Are Religious people Stupid? (Page 8)

mrsmargaret48: Your words "once again, theories tie together relevant facts. They are models/explanations. They are not themselves facts. A theory doesn't become anything other than a theory..."


We agree, a theory is NOT a fact so evolution is nothing more than a unscientific unproven theory.

TheismIsUntenable: No we do not agree.

Heliocentric THEORY
Atomic THEORY
Germ THEORY
Gravitational THEORY
Evolutionary THEORY

A theory is a robust explanation tying together all relevant facts concerning a particular thing.

Do atoms exist?
Do planets orbit the Sun?
Do germs exist and cause diseases?
Does gravity exist?

Evolution is no different than any other theory that I listed other than it perhaps is even better evidenced than they are.

It is entirely scientific, so again just fundamentally stupid comment by you.

Theories don't get proved. They get disproved. If a theory isn't disproved and best models the data then that model is the KING until a better one comes along.

When will you learn?

Adam Southworth: I think evolution is more than pure theory with no hard evidence to support it. There are something like seven lines of evidence I know of. I think the genetic evidence has most force. That said, Theism concedes that scientific theories (regal as they be) are not absolute truth and can be falsified and replaced, as Newton's theory of gravitation was replaced by Einstein's theory of general relativity and phlogiston theory by oxygen theory. As regards evolution, I find some of the criticisms raised by the intelligent design movement of interest, whose force some evolutionists concede and counter with "self-organization". This exchange reminds me of the use of inflation to explain features of the early universe.

Something else that the anti-religious side might be loath to concede is that there are well supported and less well supported scientific theories. There is the big bang theory on the one hand—which is supported by roughly ten lines of evidence,—the theory of inflation on the other; atomic theory on the one hand, the mathematics of string theory on the other.

GeraldtheGnome: A lot of mistakes were made on this forum.

Instead of anyone claiming that something is false just because he or she believes that it’s false should show how or why it is false. Anyone who cannot do that has no idea of what is true, what is possible and what is false.

GeraldtheGnome: Nothing was literally said by the one who simply thinks that everything about evolution is false. You typed up what you think is true, that is all that you did on here.

NNJGal01: Based on my life experiences, I would agree with the findings of this study although I agree that there are many exceptions. That being said, I remember reading that religious people live longer. There is a certain peace and comfort people receive from religion that science does not provide.

TheloniousSphereMonk: I do not agree. Science has brought me a great deal of peace and comfort in that it has freed me of the dark cloud of superstition and fear.

GeraldtheGnome: Errors were made on this forum. Oh the 'life experiences' bit, oh dear. I always hated that expression. We typed on here, we never said anything on here, literally. I have not seen anything for or against if religious people live longer or not, it looks like pure speculation to me. Religion gives the false sense of security in a sense, fear and paranoia about imaginary superstitious/supernatural beliefs that are in reality completely unrealistic.

Peace is a myth, things being calm and tranquil does happen at times though. No imagined god is going to answer prayers and reward anyone an afterlife that they wish for. It would be good on this site if everyone just communicated with each other as most people do away from the damn internet !

mrsmargaret48: TIU "Theories don't get proved. They get disproved. If a theory isn't disproved and best models the data then that model is the KING until a better one comes along"

Evolution then is like Dawkins aliens theory not based on scientific truth but mere speculation and is only KING until the next KING.

Gerald, sorry again I've not a clue what your on about, "religion gives the false sense of security in a sense, fear and paranoia about imaginary/supernatural beliefs that are completely unrealistic".

Security, fear and paranoia, how can you feel secure in a sense yet experience fear and paranoia. This view certainly wouldn't fit Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs model. I know you hate the expression but I would stick with your "life experiences" might be on safer ground.

https://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html

GeraldtheGnome: You don’t have a clue, not me, a scientific theory isn’t ‘just a theory’ as you unrealistic Creationists keep dismissively telling yourselves and others. Someone rather unconsciously and unknowingly has shown so many Richard Dawkins videos one after the other at times that yes, it is like he worships him in a godlike manner and it has nothing to with what he has told anyone about him. There have been a few times in a few videos were Richard Dawkins agreed with Creationists over rather silly things. So no, he’s not like a Pope of evolution, he’s actually not even worth Creationists and anyone else taking notice of. In one video he was so agreeable with the Creationists that I thought that they were going to pee themselves with excitement. Of course he must not have weakened his position to much with people who are not for creationism and for those who are not religious because next year he’s coming down under to Brisbane, Queensland, Australia, that’s where I live. So I’d rather not see stuff by him anymore, I like some of his stuff in the past like how we are all Atheists, which is true. Religious people believe in some gods, not in all gods, after all.

