Creationism is a mental illness (Page 228) BelgianStrider: J Tour is as incredible as k hovind. Z is just an anti-science YEC, a moron that thinks he undestands science, Thouch is incapable to discern the scientific definition of "theory" and totally lacks the basic understanding of kinetics. (let's even not think his abililities concerning about QM and RT) Z just uses the standard negations used by every stupid anti-science YEC.  zeffur: J. Tour & 100 times the person than you ever were or than you will ever be... I understand real & pseudoscience far better than you. You're just a lemming who believes everything that you hear from 'science'--even when you should not. Your foolish misrepresentations of me are just more of your pathetic corruptions--and most of all you have no truth to provide to anyone as you are steeped in ignorance, confusion, irrationality, & delusions. So, yeah--you've got nothing worth considering & you never have & never will. Happy delusions, dummy! BelgianStrider: J Tour is a fraud like k hovind. He knows very well that there is also the simpler "Prokaryotic cell" that includes bacteria and archaea, two of the three domains of life. Though whenever expaining the complexity of a cell he sticks only and exclusivily to the most complex one; the Eukaryotic cell of plants, animals, fungi, slime moulds, protozoa, and algae. He also just speak about the complexity of DNA and all the complex and difficult mechanismes needed to produce a single protein in that cell. I know the existence of "RNA life": so, as nano carbonchemist, he surely has to know that too. If not, he either lies or he never studied thouroghly "life" like he claims to do (oops; also a lie then) Two examples of simpler "structures" he silences and avoids to mention at all cost. He knows very well that he is lying and that the "Eukaryotic cell" is not the first living cell here on Earth. Though he ommits that fact voluntarily. Concening the complexity and difficulty of making anorganicmolecule, he comes up with complex chemical formules and conditions, making it seemingly very difficult. Though he is withholding one important factor, the actual esiness to produce those molecules. I can tell you how laboursome and in what conditions bread has been - is made. But all what I do factually is putting the right amount of ingredients ina "bowl", shut the lid, put a swith on and wait some 1.30 hr for having a nice feshleaf of bread. Idem ditto for his complex oganic cell, he just has to do the same and put a swith on. He knows it, he use it evey day. And he silences it. Telling half truths is telling half lies. He is a fraud, he is dishonest in his behaviours and explanations. If Z belongs to the lemmings that believe him blindly , that is their right. I, on the othe hand, don't trust him at all. And there are enough "real" scientific reasons for not trusting him. Z claims to be able to make the differences of "real" and "pseudo-science". By showing J Tour and telling he is better than any one else, makes it again clear that Z is an anti-science YEC, not knwoing what he is talking about. (Edited by BelgianStrider) BelgianStrider: Happy delussions for anti-science YEC Z. Z knows very well he can not put any decent counterargumenbts to those facts that Tour is dishonest and just telling "half truths". zeffur: Tour isn't dishonest about anything--and neither was his guest. You just aren't capable of understanding & admitting the fundamental problems that they identified with the origin of life problem. BelgianStrider: If Tour study that problem better (as he claims), he will know that there are several valable conjectures. He knows that life did start with very simple structures. He also would take the honesty to explain RNA life and procaryotic cell structures besides DNA and eucaryotic cell structures (pretending that it is the only type of cell here on Earth btw). He just hides the simpler existing "structures" to obtain the false impression that he is telling "the scientific evidences against a-biogenesis". He is biased by his belief in the bible as ex-jew and actual christian. (Edited by BelgianStrider)  ghostgeek: The origin of life problem disappears when you admit that aliens are the cause of everything. ghostgeek: The aiens have been around forever. Nothing new in the idea; theists have been saying something similar for ages. ghostgeek: There were but unfortunately they were all incinerated long ago. There is hope, though. The speed of light is irrefutable proof we live in a simulation. Check out the link below for the full monty: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/confirmed-we-live-in-a-simulation/ zeffur: re: "BSr: If Tour study that problem better (as he claims), he will know that there are several valable conjectures." Your hypotheses & 'conjectures' haven't proven anything... A conjecture is an 'opinion/conclusion' that is based on incomplete info--not a fact. re: "He knows that life did start with very simple structures." Says who? You??  Animals & plants require both DNA & RNA to produce proteins & to replicate cells. Viruses have genes, but no cellular structure & they require other living cells to replicate--they don't have the molecular-machines to function like living cells. Bacteria have a unicellular structure that contains DNA within a nucleoid (rather than a nucleus as in the case of Eukaryotic Cells) re: "He also would take the honesty to explain RNA life..." There is no RNA life. That is a myth. RNA is one of the 3 major biological macro-molecules it cannot generate a new cell or complex proteins without DNA & the other molecular machines that are within a living cell. re: "... and procaryotic cell structures besides DNA and eucaryotic cell structures (pretending that it is the only type of cell here on Earth btw). He has not pretended anything. You just have a delusion that RNA or some proto-structure mysteriously created DNA, RNA, & the other micro-machines within a cell--when in reality--NO such entity exists as far as we know..