Creationism is a mental illness (Page 9)
kittybobo34: I suppose you could say that, but creationism, tries to put science on their side, rather than religion.
kittybobo34: unfortunately they tend to use a really bad understanding of science in their argument.
fustler: They? I'm Fussy. I'm not they. I'm a literal-assed pragmatist. If you think that the Universe was created according to the gospel of Hawking, then you are also a creationist. Fun with semantics...
kittybobo34: I see, I was going by the general understanding of creationists as a group trying to use science as a proof for God. I am not a religious person myself.
fustler: No! Science is not a political tool! Make no mistake; religion is indeed a socially ascribed construct designed to control the ignorant. So, if you will...
As sure asGod created humanity... Humanity created religion. That being the case... Science is the same whether you believe it or not. Science requires no faith, only diligence...
fh24: With some basic understanding of probability, we can all agree, rainbows are a purely natural creation - no gods were ever involved in creating them ... to a very high degree of certainty. The same holds true for the solar system, the whole cosmic structure and the universe.
Gods, and all the various religious believes were invented by humans, as have all kinds of theories and philosophies which nature has no use for at all to function and unfold around us, never has and never will.
You will do much better to try and understand how nature does things being the foundation to our objective reality, by studying natural science and philosophy of science than you may ever get out of any religious texts or mystical literature.
lgs1013: It's really not an argument of semantics. There is no scientific basis for somethingness out of nothingness.Logic demands that there is to all things, an origin. And the origin was created. Therefore, anything that created the origins of the universe is by definition, a Supreme Being.
fh24: That's how simplistic minds manage to ignore the true power of nature just so they can keep pretending constant change & transformation is either not part of reality or has to require a mystical man made god just to turn a caterpillar into a moth ... the natural potential to create what ever gets routinely changed, transformed, repositioned, modified or put through metamorphosis, etc seams to be beyond your grasp, eh?
NATURE IS supreme! Try to get this into your head ... and then come back if you like to seriously discuss how nature really works totally free of any of your mysterious supreme beings ... ahahaha
kittybobo34: Personally I am content to put the origin of the universe or previous universes on the back burner till we know more. Given the sheer size of it all, we are smaller and less significant to the universe, than a bacteria on a grain of sand to man,,, for a God that could have created all this. That this God would need us to worship him is ridiculous. That he would have created us or this planet in particular, even more unlikely.
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Bobo's turned veggie on us!!...Oh no, wait! If the Buddist ideas that we should respect all life is n't it, its the mega trees which regard us as mere bacteria....so we have to eat just minerals ...before the rocks bite back!?