Natural selection, my ass (Page 5)

AchillesSinatra
AchillesSinatra: The point is: What does your powerful theory predict?

"That those organisms that are really tough will prevail over the 90-lb weaklings and get more alleles?
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AchillesSinatra
AchillesSinatra: Let's get back to basics, pal.

Is your theory about random mutation?

How can randomness be at all predictable?
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AchillesSinatra
AchillesSinatra: Yes yes, I know all about "non-random selection"
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theHating
theHating: Well, based on the number of genes an organism has, there is a band of certainty for predicting how much change, innately random, will be passed down to offspring. Then as I understand it, the pressures of nature select for white fur because white camo bears are harder to find in the arctic.
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AchillesSinatra
AchillesSinatra: Do you REALLY believe a ring-tailed lemur came about through random processes?

Stop and think for a bit, friend.

Yes yes, I know what you're gonna say
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AchillesSinatra
AchillesSinatra: "Well, based on the number of genes an organism has, there is a band of certainty for predicting how much change, innately random, will be passed down to offspring. "


And all biologists are agreed on this?

Ans: Of course they aren't.



Hey, you know what, I'd really like?

To make you think a bit.

I can see you're clever.

Thus far, you're just echoing.

I'd love you to think for yourself.

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theHating
theHating: A bunch of biologists literally told me that.
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AchillesSinatra
AchillesSinatra: Now, the first thing we have to get straight, my friend...


Ask ten biologists and you'll get ten ten different answers.

Nothing wrong with that.

As long as you think, you're a friend of mine.
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AchillesSinatra
AchillesSinatra: We must not think "Hey! scientists all say the same thing"

let's not be silly
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theHating
theHating: Just how I understand it.

You're saying it has no explanatory power and that experts have been avoiding the philosophical issue.

I see how they ought to throw it out, but....

Are ring tailed lemurs not ring tailed lemurs under any condition?
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theHating
theHating: "Ask ten biologists and you'll get ten ten different answers."

I asked an entire forum of biologists.

They all gave me the same answer.
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AchillesSinatra
AchillesSinatra: "You're saying it has no explanatory power and that experts have been avoiding the philosophical issue."

That's exactly what I'm saying. It has no explanatory power, as standardly formulated.

And some of the people I admire most agree. Read any Richard Lewontin?
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theHating
theHating: I only read sky mall.
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AchillesSinatra
AchillesSinatra: lol

Read him. He's very clever.

A bit of a rebel.

And you seem so too
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: Achilles I realise now you didn't start this forum for a discussion on natural selection at all. Only to show what a fool you are.
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AchillesSinatra
AchillesSinatra: Sir Loin, I wouldn't want to attack a strawman. Let me summarize your position...

"I'm a fool"

Is this a fair encapsulation of your counterargument?
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theHating
theHating: That describes just about everyone on the internet.

Lets get our pitch forks and torches
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AchillesSinatra
AchillesSinatra: Well if the idiot tells me a cat of nine tails is a cat, I can only despair for his students.

I assume you're familiar with the fallacy of equivocation, Mr Hating?
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AchillesSinatra
AchillesSinatra: I'll explain if you like.

I wouldn't mind so much if he hadn't been bragging about his critical thinking courses.
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theHating
theHating: Is that when miracles ARE explainable with science but not with *science*?
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AchillesSinatra
AchillesSinatra: No, it's like me saying "I like dogs"

And he says "I like them with mustard".
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theHating
theHating: I think he's equivocating "thinking" with "gut response to someone criticising my favorite ideas"
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AchillesSinatra
AchillesSinatra: He doesn't even know what it is.

You're my only hope, Mr Hating.
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theHating
theHating: Yea its kind of ironic.


Not really giving me any reason to go to university and learn ethics.
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AchillesSinatra
AchillesSinatra: Sir Loin keeps showing me his resume ...

"I'm a very important scientist and I teach courses in critical thinking"

What he has not done yet is display any of it. Perhaps he's shy.

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