So I don’t know what this bit about Aliens is about and I don’t care. Mere speculation ? I recently left a forum where mere speculation was made and I was even asked to prove something that I was assumed to have claimed which I did not. So yes of course I’m not going to answer questions that really aren’t about what the questionnaire claimed they were about. You never have a clue about what myself and everyone who is not a creationist have ever told you, you most likely never will understand either. It’s as if the logic part of your brain was surgically removed long ago.

A false sense of security is when some religious person thinks that so long as they worship an invisible god or goddess, who no one has proven is around, then that one will protect him or or her in this life and in an unproven next one, so each religious person that believes in a god or goddess who fears that a god or goddess of their chosen god or goddess of worship get so paranoid about vengeance from a god or goddess that they let their superstitious beliefs dictate their lives because they are so paranoid that vengeance now and/or in an imagined afterlife will be brought upon them by a god or goddess who in reality is made up. Letting your life be run by your fear of going to an unproven Hell due to an imaginary god or is bad enough, ruining your way of life by believing in multiple imaginary gods (which is what any unaware Christian does) is even worse. The other problem is that the gods and goddesses that many religious people believe are certainly around right now when in reality every religious god and goddess is made up. Life experiences isn’t even proper English.

I love the way you made a heap of spelling errors when you were telling someone who you were crawling to how great his English is. Well you both at the time didn’t show what you claimed and before you made the false claim I did not have a go on his forum about it. You though assumed that I was having a go at him about it, I did not do such a thing, then of course that made him jump to conclusions. That by the way is the reason why I am now criticising you about, it is what you and that guy are still wrong about. He doesn’t come from a country where English is the main form of language and writing, that is why I was not having a go at him at the time. By the way Geralds is not the same as Gerald’s, so your judgement about who is better with English than anyone else’s means nothing when you are still unable to know the difference of what Gerald’s and Geralds means. One is a plural, work out which one is. Some people really have to think properly before they type anything, you for example should think properly before you type anything.

Use a thesaurus and dictionary properly and use the best words to use rather than just the words you prefer to use. Most people prefer the words that most people use, too many people on the internet do not do that. So ‘Troll’, stay off forums for now and only return when you can behave properly and when you are finally realistic about everything. Do not repeat the words of mine or of anyone else on here ever again. As it is it would be best that you apologized for everything that you have done that was wrong towards myself and others.

mrsmargaret48: Gerald, you often make no sense at all, errors were made your grammar is terrible. You have little knowledge or understanding of science or history. You take offence at even those who agree with you and to top it off YOU think you speak for other people. That said you add entertainment value, there you go I apologised lol.

GeraldtheGnome: Please stop lying, you are also a hypocrite. Never falsely accuse myself and others of anything ever again. You lied about everything just then. Your fantasy book is what you think is historically true and you are guilty of what of what you falsely accuse myself and others of. You just, belittle others, insult, lie, make false accusations and false claims regularly. That is what a Troll is and that is what you are.

Not every religious person is stupid, I hope though that most people notice you for who you really are. So leave every forum for now and only come back when you can behave properly. You can not understand anything properly, if you were capable of understanding everything properly then you wouldn’t be a creationist. Ignore me and ignore everyone else who you are way too easily offended by.

mrsmargaret48: Gerald I was talking about you not others. The fact is you pontificate the same uniformed nonsense and accuse others of what you are guilty of (that's a definition of hypocrisy by the way).

I am not offended by you, why would I be. You have not posted anything but a jumble of grammatically incorrect, unintelligible and unscientific cant. I suggest you think about leaving the forum as you contribute nothing but if you want to keep posting the same old claptrap don't expect to be ignored.

