Can evolution and creation ever be compatible?
Angry Beaver: For mine, science and religion both have their place in the world as both have brought good things to humanity in their own, respective ways.
I am not a fan of religion, but I can see many of the good works that have been done in it's name such as charities,caring for the needy and bringing peace and calm through its belief to some.
Someone else may not believe in evolution and science, but it, too has benefitted society immensely as a whole with medical advancements and biological innovations
I only engaged in the evolution forums as I believe it to be true and wanted to share why I believe such, as an ordinary person, with others.....not to be called "deluded", "an idiot", Illogical", "irrational" "brainwashed", "believer of pseudoscience" etc... Some of the debaters here expect you to have a science degree and explain in minute detail why you make certain statements, or start playing semantics to muddy what you say, I may not have a degree at all, but I am reasonably intelligent and can read at a very good level, so if I believe or disbelieve something, it's because I have thoroughly read it and understood what it says.
As previously stated, I believe in the science behind evolotion as science has brought many good things, so yes, I believe in science. I am only an ex train driver who only went to year 10, I am not a scientist, nor do I claim to know all the ways they reach their conclusions. But, seems legit to me
The flying Squirrel: Why cos its arrogance and pride . Some people on both sides do the same thing
yeah I cant handle the Im better than you style of debating eithere .
It kinda reminds me of American imperialism whether it be South America or the middle east doing the same thing over and over again.And expecting a different result This time for shore but thats another story
You forgot Troll
The flying Squirrel: It seems that way . Dont we call it the west cos Freedom is being able to express different views . Not just Ive got a gun Im free disagree and I will shoot you
Angry Beaver: As much as the apologists on here dispute evolution, it is accepted as a FACT by the majority of scientists, schools, universities and academia in general, so until they can have those people retract it, they should just shut up and deal with it.
I, for one will happily accept any definitive evidence they can produce to prove the theory wrong and gladly apologise.
Wishing it so, does not make it so, and no amount of copy/paste articles from creation.com will change it!.........only proper scientific rebuttal will, and I've not seen any of them offer up any "reputable" proof that isn't tainted by the author's bias due to their godliness. I mean, a scientist who believes god created everything and made the world go in the direction he required isn't going to assiduously follow leads which disprove the bible and genesis versions is he?
kittybobo34: I have no doubts about evolution, however abiogenesis is still being researched. Could be panspermia, could be God, could be chemical evolution. Right now I am leaning toward chemical evolution.
Angry Beaver: And that's what the other team don't get...we dont know and we aren't trying to kill off their deity
kittybobo34: hmm well I do have a big ass gun in a glass case, marked "in case of deity brake glass"
Angry Beaver: Gawd, It's so hard to argue with a die hard creationist, all you get back after presenting scientific evidence which has been peer reviewed and accepted as fact is reams of copy/paste articles from creation sites who cherry pick "facts" from legitimate scientists if they so much as say... "I propose" or anything that isn't stated as an absolute. Don't they realise that scientists will not state something as a 100% fact until it has been exhaustively researched and found to be so?
Saying "it's caca" is NOT a refutation, why do they never offer 100% credible, empirical answers as a rebuttal?..... because they have none?
Angry Beaver: The reaon I belive in science is, here in Australia science doesn't receive huge grants to do their research like overseas countries, yet despite that we have had breakthoughs and developments in:
The Bionic Ear
Lithium medical treatment
Black box flight recorder
Cell messengers as biomarkers
World tourism's carbon footprint
The life (and deaths) of the Great Barrier Reef
Koala genome sequenced
Simulating chemical bonds with quantum computers
Wheat-rust puzzle solved
Population of astronomical fast-radio bursts doubles
How climate stress impacts cities
Doomed star in Milky Way threatens gamma-ray burst....
So yes I believe our scientists have integrity and honesty
The flying Squirrel: Yeah I think Science has its place , I don"t see why it always has to go back to the Evolution argument , and then Just go well that makes all Scientists Money hungry Frauds , no one Knows whats in peoples hearts and what motavtes them , It might be a Sincere calling to help people or the world , And thats what there been called to do , I donno
I just dont hink we should be calling people frauds and Liers that are destened to Hell , In wireclub
The flying Squirrel: Yeah Exactly , Form where I sit Science and evolution , can never agree , But each to there Own , Im not going to Wright people off because of it
Geoff: The Catholic and Anglican churches are both able to accept evolution, just with a, "that's how God did it," codicil.
The problem is merely among those who take the book of Genesis literally.
And denial of science isn't generally the biggest problem amongst such people.
Angry Beaver: Another mistake people make is saying you believe in evolution because you are an atheist, which is so far from the truth....
Geoff: I don't "believe" in evolution, in much the same way that I don't believe in the computer I am typing this on.
To the best of my knowledge, based on the evidence available, the computer I am typing this on exists. In much the same way, evolution best explains speciation on Earth (and probably elsewhere in the universe).