Why is the climate changing. (Page 131)

zeffur: I think Islam is the single greatest factor preventing them from killing each other more often. Institute atheism & when their oil runs out they will kill each other until they return to the stone ages.

kittybobo34: interesting thought, you may be right, Christian nations in that spot would have fought it out ages ago and formed a single nation.

Sir Loin: Agreed Kitty. Before Islam the Arab people led the world in science, medicine, geography and maths. Along came Muhammed and look where they are now.

zeffur: Religion doesn't prevent anyone from studying science, medicine, geography & math. That's a straw man that is designed to be a sleight to religion.

Sir Loin: Not so sure on that Zeff. It's stopped you studying evolutionary science

Sir Loin: Is it merely coincidence that Arab leadership in those fields declined as soon as they adopted Islam? I don't believe in coincidence

zeffur: On the contrary--I've learned more about evolution on my own than was ever taught to me. I read whatever interests me. Frankly, it's clear to me that evolution is a perversion of heredity & genetics. It offers no genuine truth whatsoever.

kittybobo34: Not true Zeff, religion affects the culture, like the Romans their science was very advanced, Christianity shut that down for nearly a 1000 years. It took the renaissance and Columbus to reprove that the world was round again.

Sir Loin: I refuse to get into this argument with you again Zeff. I've also studied the biblical account of creation and recognise it as pure superstition

Fractured fairy tale: If the US organises its self along Racial and or secterian lines . Like there doing
You will see the same thing . Break down of society

Sir Loin: Kitty aren't you confusing Catholicism with Christianity? The 2 are complete opposites. Christianity is based on the bible, Catholicism is based on idol worhip and greed

zeffur: re: "kittybobo34: Not true Zeff, religion affects the culture, like the Romans their science was very advanced, Christianity shut that down for nearly a 1000 years. It took the renaissance and Columbus to reprove that the world was round again."

Like most things, the Romans didn't invent anything--they conquered & took what was good & added to their system. Genius isn't stopped by religion or bogus ideology.

kittybobo34: Fft,, I doubt that will happen, if you noticed there were more white people marching than black in allot of those rallies., I think we are seeing a back lash to the racist view points of this government.

zeffur: re: "Sir Loin: I refuse to get into this argument with you again Zeff. I've also studied the biblical account of creation and recognise it as pure superstition"

Well, I guess some people aren't meant to grasp all truths.

kittybobo34: On that point,, I think both Sir Loin and I agree.

Sir Loin: Zeff I agree with you. You are living proof of your statement!

zeffur: You & kitty are living proof that you'll believe anything is true as long as it doesn't involve God.

Sir Loin: Who says evolution or any science doesn't involve God? What you mean is your interpretation of God I think.

kittybobo34: Sir,, you should look at "science of evolution is anything but science" bottom of page 213, there is a debate between Tour and Lee about origin of life and I summarized it at the end.

Fractured fairy tale: Yeah kitty We we end up like Easter Island one way or another
lol

zeffur: re: "zeffur: re: "Sir Loin: I refuse to get into this argument with you again Zeff."

Understood--you have no verified truths to offer--just faith/belief in your unsubstantiated fairy tale that is the myth of evolution.

ghostgeek: For more than 70 years, scientists have puzzled over the bewildering shapes of half-a-billion-year-old fossils that don’t look like any other organisms that have ever lived on Earth. Paleontologists haven’t even been able to tell whether many of these oddly shaped fossils from ancient oceans represent plants, animals, or some other life form. Now, traces of cholesterol—a signature of animal life—from a set of incredibly well-preserved fossils confirm that a creature called Dickinsonia, which looks a bit like a quilted bath mat, was in fact a strange animal.

[ https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/09/fossil-one-world-s-earliest-animals-according-fat-molecules-preserved-half-billion ]

So did Noah launch his Ark more than half-a-billion years ago or did God leave Adam to faff about for an incredibly long time?

zeffur: re: "ghostgeek: So did Noah launch his Ark more than half-a-billion years ago or did God leave Adam to faff about for an incredibly long time?"

Prove to us the dating methods that you accept through blind faith are in fact valid without assumptions. Also prove to us that that sample has actually been independently confirmed to be the age that is cited in that article.

We'll be waiting...

ghostgeek: Here we go again. Whenever science doesn't come up with a result that believers want to see they make out the science is wrong. I find it very strange that it is only those branches of science that conflict with belief that are found wanting.

zeffur: Dating methodologies have always been contested for many vaid reasons--this isn't a new issue. Stop pretending otherwise.