Natural selection, my ass (Page 5)
AchillesSinatra: The point is: What does your powerful theory predict?
"That those organisms that are really tough will prevail over the 90-lb weaklings and get more alleles?
AchillesSinatra: Let's get back to basics, pal.
Is your theory about random mutation?
How can randomness be at all predictable?
theHating: Well, based on the number of genes an organism has, there is a band of certainty for predicting how much change, innately random, will be passed down to offspring. Then as I understand it, the pressures of nature select for white fur because white camo bears are harder to find in the arctic.
AchillesSinatra: "Well, based on the number of genes an organism has, there is a band of certainty for predicting how much change, innately random, will be passed down to offspring. "
And all biologists are agreed on this?
Ans: Of course they aren't.
Hey, you know what, I'd really like?
To make you think a bit.
I can see you're clever.
Thus far, you're just echoing.
I'd love you to think for yourself.
AchillesSinatra: Now, the first thing we have to get straight, my friend...
Ask ten biologists and you'll get ten ten different answers.
Nothing wrong with that.
As long as you think, you're a friend of mine.
theHating: Just how I understand it.
You're saying it has no explanatory power and that experts have been avoiding the philosophical issue.
I see how they ought to throw it out, but....
Are ring tailed lemurs not ring tailed lemurs under any condition?
theHating: "Ask ten biologists and you'll get ten ten different answers."
I asked an entire forum of biologists.
They all gave me the same answer.
AchillesSinatra: "You're saying it has no explanatory power and that experts have been avoiding the philosophical issue."
That's exactly what I'm saying. It has no explanatory power, as standardly formulated.
And some of the people I admire most agree. Read any Richard Lewontin?
Sir Loin: Achilles I realise now you didn't start this forum for a discussion on natural selection at all. Only to show what a fool you are.
AchillesSinatra: Sir Loin, I wouldn't want to attack a strawman. Let me summarize your position...
"I'm a fool"
Is this a fair encapsulation of your counterargument?
AchillesSinatra: I'll explain if you like.
I wouldn't mind so much if he hadn't been bragging about his critical thinking courses.
theHating: I think he's equivocating "thinking" with "gut response to someone criticising my favorite ideas"
theHating: Yea its kind of ironic.
Not really giving me any reason to go to university and learn ethics.