Creationism is a mental illness (Page 233) BelgianStrider: Interesting how christians treat christians, and how christians start to wonder about that religion indoctrinated by anti-science dummies! (Edited by BelgianStrider)  kittybobo34: DNA is not a binary code, its Quad., 4 different types of amino acids. Apparently there was life before DNA, as proved by the last deep mission into the trench, where they recovered some simple bacteria that only had RNA. That would put it a minor step ahead of a virus in complexity. BelgianStrider: I never said DNA is a binary code. Just took Binary code as an example of it's existence before being "used and interpreted" in an "usefull" manner by (human) "intelligence". The same is valid fo DNA (that quad code) was there before any "intelligence" could put any interpretation on it. All what it is are chemical molecules initiating chemical processes in a very natural way. Nowadays; quite well understood by microbiologists and bio-chemists! (Edited by BelgianStrider) kittybobo34: Actually I was thinking about that Quad code, an intelligence would have made that into a base 16 Hex code, using the same 4 amino acids. Nature screwed up and is using it inefficiently.  AretoNyx: I think my flu and covid jabs are working a bit because of all the sick folks I face in retail...have not caught anything yet. AretoNyx: Nico there is pride in ignorance and hate of facts whatever education by many. So there is conditioning in cult like ways for many so I can understand why so many are illiterate especially about science and scientific method. kittybobo34: It is amazing just how illiterate, and ignorant of the sciences, so many are.. Makes me worry about the survival of the human race.  ghostgeek: The illiterate and ignorant always survive. It is the highly educated you have to worry about. kittybobo34: A new tool in the biology kit. Instead of a mRNA to carry the copy of the evil virus. They have a ghost virus, the RNA of the virus is removed, with the mRNA replacing it. BelgianStrider: When you read what two guys, ad nauseam, repeatedly post in 657 pages at the forum "The Science of Evolution Is anything but Science"; you can only come to the concusion: the title of this forum is correct. BelgianStrider: From the mentionned forum "The Science of Evolution Is anything but Science": Blackshoes (the moderator, lately in a frenzy state of insane censoring) : "Harpy There are 657 pages of evidence facts and science that we have endlessly provided to you and anyone that has enough sense, reason, logic, and intelligence to overcome their evolutionary programming bias and read again! It's obvious that you are not capable of understanding anything that doesn't tickle your ears! As far as proof is concerned? It's impossible to prove anything to a fool when they haven't enough sense nor intellect to read understand and believe the evidence presented. And I don't care which of us you consider the fool. The result remains the same! You don't have a clue and will continual preach your pseudoscience religion and fairytale Never being open enough to accept the fact that Abiogenesis is naturalistically IMPOSSIBLE and that macroevolution is genetic unverified, implausible, and has never been observed nor repeated, besides all of that evolutionist's own research has falsified macroevolution with the longest running research in history with bacteria." Yup: 657 pages of text walls of creationist's blogs from ๐ฌ๐ญ๐๐ฉ๐ก๐๐ง ๐ฆ๐๐ฒ๐๐ซ (Discovery Institute - DI), ๐ฅ๐๐ฎ๐ซ๐๐ง๐๐ ๐. ๐ฌ๐ฆ๐๐ซ๐ญ (www.unmaskingevolution.com), ๐๐๐ซ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐ฌ๐ค๐ข (DI), ๐ฃ. ๐ญ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ (DI), ๐๐ซ๐ฎ๐.๐๐ซ๐ข๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐ซ๐๐ก๐ข๐ฏ๐ - ๐๐น๐ฑ๐ฐ๐ด๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐๐บ๐ต๐ฉ ๐ฐ๐ง ๐๐ท๐ฐ๐ญ๐ถ๐ต๐ช๐ฐ๐ฏ, ๐ฃ๐จ๐ก๐ง ๐ฆ๐ข๐๐ก๐๐๐ฅ ๐๐ข๐ฌ๐๐ก๐๐ซ (http://www.newgeology.us), ๐๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ ๐ฎ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ข๐ฎ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐๐ง ๐๐จ๐ซ๐๐ง (Creation Ministries International), ๐๐ก๐๐ซ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ ๐ฆ๐๐๐จ๐ฆ๐๐ฌ (Genesis Ministries + Institute for Creation Research - ICR), ๐๐๐ญ๐ญ๐ฅ๐๐๐ซ๐ฒ from Chick publications, ๐๐ก๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐จ๐ฉ๐ก๐๐ซ ๐ฃ. ๐. ๐ฃ๐จ๐ก๐ง๐ฌ๐จ๐ง (Creation Liberty Evangelism), ๐๐จ๐๐ข๐ ๐ก๐จ๐๐ ๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ ๐ฉ๐ฎ๐ซ๐๐จ๐ฆ ( Answers in Genesis - note ๐๐๐ !!! ), ๐ฆ๐ข๐๐ก๐๐๐ฅ ๐ฃ๐จ๐ฌ๐๐ฉ๐ก ๐๐๐ก๐ ( Center for Science and Culture DI). All creationists "brabling" outside their domain of expertise, publishing reviews through creationist's institutions, though never as articles in scientist's publications for peer reviewing! Why?  