The science of abiogenesis!

theHating
theHating: As they indicate in their study, considerable research in the past has been dedicated to finding out how peptides first formed and allowed for the emergence of life. However, all previous research has focused on amino acids, rather than the reactivity of their chemical precursors (known as aminonitriles).
Whereas aminonitriles require harsh conditions to form amino acids (typically strongly acidic or alkaline), amino acids need to be recharged with energy to form peptides. However, the researchers found a way to bypass both of these steps by demonstrating that peptides could be made directly from energy-rich aminonitriles.

https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-have-stumbled-upon-a-possible-missing-link-that-explains-the-origins-of-life
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Angry Beaver
Angry Beaver: Abiogenesis, or informally the origin of life, is the natural process by which life has arisen from non-living matter, such as simple organic compounds.
Abiogenesis - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

Abiogenesis – A brief history
Even though Darwin himself focused on the origin of species, some scientists have tried to apply the concept of evolution to the first life to form the concept of abiogenesis. In 1924, Russian biochemist Alexander Oparin proposed that living cells arose gradually from nonliving matter through a sequence of chemical reactions. According to Oparin, gases present in the atmosphere of primitive earth, when induced by lightening or other sources of energy, would react to form simple organic compounds. These compounds would subsequently self-assemble into increasingly complex molecules such as proteins. These, in turn, would organize themselves into living cells.

In 1953, Stanley Miller and Harold Urey tested Oparin’s hypothesis by conducting an experiment that attempted to simulate the atmospheric conditions of primitive earth. In their experiment, water boiled into vapor at the bottom of a flask and then passed through an apparatus, combining with ammonia, methane, and hydrogen. They then subjected the resulting mixture to a 50,000-volt-spark before cooling and collecting it in a trap at the bottom of the apparatus. When Miller and Urey examined the resulting tar-like substance, they found a collection of amino acids, the building blocks of life.
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duncan124
duncan124:

I doubt the first life used so many of the complex chemicals we do today.

But worse then that, life keeps on forming and coming back with new ideas. The process which can create complex amino acids and proteins can also create complex life forms and will do again.

As long as the earth is in good health it will do the same thing again and again.

The other question is could Earth create life as we mean it between ourselves without bodily form, a spirit life??
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theHating
theHating: Im not sure how you would define a spiritual existence, would you be like a plasma arc? Or a sponge-like amoeba?
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duncan124
duncan124:

It might have a job to move around but its spirit could be passed on from on from one recreation to another.

Animal life is so complex today you have to admit that it must have taken several twists and turns before it come to look like it does.
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theHating
theHating: But.. what are the alleged physical properties of "spirit", if there are any?
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duncan124
duncan124:
It could also be called an Intellect.

So in a very basic form. If you walked in to a valley and found say five standing stones and they saw or heard you , reacted to the light reflected off you or the changes in the air as you moved, it would be an intelligent system at least.

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theHating
theHating: So this "spirit" would have an intellect or are you saying the "spirit" IS "intellect" and can embody inorganic elements?
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theHating
theHating: I think im getting the concept.

"Spirit" is indifferent to material existence and wishes to express itself through organized recombinant living molecules.

How do you suppose the "spirit" begins crossing over into the material plane to affect rocks and sand?
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Angry Beaver
Angry Beaver: I prefer beer to spirits tbh
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duncan124
duncan124:

I was thinking of something like when metal filings are energised in to patterns after being put on to a loudspeaker.

If the Earth is creating life all the time with these complex chemicals even a weak link, compared to a connection within a body, would work too.
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Angry Beaver
Angry Beaver: i like it!!
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theHating
theHating: Lol, beaver, i didnt take you for a panentheist
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theHating
theHating: Is that even a word
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Angry Beaver
Angry Beaver:
Nar that's a god bothery word....I aint one of those lol
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theHating
theHating: Lol, yeah god sux!
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: The earth may be creating life all the time at the deep ocean volcanic vents. How would we know, the life that is already there would be stiff competition to any new comers.
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