Why is the climate changing. (Page 16)

theHating
theHating: non of us are climatologists, so im not going to pretend when the denialists have been wrapped up years ago
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theHating
theHating: its all very neatly folded up for me and everyone else to spam in the background
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Achilles942
Achilles942: My dyslexic friend is in daniel too
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theHating
theHating: lol, you mean zeffur? cuz he schooled you on your bible quotes and you got butthurt?
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theHating
theHating: hahahahahaha
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theHating
theHating: is daniel like a support program for fat chodes with lame ideas?
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The flying Squirrel
The flying Squirrel: Its not neaty folded up any thing . Look at France people canrt live cos of the price of energy from carbon credits . There still going every weekend . Werve had 10 governments in 7 years electrity prices are through the roof because of it . And you want to say its all neatly wrapped up . No its crazy
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The flying Squirrel
The flying Squirrel: Typical yank Al Gore Capitalism scam . Oh if you dont like the price of electricity. Go to another Electricity company. Thats the way to solve it they say . Create competition between companies. Deregulate everything
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theHating
theHating: i wasnt refering to the socio-economic issue, squirrel. im talking about the hacks that denialists promote to lie about AGW
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The flying Squirrel
The flying Squirrel: Yeah thats the problem , they all all get mixed Up LOL I donno get politions involved in anything and it ends up in desaster
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Here is a nice little quote from somewhere other than the demon site:

There are 3 main CO2 bands of IR absorption at wavelengths 1388, 667, 2349 cm-1 (HITRAN) and these are already saturated at current levels of CO2 in the atmosphere. Infra Red measurements from space show that the atmosphere is opaque at these wavelengths. However at high levels in the atmosphere this is not no longer true and this is the only argument for the enhanced greenhouse warming by CO2 warming which makes sense to me.

[ http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=1169 ]

There is plenty more on the subject at the above site for those with a passion for attacking me, so enjoy.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: All this arguing about CO2 takes it as a given that the solar energy reaching the earth's surface is constant. Alter the energy reaching the surface and the calculations go awry. Svensmark postulates that a more active sun will reduce the level of cosmic radiation bombarding the earth and thus reduce cloud formation. Less cloud, in turn, means more sunlight reaching the surface of the planet and thus more warming.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Something to think on:

Thick low-level layered clouds may reduce solar radiation intensity by 80 – 90%.

[ https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/joc.2432 ]

Though the situation with cloud cover is far more complicated than the above suggests, Svensmark's theory depends on low level cloud. So, the cloudier it is, the colder it is, and vice versa.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: The activity of the Sun over the last 11,400 years, i.e., back to the end of the last ice age on Earth, has now for the first time been reconstructed quantitatively by an international group of researchers led by Sami K. Solanki from the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research (Katlenburg-Lindau, Germany). The scientists have analyzed the radioactive isotopes in trees that lived thousands of years ago. As the scientists from Germany, Finland, and Switzerland report in the current issue of the science journal "Nature" from October 28, one needs to go back over 8,000 years in order to find a time when the Sun was, on average, as active as in the last 60 years. Based on a statistical study of earlier periods of increased solar activity, the researchers predict that the current level of high solar activity will probably continue only for a few more decades.

[ https://www.mpg.de/research/sun-activity-high ]
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: If the sun is the most active it's been for the last 11,400 years, one would expect the earth to feel the consequences.
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theHating
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Did anyone ask him about the sun, how it's more active than its been for a long, long time?
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: More from the demon site:

In a paper published in the Journal of Quaternary Science, Esper et al. (2014) write that tree-ring chronologies of maximum latewood density (MXD) “are most suitable to reconstruct annually resolved summer temperature variations of the late Holocene.” And working with what they call “the world’s two longest MXD-based climate reconstructions” – those of Melvin et al. (2013) and Esper et al. (2012) – they combined portions of each to produce a new-and-improved summer temperature history for northern Europe that stretches all the way “from 17 BC to the present.” And what did they thereby learn?

