-laying mammal - and well our funny otter, sealions/seals/walruses, manatees to end with the cetaceans - are that not clear steps from land to sea, similar steps can be seen from land turtle to sea-turtle Those can't be transient organisms, it has to be simply ignored. And all those so called observations are made up assumptions. Hmm may be ..but ignoring those clear observations and taking the opinion that they came like that (finger snap) to confirm a book are not prepositional assumptions at all. Ow, that is in fact not a fallacy of irrevocable preposition and interpreting the observations in such a way in order to confirm a predisposed dogma "god is the intelligent creator" and that dogma is "untouchable". In science, we know that no theory is "untouchable" and is always prone to peering and revisions. Impossible because scientist are satanic conspirators... Now: concerning the "impossibility" of abiogenesis: how to explain that little weird thing, called virus, - neither animal, neither vegetal - hardly responding at the known criteria of "living organism". Though, able to inflict in both biological kingdoms diseases and able to reproduce itself? The answer god can do everything is a simplistic non scientific answer. Whaaaaatttttt there are historical evidences (look at the bible) of intelligent design, how dare you to doubt about the very scientifically base of the statement "god can do everything" Btw blackshoes if you go to other sites; may be you might get insight concerning micro-evolution and macro-evolution and have a clear and better understanding of the phylogenetic tree. Though: you will never go there in those sites full of satanic worldwide conspirations full of made-up lies. Several people did tried to make him those things understandable in vain; mr zeff is an even more helpless pure xenophobic case. That's how those guys preach their "only and sole truth". That is how the exchange of "the clear concise and logical wisdom" of those 2 zealots happens. The SCIENCE of evolution is NO SCIENCE ... it is complete satanic bullocks ... Squawk !!!! (Edited by BelgianStrider) | Science Chat Room 1 Person Chatting Similar Conversations |