GeraldtheGnome: You lied, I also know that you love using big words that you think makes you smart by using those words, the thing is that they don’t bring about your desired result,, so stop using them and communicate with myself and others like most people do. You are nothing but a bully and a Troll to everyone except to those that you crawl to. Please stay away from forums, your unfair accusations, your lies, your false claims and atrocious behaviour do not belong on any forum.

Quit slandering, bullying and belittling myself and others. The only one out of us who is a hypocrite is you. So just ignore me from now on, ignore every forum. You do not understand that every religious god is made up, that nothing was created and that you are in the wrong in any other way possible. You have repeatedly told me and others the same nonsense over and over again. You have nothing new and worthwhile to tell anyone. So goodbye compulsive liar, do not return to any forum before you are able to behave appropriately. Cease accusing me of everything that you are guilty of. You just think that you are always right and that I am always wrong, you are so wrong about that. A standard theory is not the same as a scientific theory.

mrsmargaret48: Gerald, not ignoring you. Keep posting your pompous the big I am fantasies you can expect a lot more from me and others.

bonzono: actually I dont know if ALL religious people are ''stupid''. I think MOST religious people are stupid - certainly, but ALL religious people are just flat out intellectually dishonest.

Religion is illogical and nonsensical. The degree depends on the religion and sec, certainly JWs are among the most flat out ignorant- mormons equally so - but the depth of stupidity and ignorance depends on the individual.

Having said that, ALL religious people are intellectually dishonest - they attempt to glorify their dishonesty by calling it 'faith' - as if that gives them an excuse to make up a god and pretend it's real (or borrow someone else's' made up god and pretend it's real).

Even a teenager can recognise the intellectual dishonesty inherent in making up a being and pretending it's real - which is why teenagers generally dont believe in santa.

Yet... idiot religious nutjobs are quite happy to insist their santa/god exists.. The stupid is real.

GeraldtheGnome: She is dishonest, she is hiding things from others. She also loves making false accusations and false claims. Not all religious people are stupid, that though does not mean that there aren't stupid religious people though.

mrsmargaret48: Even stupid people get their facts right sometimes, gone way beyond stupid. I would never accuse you of hiding, you make it abundantly clear with each post you haven't a clue what your talking about.

bonzono, I am sure your very knowledgeable about Santa but I would leave the intellectual stuff up to people with an intellect.

bonzono: Thanks marg. Actually you just seem like a simpleton troll to me - I wont need to communicate with you much, unless it's to provoke you to continue being a troll.

'even stupid people get their facts right sometimes'.
Sure, and a stopped clock is right twice a day - it's still a dysfunctional clock.

GeraldtheGnome: When religious bias is not used then religious people are not too bad. Those of religious cults are very stupid though. Science and religion should not be mixed together.

bonzono: there is nothing wrong at all with religion when it's purely contained within one's mind. Similarly, there is nothing wrong with murder when it's purely contained within one's mind.

The problems with religion arise only when the douchebags who think they have a divine right to babble like a mindless cretin, run about suggesting their mythology is true.. cos.. they said so.

mrsmargaret48: bonzono that's a great example of cognitive dissonance.

Education is a wonderful thing you must try it some time.

karlball777: Without a doubt.
Religion is a crutch for weak minded people IMO.
NONE of it makes any sense whatsoever, so many God's out there it's confusing, PMSL.
ALL I ask is provide the proof, the evidence....they cannot, just the same as I cannot prove the Hulk isn't real.

karlball777: FORTUNATELY my father is a scientist, so I have a science based mind and approach to everything.

ParalaxMan: I don”t think all religious people are stupid. SOme are really clever, but on the other hand, some are decidedly whacko. “God created everything from nothing” they claim. ,”Anyone who disagrees is lying.” I kid you not. It’s difficult to decide what to believe, but I have a feeling science and evolution is the best bet. There is much archaeology, palaeontology and human physiology to back-up evolution. All creatism has is the Bible and most of that is directly contradicted by the Dead Sea scrolls.