As the international team of researchers from the Czech Republic, Finland, Germany, Greece, Sweden and Switzerland describes it, this history depicts “a long-term cooling trend of -0.30°C per 1,000 years over the Common Era in northern Europe” (see figure below). Most important of all, however, they note that their temperature reconstruction “has centennial-scale variations superimposed on this trend,” which indicate that “conditions during Medieval and Roman times were probably warmer than in the late 20th century,” when the previously-rising post-Little Ice Age mean global air temperature hit a ceiling of sorts above which it has yet to penetrate.

And so we continue to collect ever more real-world evidence for the fact, that there is nothing unusual, unnatural or unprecedented about the Earth’s current level of warmth.

( Esper, J., Duthorn, E., Krusic, P.J., Timonen, M. and Buntgen, U. 2014. Northern European summer temperature variations over the Common Era from integrated tree-ring density records. Journal of Quaternary Science 29: 487-494. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jqs.2726/full )

[ https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/18/new-study-two-thousand-years-of-northern-european-summer-temperatures-show-a-downward-trend/ ]
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Consider, for example, the study of Fischer et al. (1999), who examined trends of atmospheric CO2 and air temperature derived from Antarctic ice core data that extended back in time a quarter of a million years. Over this extended period, the three most dramatic warming events experienced on earth were those associated with the terminations of the last three ice ages; and for each of these climatic transitions, earth's air temperature rose well in advance of any increase in atmospheric CO2. In fact, the air's CO2 content did not begin to rise until 400 to 1,000 years after the planet began to warm. Such findings have been corroborated by Mudelsee (2001), who examined the leads/lags of atmospheric CO2 concentration and air temperature over an even longer time period, finding that variations in atmospheric CO2 concentration lagged behind variations in air temperature by 1,300 to 5,000 years over the past 420,000 years.

[ http://www.co2science.org/subject/c/summaries/co2climatehistory.php ]
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Petit et al. (1999) have shown that during all of the glacial inceptions of the past half million years, temperature always dropped before the air's CO2 concentration declined; and their data indicate, in their own words, that "the CO2 decrease lags the temperature decrease by several thousand years." Clearly, therefore, changes in the air's CO2 content cannot be responsible for these major climate changes, for it would be a strange cause indeed that followed its effect!

[ http://www.co2science.org/subject/c/summaries/co2climatehistory.php ]
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Other studies periodically demonstrate a complete uncoupling of CO2 and temperature (Cheddadi et al., 1998; Gagan et al., 1998; Raymo et al., 1998). Steig (1999) for example, demonstrated that between 7,000 and 5,000 years ago, atmospheric CO2 concentrations increased by just over 10 ppm at a time when temperatures in both hemispheres cooled. Such findings were echoed by Indermuhle et al. (1999), who demonstrated that after the termination of the last great ice age, the CO2 content of the air gradually rose by approximately 25 ppm in almost linear fashion between 8,200 and 1,200 years ago, also during a period of time that saw a slow but steady decline in mean global air temperature, which results are obviously just the opposite of what would be expected if changes in atmospheric CO2 drove climate change in the way claimed by the popular CO2-greenhouse effect theory.

[ http://www.co2science.org/subject/c/summaries/co2climatehistory.php ]
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The flying Squirrel
The flying Squirrel: yeah The Problem Is they Latch ono one Thing Like the Co2 and Say If we dont don Something Immedetly , In 30 the Earth will be a Fire Ball ,The Seas will rise , In Greenland where the Ice has meled its revaling where they Used to Farm Kitty you Go thats why the Roman Empie collapsed, That not the Reason , The Sea leval is going to Rise , If there Got the techknology to Fase Coal out , In a Reasonable time frame well and Good , Sweeden the Uk there got 2050 , If they can do that fair enough , But all this does no one any good
Other Wise we would all be living In Industrial England with Smoke Stacks every where , Black Clouds
lol
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: If one was certain that the apostles of doom were correct then maybe one could accept the measures they advocate. But when the arguments over the science of climate change rage with enough energy to boil lead it becomes harder to suck up the supposed solution.
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The flying Squirrel
The flying Squirrel: Yeah well as Long as one of the Multilateral Soulitions Isnt Abola , all good I suppose
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: Ghost,, you are right, still too much debate, to get any commitment to the hard solutions
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