Creationism is a mental illness (Page 10)
There is always the stop at the bottom!
At least Creationists had the courage to have a rebellious and original belief even if the other Christians were hedging and ameliorating there way around issues.
We must be much like them, but not them, if we wish to survive and prosper.
ghostgeek: What is original about Creationism? Their line, "God made it, end of story", is as old as the hills. What is rebellious is the idea that God may reside in the imagination and nowhere else.
kittybobo34: The original thing with them is that they try to use science to make their point. It takes a very uneducated understanding of science to accomplish this, but then thats who they are.
I don't think the first ones in the USA who actually turned around and said "Well No, I think God made it, end of story" believed in any science.
They were the ones that brought the response that created the title of this thread.
What is rebellious is that we all have imagination and reside nowhere else.
And people are willing to use their minds for themselves. Church, State and Roon and the Fake Humans all won't allow it.
fh24: It may help if more would grasp the idea of gaining some intellectual benefit by being more actively involved in the social process of stimulation each others critical faculties so we can start to eliminate ALL the mind pollutants & ALL the BS which supports their continued existence in this sick, consumption driven, mindless society.
Religion is at the top, followed by blind nationalism , ignorant political propaganda & brain dead commercialism ..
Why bother dreaming of a cleaner natural environment with all these polluted minds not knowing the difference between formulating a critical thought & asking another retarded question, like who created your subjective understanding of reality for you?
Quantum Zero31: not gonna argue with Geoff, BUT the odds of there being any gods are about the same as idiots realising themselves from others viewpoints and forevermore dissapearing and just not annoying anyone anymore
Thank you for listening!
kittybobo34: Personally I am hoping the Norse Gods are the right ones. I kinda like the idea of partying for eternity with Thor (Chris Hemsley), He's a hotty
Petergent: Calling creationists mentally ill is a bit of a stretch. Misguided, intellectually lazy, yes. As pointed out earlier, it requires much less mental energy to blindly accept ancient legends than to study, ponder and contribute to scientific discovery.
Then there are those who answer with a condescending tone, dispersing silly emotes and irrelevant quotes throughout their posts. They evidentially believe this makes them appear intelligent, when all the while they come off as ignorant jackasses.
xylance: You can't just dismiss the evidence because you don't like it. Science has not been able to disprove a creator. History can prove the existence of belief in gods long before the idea of one god. If Darwins theory of evolution is right there would be no such thing as morality.
Ancient writings from non-Christian and anti-Christian sources, confirm that Jesus in fact lived, died by crucifixion, was believed by many to be resurrected from the dead, convinced people he could heal, and his many followers were willing to suffer and die for what they claimed to have seen with their own eyes - not because of a story they'd heard.
Christianity was original in many of its beliefs: god as a man, god could be put to death, god revealing himself to a woman, etc there's loads of Christian beliefs that were considered disgusting, inconceivable, rebellious for god believers at that time.
To dismiss the Christian claim without reason is not enough. How do you explain the existence of Christianity in the first century? How do you explain why people were willing to die for something they claimed to of witnessed. The fact Christianity exploded overnight and even in the biblical account the disciples were not believers until after the resurrection so what happened?
Petergent: Well stated, xylance. Although I don't understand what Darwin's evolutionary model of speciation (there is no stand alone 'theory of evolution' has to do with morality. Morals are subjective and a product of culture and need. Morality shifts and adapts as societies change, as well it should. If I have picked anything from the teachings of Christ it is to not judge those who think differently than I. Disagree, perhaps. Judge, not my place.
fh24: Hey xylance, if dinosaurs were created by natural processes with out any help from any gods of any kind, since gods only had their origins in & sprang from superstitious, poorly educated cave dwellers minds who feared the thunder but also made fire into one of their gods, what scientific evidence are you looking for to see as clearly as can be, that nature has no use of any kind of gods, never had & never will ...
You are just fooling yourself with all your story telling about your special Christian god - same BS only in blue
If you like to keep your mind polluted with religious myths & make that sick mind space your own personal reality, you sure are in good company among the many who are still not sure where to find a clearer understanding of reality free of all that historic BS you are going on about to get the human mind just a bit better equipped to do real applied research on a daily bases even from the perspective of a peasant or an ordinary city dweller ...
What satisfaction can you possible gain in the long run keeping your brain in revers gear & your emotions linked to an obvious mythological illusion?
lgs1013: A few comments if I may? First of all, you misuse the word 'obvious' It may seem obvious to you, but that is purely subjective, and nothing about creation, is that evident. Polluted? How is a belief in tenants of goodness and brotherhood a pollution of either the body, or the mind? Dinosaurs evolved, but from what? Working backwards, it could be argued that they evolved from microbial life. But what would be the primary base for micros to evolve from?
Everything, including the universe, has an origin. The 'big bang' suggests that the universe is expanding from a central point. What caused this?
There is absolutely NO scientific theory that supports the notion of spontaneous creation of matter from nothing. There was a creator. Greater minds than ours who spent most of their lives thinking much as you do recognized this later in life. Einstein was actually working on a mathematical equation proving the existence of God before his death.
Whose mind is closed?
sebtheanimal: It bothers me to an extent that you may be right.
I am an Atheist to the full extent of the meaning.
And if you are right, It bothers me none.
Petergent: fh24, you have in past posts made clear, insightful comments. Your 'polluted minds post shows only the same arrogant, narrow mindset I usually associate with the most rabid religious fundamentalist. While I do not share sebtheanimal's atheism, I respect his open-minded perspective.
fh24: Irrationali thinking like lgs1013 is obviously very good at, doen't have to be excused as a mind defect, it's plain ignorance ... .
How long will he go on looking for his beloved god to find him & the beginning of a continuous natural process with - yes Peter, a religion polluted mind, not able or willing to grasp, yes folks, a quite obvious reality, that nature has no use for ANY gods or ANY of your religious absurdities even though many confused minds are still holding on to it for fear a religion free life will not provide them with easy answers & may be emotionally or intellectually a bit harder to grasp than the BS they. have been indoctrinated since birth.
Should that be enough of an excuse to keep a sick society afloat? Click the link below if you are serious about an answer to this question - ok?
Why don't you try to put your little pea brains around that fact for once ... and than see if your mind will start to take you places worthy of advancing your intellect to, instead of going through the dead end mind space of our social & cultural evolution for the rest of your life ... ahahah
This will help you out if you get stuck ... https://youtube.com/watch?v=rg1nSvYgCYE
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Petergent: Ah yes, the elitist. The smug, sanctimonious, self proclaimed prophet of 'truth'. Not to blindly follow your doctrine is to be labeled a 'pea brain' in possession of a 'confused mind'. From such mind sets have risen despots, tyrants, dictators. I'll pass. I find a free-thinking society much healthier.
kittybobo34: He could be meaning that God is all of us put together. Sort of like a race consciousness. Of course that would be a different sort of God than the standard bearded guy in the white sheet .