Creationism is a mental illness (Page 229) BelgianStrider: Z clearly shows he is totally indoctrinated and even is incapable to understand what a viroid actually is ! Z is without any doubt an anti-science YEC.   (Edited by BelgianStrider) BelgianStrider: Nobody has any evidences of a-biogenesis till now, they are all conjectures ! So Z should not expect from anybody compelling evidences for a-biogenesis ! That moron is even unable to understand that most basic principle ! Even if a-biogenesis might be replicated in a lab. That will, in no means, prove it happened like that on Earth. It will just prove a-biogeneis is possible. BelgianStrider: What Tour, on the countrary, is doing is to "contort" his scientific view in order to give false impressions (those are even not evidences at all) that a-biogenesis is impossible in favor of creation. Idem ditto nobody has any valid scientific basis for creation too. So Z better shut up about that nonsence of valid basis for a-biogenesis, he has none for his creation hypothese (even that totaly false circular logic concerning an old book that is the word of god is complete bullocks) (Edited by BelgianStrider)
 kittybobo34: I would hope they fund another expedition to the deep volcanic vents, with an eye toward investigating the earlier finds. Especially the simple RNA based extremophile bacterias. Odds are they will have to dig into one of the exhaust chimneys. kittybobo34: Tour is not a biochemist ether, organic chemistry is a vastly different world than regular chemisrty. Just the way that Proteins move on their own is really bizarre, with different proteins doing different things. Oh did anyone hear about the new find of single cell spormataphores in the rock in Canada a little over 3 billion years old.  zeffur: re: "BSr: What Tour, on the countrary, is doing is to "contort" his scientific view in order to give false impressions (those are even not evidences at all) that a-biogenesis is impossible in favor of creation." He's focused on real life--not RNA, because RNA is not real life. Real life is much more complex. re: "Idem ditto nobody has any valid scientific basis for creation too." That ^^ is dumb. The evidence for life is what is created by an intelligent agent--God. No one knows exactly how God created life from non life/DNA---we can only rationalize that He used His knowledge & power to do so. It's way beyond our comprehension. re: "So Z better shut up about that nonsence of valid basis for a-biogenesis," You have nothing valid/true to offer--just more evo chump beliefs--which is exactly the same rubbish as everything else evo chumps spew--endless imaginary rubbish without any sound basis whatsoever. You con isn't even circular--it's a just a dead-end irrational & delusional mess. (Edited by zeffur)  ghostgeek: Could it be that aliens are using the God delusion to manipulate humanity for their own purposes? Could be. ghostgeek: Carl Sagan, in Pale Blue Dot, wrote: How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, 'This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant'? Instead they say, 'No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way.' A religion, old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the Universe as revealed by modern science might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths. [ https://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/22/books/chapters/1022-1st-dawk.html ] zeffur: re: "gg: If viruses aren't alive, how do they adapt to changing circumstances?" They don't adapt. There are lots of variations in life. When one bug is eliminated or suppressed by various means, it may take months or years before another variation is able to find an opening into another living organism... As an example, there may be 1000 possible pathogenic variations in a virus, but only 1 of them is dominant enough in a strain to cause humans a problem. Humans create a vaccine & the bug can't affect us for a while. Later on (perhaps months or years later) another one of those possible pathogenic variations gets into a dog's system & potentially other systems that interact with dogs. Eventually it mutates enough until it accidentally enters a human wound cause by a dog bite for example & bam..it infects a human who can then passes it on to other humans until it either attenuates & dies or it keeps spreading like into an epidemic or pandemic... It's still the same virus--it has mutated to another variant that was able to re-infect humans. Neither the virus nor the human are 'evolving' into anything else dues to mutations--that is nothing more than an imaginary myth that evo chumps spread without a shred of evidence to show that it has ever occurred. (Edited by zeffur) zeffur: re: "TiU: Since you clowns like youtube so much, check out this destruction of the little dweeb James Tour by ACTUAL SCIENTISTS." https:// youtu.be/ghJGnMwRHCs That is hilarious! J. Tour is a real scientist & Dave is a joke. It's not even debatable. Evo chumps are endlessly & completely full of shite... Here's the profile of a REAL accomplish scientist: Ph.D. in synthetic organic and organometallic chemistry from Purdue University, postdoctoral training in synthetic organic chemistry at the University of Wisconsin and Stanford University. Bachelor of Science degree in chemistry from Syracuse University 11 years on the faculty of the Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry at the University of South Carolina a synthetic organic chemist joined the Center for Nanoscale Science and Technology at Rice University in 1999 where he is presently the T. T. and W. F. Chao Professor of Chemistry, Professor of Computer Science, and Professor of Materials Science and NanoEngineering. Has about 650 research publications and over 200 patents, with an H-index = 129 and i10 index = 538 with total citations over 77,000 (Google Scholar). Was inducted into the National Academy of Inventors in 2015. Was named among “The 50 Most Influential Scientists in the World Today” by TheBestSchools.org Listed in “The World’s Most Influential Scientific Minds” by Thomson Reuters ScienceWatch.com Recipient of the Trotter Prize in “Information, Complexity and Inference” Named “Scientist of the Year” by R&D Magazine Was awarded the George R. Brown Award for Superior Teaching, 2012, Rice University Won the ACS Nano Lectureship Award from the American Chemical Society Was elected Fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), 2009. Was ranked one of the Top 10 chemists in the world over the past decade, by a Thomson Reuters citations per publication index survey Won the Feynman Prize in Experimental Nanotechnology Won the NASA Space Act Award in 2008 for his development of carbon nanotube reinforced elastomers, Won the Arthur C. Cope Scholar Award from the American Chemical Society for his achievements in organic chemistry Won the Alan Berman Research Publication Award, Department of the Navy Named the Southern Chemist of the Year Award from the American Chemical Society Received the Honda Innovation Award for Nanocars Has the most highly accessed journal article of all American Chemical Society articles in 2005 & listed by LiveScience as the second most influential paper in all of science in 2005. Won several other national awards including the National Science Foundation Presidential Young Investigator Award in Polymer Chemistry and the Office of Naval Research Young Investigator Award in Polymer Chemistry. src: https://profiles.rice.edu/faculty/james-tour ___ Here's his challenger: (and according to TiU an "ACTUAL SCIENTIST" ) Professor Dave Farina, who taught in high school and undergraduate classrooms for 10 years before turning into a YouTuber, received a bachelor’s degree in chemistry from Minnesota’s Carleton College and a master’s in chemistry and science education at California State University. His career included a full-time position teaching chemistry, biology, and physics at a private school in Hollywood, and substitute teaching in the San Francisco Bay Area, before transitioning to lecturing at a trade university. src: https://www.edweek.org/technology/professor-dave-explains-how-he-attracted-345-000-youtube-subscribers/2019/03 His highest education achievement is a Masters in education... sheesh Dude probably couldn't make it as a chemist, so he went back to get a education/teaching degree. Only in the mind of a dishonest & delusional nitwit like TiU could anyone think 'professor' Dave is superior to Dr. Tour. (Edited by zeffur) zeffur: re: "TiU: "zeffur: There is no proof that nature has any intelligence to produce life/DNA--ergo there is no reason for us to belief that it has ever done so." And that's all fine and good, you don't have to. But when you go from "I am not convinced X is true" to "X is false" you are now making your own claim which requires support. No, actually, it doesn't. I am free to think that your unproven, unprovable, & absurd beliefs are not true as they have never been proven as true. The burden of proof remains on the morons who falsely claim that their absurd evo chump beliefs are a scientific fact, when it all reality they are not & they can never be proven as true. Your failure to prove your 'scientific fact' is grounds for me to call bullshite on it... re: "Once again you offer no support for your claim." I don't need to. I have not falsely asserted that my beliefs are 'scientific fact' as you lying evo chumps pretend that your beliefs are... BelgianStrider: Bwa I don't have a PhD, though I have just enough knowledge to explain why I don't trust Tour and I am even able to give you clear references that confirms my argumentations. Prof Dave just do the same. To be honest the backing of Tour is quites sparcious and just works on "feelings" about the complexity of DNA and eukaryotic cells (again he just gives us the impression that the eukaryotic