May be they know all too well, what would happen with their articles if reviewed by experts in those specific scientific fields. As for BlackShoes: Not a single scientific text wall from an expert in that field !!! Isn't that a symptom of creationist's mental illness? (Edited by BelgianStrider) ghostgeek: At a landmark international conference recently [7-9 November] organised by the Royal Society and the British Academy, several speakers called for a revision of the theory of biological evolution that has been largely unquestioned in the UK and the USA for around 70 years. This paradigm - a combination of Darwinism, population genetics, and what Francis Crick called the central dogma of evolutionary biology - is known as NeoDarwinism, or the Modern Synthesis. Popularised by Richard Dawkins in his bestselling 1976 book The Selfish Gene, it is a statistical model validated not by observation or experiment, but by simplistic games models borrowed from 1940s economics. Those speakers drew attention to several empirically supported mechanisms, discussed along with others in COSMOSAPIENS Human Evolution from the Origin of the Universe. Some of these were only identified recently, but others have been known for many years and were ignored, dismissed and even suppressed by the Anglo-American biology establishment who had come to treat NeoDarwinism as an article of faith. The defining tenets of NeoDarwinism are: Random gene mutations cause traits in individual life forms that enable successful Darwinian competition for survival and reproduction; these random gene mutations spread through a populationโs gene pool by sexual reproduction; these mutations gradually accumulate in the populationโs gene pool over tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of generations, until that population is transformed into a new species; information flows in one direction from a gene to an organism. No observational or experimental evidence supports the evolution of a new species by this NeoDarwinian mechanism. On the contrary, Darwinian competition causes the most widespread biological phenomenon, the destruction of species. Adherents of this gene-centric belief dismissed the 98 per cent of the human genome that does not consist of genes as โjunk DNAโ. Conversely, a major 2012 study shows that some 80 per cent of this โjunk DNAโ comprises collaborating networks that regulate how and when particular genes function. Collaboration, too, in various ways characterises most of the alternative mechanisms that can rapidly generate a new species. [ https://www.sciencefocus.com/nature/is-it-time-to-drop-darwinism/ ] ghostgeek: Symbiogenesis, for example, is the process by which two different single-celled organisms, such as bacteria, collaborated for their mutual survival and then merged to form a third, much more complex organism, a member of a new species. Serial symbiogenesis explains how the first, very simple, lifeforms on Earth evolved into the vast variety of species from plants to animals. Horizontal gene transfer involves an organism immediately acquiring DNA, often from an organism of a different species, that creates a third kind of organism with novel characteristics. Around 80 per cent of the genome of most species on the planet are generated this way, rather than through Darwinโs vertical descent with modification down tens of thousands of generations. Whole genome duplication during reproduction creates an organism with additional copies of the entire genome of a species in its cells, causing a major evolution of that species. This was known to be widespread among fish and amphibians. Evidence has accumulated that it also occurs in reptiles and rats. Moreover, studies of the human genome strongly suggest that it occurred at least twice in the human lineage. Evidence from systems biology shows that, instead of genes directing the evolution of organisms, the whole system of genomes, cells, tissues, organisms and their environment is a dynamic interactive whole with no privileged level of causality for evolution. It was fitting that the conference was held at the Royal Society, whose motto Nullius in Verbameans โaccept nothing on authorityโ. Science progresses only by discarding theories that donโt fit the evidence, and developing new theories that do explain it. While some speakers defended the current paradigm, others called for an extension of the NeoDarwinian evolutionary synthesis to accommodate these alternatives. However, such mechanisms contradict NeoDarwinism. You canโt extend something that is broken. After 70 years it is time to move on, and use