Creationism is a mental illness (Page 63)

Angry Beaver: Yer a shocker

Precious Pea:

Angry Beaver: shhhh

Precious Pea: you shusssh

Precious Pea: Squirrel you're loitering

Angry Beaver: *BURP*.... scuse me

Zeff, say something fucking stupid

kittybobo34: I think all religions are a mental illness

zeffur: But making a belief system out of pretending nature must have magically done what it can't do is so much better, huh?

Nicotina: “magically” is where you are categorically wrong

kittybobo34: Science is slowly focusing this down. We know how Proteins are not alive,but they move on their own, and are made of a combination of 22 amino acids. We know that amino acids are made by the barrel full at the deep ocean vents, and that they tend to link together. We have found very simplistic bacteria (don't use DNA) at those same vents. The odds of a natural progression just keep improving the more we find out about it.

zeffur: Prove it, Nicotina. Show us all how nature created dna. How it formed creatures that breed through sexual reproduction.

And please refrain from bs guessing. We'd all really like to know how unrefined minerals & other elements plus natural forces pulled off that magic trick without any intelligence.

Nicotina: You want me to explain abiogenesis here?

zeffur: My challenge was quite clear.

Nicotina: That’s going to take a few hundred pages

Angry Beaver: Thanks for the stupid zeff, yer a champ

Here you go, here's a link to a creationist with an open mind OMG! lol
He says on his pages
"As I've said on other pages, I do not like to use the term creationist, as though these believers accept creation while theistic evolutionists, like myself, do not. It's not true. I am a creationist because I believe that God created all things, but I do not reject evolution."

https://www.proof-of-evolution.com/abiogenesis.html

zeffur: re: "Nicotina: That’s going to take a few hundred pages "

I seriously doubt it. If any of it (evolution) was true it should be easy for you to definitively & credibly show (after 150 years of discovery, analysis, & presentation) the facts that prove evolution claims are valid/true.

You type such a statement to avoid having to show you have ZERO credible evidence & cogent explanations that definitively & credibly shows evolution's claims are valid/true.

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Irrelevant, Beav. There are evolutionists who believe in God as well.
Their contradictions are based on the poorly drawn distinctions around what is & what isn't a species (compared to what are simply variations of a kind) & what does & doesn't constitute an 'evolution' event vs simply the historical record of all of the variations of every kind of creature that is present in fossils & other finds.

I don't have such a contradiction. My position is that 'evolution' is at best a confusion about the source of & natural variations within every kind of creature and at worse a willfully orchestrated deception that is designed to pretend that nature has the power to invent complex life on its own & magically morph into billions of creatures primarily through *unproven* natural selection events & *unproven* mutations over long periods of time. In all cases evolution is based ONLY on the subjective opinions & misrepresentations of naturalismists who have deceived the public, gotten into the education systems to indoctrinate/brainwash unsuspecting children, & mislead as many other people as possible with the folly of their indefensible claims.

kittybobo34: The only way creationism could work is that God is still around still making new creatures . Because we don't find todays species in the past or very many of the past species in the now. So they ether evolved or were created on the fly.

AchillesSinatra: But Kitty....


"Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door."
- Richard Lewontin, "Billions and Billions of Demons" (New York Review of Books)

zeffur: "kittybobo34: The only way creationism could work is that God is still around still making new creatures . Because we don't find todays species in the past or very many of the past species in the now. So they ether evolved or were created on the fly. "

My supposition is that creatures have been brought to earth at different times for different purposes.

Given that kind-level macro-evolution has never ever been shown to have ever occurred, that is simply your supposition.

AchillesSinatra: Get the point?

AchillesSinatra: The point is.... you have pretty much banned God
I don't believe in him either..


But claiming there is no evidence for him, while at the same time disallowing evidence for him, is...


well, you tell me?

Hypocritical?

kittybobo34: Zeff,, ok , possible, one would have to account for the fact that these newer creatures have the same DNA with subtle changes as the last group that may or may not still exist.

kittybobo34: Ach,,, we havn't banned God, just weighed the evidence and given it a very low possiblity.

AchillesSinatra: Kitty... I'm gonna post something very soon.

You're clever enough to understand it...

Don't go away...

zeffur: re: "kittybobo34: Zeff,, ok , possible, one would have to account for the fact that these newer creatures have the same DNA with subtle changes as the last group that may or may not still exist."

Indeed...and that's easy to do. Earth is a carbon based system which would necessitate a DNA palette that all such life forms originate from. Start with the full palette & derive simpler orgasms from the master palette using biological tools to customize that palette. All those 'apparently unused' DNA base pairs are likely the residue of the full palette that was biologically customized to create any specific creature.

And btw, the 'don't still exist' group are simply creatures that couldn't survive the extremes of earths changing dynamics.

It is also possible that a subset of the full palette is used for much simpler life forms with much less complex DNA.

There is of course also the possibility that off-world beings (ETs, God/gods/aliens, etc) built up the palette from simple to more complex DNA over time by design or perhaps as they advanced their tech (not saying God is infinite, supernatural, or other beings didn't also bio-engineer creatures that existed on earth--we just don't know that much about such ETs).