Why is the climate changing. (Page 118)

Sir Loin: I suggested you learn some atmospheric physics Zykra, most AGW alarmists have little understanding of the topic.
I know NASA fudges data to fit the climate models because they have admitted it and when I worked in this industry I was told to "correct" my figures to agree. It is the reason I quit. I will not work for a dishonest employer

Fractured fairy tale: Zykra Your prolly Rigt oil industry wanted electric cars to just be a Dream there proved thats wrong . Henry ford was tossing up whether to develop electric or petrol cars for the Masses. Who Knows where we would be now if Alternative scorces of Power were Developed .
Stii the debate wether producing them Causes more pollution.
All these thigs end uo my Scientist is more Credible than yours. How do you know the Scientist's arnt right who Say Crude oil is Naturally Occuring in the Earth and not the result of rotting Trees and that .
Cos your Scientists are onto a Good wicket
And dont want to loose Funding

Sir Loin: Like every other climate alarmist Zykra is refusing to debate the issue as soon as they're confronted with real science Fairy. It's a standard tactic members of the carbon industry use to turn a debate into a personal attack then run and hide.

ghostgeek: The price of US oil has turned negative for the first time in history.

That means oil producers are paying buyers to take the commodity off their hands over fears that storage capacity could run out in May.

[ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52350082 ]

The filling station I passed today on my walk seemed to have all the pumps out of action. I guess they weren't keen on paying motorists to fill up.

ghostgeek: I guess climate change activists must be giving thanks to Allah for answering their prayers.

ghostgeek: What we're seeing right now, with the fight against the Coronavirus, is a level of economic activity that should satisfy all those who shout about something needing to be done about climate.

kittybobo34: Ghost has a point, the carbon footprint is down by about 30% One would think the Oil Co's would just quit pumping for a while, leave the oil in the ground.

It will be interesting to see if the PPM of co2 in the air drops much at all, or is nature so maxed out in dealing with the excess co2 that it can't recover

Fractured fairy tale: They Can't just turn the wells off or they Stop Producing .and the well dies They can slow them down thats about it
Petrol prices are cheap here . But they wont give it away . Cos of Taxes

kittybobo34: Did not know that Fft,

Fractured fairy tale: Yeah thats what they Reckon .
Its like Mad Max. In reverse . There got to pay people to take it away
lol

chronology: Ghost, you raise an interesting point. Scientists have a unique and unprecedented opportunity to gather statistics during and after this global shut down. The last windfall for scientists like this was the air traffic shut down in the United States after 911.
The data gathered and studied after the shut down of aircraft flights was a little unsettling. It proved beyond any doubt that aircraft contrails were effecting the amount of sunlight reaching the ground. It is only a small shading effect but enough to need monitoring over the years.

I remember about ten year's ago enjoying a beautiful clear morning sky with not a cloud in sight. Then 5 or 6 aircraft went overhead at high altitude and the contrails they left in the sky slowly spread out and soon the entire sky had a thin haze of high altitude cloud. That was just 6 passenger aircraft. Imagine what thousands of such plane's are doing every hour around the world.

So you are right, it will be interesting to see just what the global effects of no cars airplanes or chimney stacks will have. Folks in Los Angeles are already enthusing about the fresh air and clear skies above LA.

ghostgeek: What it comes down to, as always, is a balancing act between having a pristine planet and having the wherewithal to support seven odd billion people.

kittybobo34: Pssss, we are closer to 8 billion now.

kittybobo34: The Chinese will have to come up with a better virus than this to put a dent in the population.

kittybobo34: oh another chink in their armor, the Chinese admitted they had the RNA sequenced on this virus back in early January..... hmmm someones been working on this for a while then.

Fractured fairy tale: Paper was published last may on this exact same virus. Between woohan and John Hopkins uni
So thay must of been working on it at least a year before then

Sir Loin: Corona virus has been around for millennia. The common cold is a corona virus. There was a similar illness to covid 19 5 years ago called SARS, in fact this one is also labelled SARS 2

kittybobo34: Because the virus keeps changing, they have had a hard time coming up wit any kind of vaccine. We are just going to have to get used to social limitations for a very long time, perhaps forever.

zeffur: A universal flu virus should have been developed long ago.
What's stopping the developmvent? Greed.

kittybobo34: THey have to find some feature of the virus that is universal, but not common to other agents , that has been difficult, but I hear they have been working on one.

zeffur: Just like they are working on a carburetor that will allow a vehicle to travel 250 mpg--oh wait---they already developed that & it is nicely parked on shelf somewhere for no one to use...

kittybobo34: Don't believe that , but the oil companies have done tons of research just to patient and shelve inventions that would reduce oil consumption.

chronology: Zeffa, the 250 carburettor is an urban myth. An engineer was telling me one time that any vehicle attempting such thin vapour injection would have major over heating issues. When David K 14 comes back he will explain it better than me. He looked into one back in the 60s.
David in his very streight talking way says it's all Bull Hockey.