cell structure is the only one). In that domain Tour is like anyone of us just a lay and all his publishing will not change that fact. Concerning Z: Z's claim; the Relativity Theory is in error. But no backing up for that. Just Tour's like blabla without any clear irrefutable evidences. Moreover Z thinks he has no obligation to give any decent confirmation of his claims (Edited by BelgianStrider) zeffur: Professor Dave has a superficial knowledge (only enough to teach) --not the deep knowledge & skills of a scientist. He also has NO real-world experience trying to create anything from zero to reality. He seems oblivious to the chemical challenges that a scientist (biologist+bio-engineer+chemist) would be faced with when trying to originate life. The numbers of complimentary systems just for a cell is highly complex & little Dave would have NO clue where to begin or how to make anything but a chemical mess--and mind you, he's got a BS in chemistry & no degree in biology or engineering (which isn't a surprise--give that he's got no clue how to make/build anything). (Edited by zeffur) BelgianStrider: Z has NO knowledge at all in everything he just mentionned, so he better shutup his arrogant big mouth. zeffur: Even BSr can read the blurb about YT Dave...It isn't impressive when compared with Dr. Tour's achievements & accomplishments. So keep worshiping your atheist under-achiever...it's not surprising at all. Your combined intelligence isn't even half of Dr. Tour's intelligence. (Edited by zeffur) BelgianStrider: Tour has been demonstrated to be dishonest. All his achievements and accomplishments are not changing the fact he is dishonestly hiding data, for a very "obscure" reason: just a bronze aged book. (Edited by BelgianStrider) BelgianStrider: Simple: - by hiding in (probably) all his "conferences" the prokaryotic cells, hiding RNA-life. - by "pretending" there is only that "extreme complicate" eukaryotic cell and DNA is a requesite for "life" (and that last is totally false ! ). - by refuting (and hiding) there have been, are (yes, even actually) en will be living oganisms with a simpler "structure". - Dave gave even more reasons that he is dishonest. (Edited by BelgianStrider) zeffur: re: "BSr: by hiding in (probably) all his "conferences" the prokaryotic cells, hiding RNA-life. "RNA life/world" beliefs are not facts--they are just more imaginary atheist nothing. Re: "by "pretending" there is only that "extreme complicate" eukaryotic cell and DNA is a requesite for "life" (and that last is totally false ! ). Eukaryotes & prokaryotes aren't secret. He isn't hiding or pretending that prokaryotes don't exist. He only focuses on eukaryotes because animals fall into that classification. He doesn't focus on prokaryotes because there is no verified facts that they have ANYTHING to do with the origination of DNA. In fact, some prokaryotes like bacteria actually have DNA in a nucleoid region (which is not a nucleus as in the eukaryotic cells). Your whole hypothetical RNA Life/World belief isn't proven to be true at all. The idea that there are precursors to DNA is also not proven to be true. Imagining that possibility doesn't mean it is true. Dr. Tour isn't going to waste time one hypothetical that don't lead to a real DNA explanation--which is why he directs/focuses evo chumps towards focusing on valid explanations related to eukaryotes. Your evo chumps want to focus on RNA, TNA, PNA, etc because they have NO clue how nature could possibly make DNA & RNA or other nucleic acids seem simplier--yet there is no evidence of genuine life from such research. Life is a lot more complicated than incomplete replication of RNA as I have already stated in more detail in other posts. DNA & RNA are requisite for life. RNA is not life it is a bio macro molecule. re: "by refuting (and hiding) there have been, are (yes, even actually) en will be living oganisms with a simpler "structure"." Once again, he can't hide scientific FACTS--but he doesn't have to dwell on unproven hypotheticals either. Your viroids are not life. If you are referring to something else then specifically identify what you are referring to. re: "Dave gave even more reasons that he is dishonest." So far, nothing you've listed is dishonest in any way at all. OOL science isn't hidden by anyone--it's in the public domain. Obviously you just don't have any legitimate claims other than you don't like that Dr. Tour clearly wants to focus on Eukaryotes instead of prokaryotes & hypotheticals about RNA that haven't proven anything true about real life. (Edited by zeffur) BelgianStrider: Well if Z pretends there is NO RNA-life actually, can MISTER KNOW ALL Z tell us what are VIROIDS ? MISTER KNOW ALL Z shows again he is a clear academical case of the DK effect. BelgianStrider: I nearly forgot, by Toutatis, Belenos and Bellisama I wish you all a happy celtic Samhain | Science Chat Room 1 Person Chatting Similar Conversations |