ideas supported by evidence to develop a new paradigm for evolutionary biology. [ https://www.sciencefocus.com/nature/is-it-time-to-drop-darwinism/ ] BelgianStrider: I am not sure, as I do not folow intrinsically ToE, I was thinking that pure Darwinism and Neo-Darwinism became obsolete in some way. What does not mean that the base of those typical perspectives are completely wrong. ToE is one of those specific scientific domains that get new insights and ideas more fast than a bullet gets out from a gun. Revolutionary discoveries (i.e. soft elements in Dino's bones) do oblige experts often to reconsider their "knowledge". Concerning Dawkin's simulation programs, never mind where they came from (it is quite irrelevant); when the main goal is to simulate random mutations that are finally "disregarded" by the program, in order to simulate "natural selection". Which is still part as driver in ToE, at the same level as "artificial selection" amongst the other different drivers in evolution. In my opinion, actually in 2022, there is a total new concept and definition of "evolution" than 46 years ago ( the year of the publication of the "selfish gene" ). And ,even nowaday, much of that scientific vulgarization work still holds the road. (Edited by BelgianStrider) BelgianStrider: Moreover; genetic science is one of those revolutionalising the actual insights and has still many "black holes" ( the typical "we don't know [yet] ). Though what is known, is thouroughly known and still does not, till now, contradict in any way ToE. Not only does it confirm Evolution, it even gives quite better insight.
(Edited by BelgianStrider) BelgianStrider: On the other hand; what we can say, with great confidence, is that creationists or Inteligent Design proponents do not have any model that can withstand the known evidence! BelgianStrider: Blackshoes is recently going to look confirmation biased info in the "muslim world" with this video: Now who is that harun yahya? Googling gives us this: Adnan Oktar: Adnan Oktar (Turkish pronunciation: [ษdหnan ษkหtaษพ]; born 2 February 1956),[5] also known as Adnan Hoca or Harun Yahya,[6][7] is a Turkish religious sex cult leader, creationist/anti-evolutionist, conspiracy theorist, preacher, pamphleteer, and "worldwide celebrity".[8] In the 2000s, he was engaged in "a massive campaign" of proselytizing" Westerners to Islam,[9] producing dozens of cheap, short, vividly illustrated books in the languages of Europe and the Muslim world.[10] As of March 2022, he is awaiting retrial on several sex and financial charges.[11] In the West, before his arrest and trial, he was perhaps best known for his unsolicited sending thousands of copies of his book, The Atlas of Creation,[12] which advocates Islamic creationism, to French schools and universities in January 2007,[9] and several months later to American scientists, members of Congress, science museums and schools.[13] Before his arrest, Oktar ran two organizations in which he also served as honorary president: Bilim Araลtฤฑrma Vakfฤฑ (BAV, literally, "Science Research Foundation", established 1990), which promoted creationism and Milli Deฤerleri Koruma Vakfฤฑ (literally, "National Values Preservation Foundation", established 1995) which worked domestically on a variety of moral issues.[14] In more recent years, Adnan Oktar has preached "the true Islam" based on the Quran on his TV channel, A9 TV.[15] His organization is commonly referred to as a cult,[16] and he has been described by Vice magazine as the "most notorious cult leader in Turkey."[17] Oktar filed more than 5,000 lawsuits against individuals for defamation from 2005 to 2015,[18] which led to the blocking of a number of prominent websites in Turkey. After being arrested in July 2018,[19] and indicted a year later,[20][21] on 11 January 2021, Oktar was sentenced to 1,075 years in prison,[22][23] after being tried for charges including forming a criminal enterprise, financial fraud, and sexual abuse.[20][24] Along with 13 others detaineed in the case, sentences totalled 9,803 years.[22][25] However on 15 March 2022, his verdict was overturned by the Turkish Court of Appeal "due to incomplete prosecution and erroneous assessment."[26]. Ref: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Oktar Yup; as we see again: an undisputable authority in the domain of Evolutionary Biology, Paleonthology, Biology and every scientific fields having any relation with ToE. Moreover; note also the global conspiracy theory annotations in this video !!! We also can be convinced that this guy is an extreme noble, serene, honest and faithfull moraly decent muslim! (Edited by BelgianStrider) | Science Chat Room 1 Person Chatting Similar Conversations |