--it's just more evo chump imaginary beliefs plaguing their irrational & delusional minds. re: "He just hides the simpler existing "structures" to obtain the false impression that he is telling "the scientific evidences against a-biogenesis". He isn't hiding anything. Abiogenesis is impossible as nature has NO intelligence or capability to produce life/DNA & the hosts that depend on it. re: "He is biased by his belief in the bible as ex-jew and actual christian" Actually, he is a REAL scientist who isn't locked into the dogmatic belief that ONLY naturalism & materialism can be allowed when it comes to the explanation for life on earth. He also doesn't harbor irrational delusions that nature has any intelligence to make the complex code that is chemically encoded within DNA... He also realizes that for life to exist & function there must exist a lot of simultaneous components that cannot be explained by random chemical bonding in nature without an intelligent design. Your problem is that you are too damn dumb & blinded by your irrational delusions to realize & admit the very real problems that exist when it comes to trying to understand how it could be possible for nature to randomly & spontaneously create organized life via a disorganize & chaotic random process without any intelligence involved--which any sane person knows is impossible--as mathematicians & statisticians have already calculated the insane probabilities against it being possible. (Edited by zeffur) ghostgeek: Can we say that Zeffur's problem is that he's simply too damn dumb & blinded by his irrational delusions to realize & admit the very real problems that exist with the Bible? Sadly, I'm beginning to think so. BelgianStrider: No RNA life ? Really ? Z better stop to claim that nonsense as he even does not know of it's existence by viroids. (what is not surprising, as he is a anti-science YEC) For Z's info: Viroids Main article: Viroid Additional evidence supporting the concept of an RNA world has resulted from research on viroids, the first representatives of a novel domain of "subviral pathogens".[69][70] Viroids infect plants, where most are pathogens, and consist of short stretches of highly complementary, circular, single-stranded and non-coding RNA without a protein coat. They are extremely small, ranging from 246 to 467 nucleobases, compared to the smallest known viruses capable of causing an infection, with genomes about 2,000 nucleobases in length.[71] Based on their characteristic properties, in 1989 plant biologist Theodor Diener argued that viroids are more plausible living relics of the RNA world than introns and other RNAs considered candidates at the time.[72] Diener's hypothesis would be expanded by the research group of Ricardo Flores,[73][74] and gained a broader audience when in 2014, a New York Times science writer published a popularized version of the proposal.[75] The characteristics of viroids highlighted as consistent with an RNA world were their small size, high guanine and cytosine content, circular structure, structural periodicity, the lack of protein-coding ability and, in some cases, ribozyme-mediated replication.[74] One aspect critics of the hypothesis have focused on is that the exclusive hosts of all known viroids, angiosperms, did not evolve until billions of years after the RNA world was replaced, making viroids more likely to have arisen through later evolutionary mechanisms unrelated to the RNA world than to have survived via a cryptic host over that extended period.[76] Whether they are relics of that world or of more recent origin, their function as autonomous naked RNA is seen as analogous to that envisioned for an RNA world. Ref: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_world Tour HAS to know the existence of viroids; that IS in his domain. Tour HIDES it. Simple isn't it ? Z continually claims all kind of nonsense as he has no clue at all what he pretends to know. That is to be expected, Z is just a total indoctrinated anti-science YEC. Concerning Tour; he is not much better than k hovind, due to the fact when science contradicts that old shepherds book, he start to "corrupt" science. He is clearly biased by that book. (Edited by BelgianStrider) BelgianStrider: BTW those RNA living systems do confirm every conjecture based on the hypothese that the living stuctures were more simpler than even the procaryotic cell structure. It also contradicts Tour's (silently induced) hypothese that life started "bang like that" with the complex eukaryotic cell stucture ( and that he KNOWS; what makes Tour dishonest ). (Edited by BelgianStrider) BelgianStrider: For the statistical data made up to confirm the hypothese of "impossibility of life". They are all wrong; just because the possibility of live is at least "one". It is life here on Earth. Anti-scientists also ignore that life is not random, mutations might be "random", but the proces of "natural selection" ( what means "those that can procreate better, will survive" ) is not random at all. (Edited by BelgianStrider) zeffur: re: "BSr: "Tour HAS to know the existence of viroids; that IS in his domain. Tour HIDES it. Simple isn't it?" 'Simple' isn't the right word--'wrong' is the right word. Your article discuses hypotheses--not proof of pre-life structures that led to current life. You still have NOTHING valid to offer. re: "Concerning Tour; he is not much better than k hovind..." You should actually research his scientific credentials--you'll find once more than you are wrong--as usual. The fact is there is NO RNA life or world--it's just speculations. NONE of that research has panned out, because they realized that their hypotheses were all wrong & now they are looking for pre-RNA molecular structures because they want to continue to fleece taxpayers & keep a bunch of atheistic 'scientific' hacks employed on problems that have already been answered. The answer is that abiogenesis is absurd & impossible because nature has no intelligence to originate life/DNA & you don't even have to be a scientist to realize that reality. What should be done is all of those hacks should be fired & the taxpayer money should be used to pay down the US debt. Let the European atheistic nitwits spend their money on their stupid & irrational myth / fairy tale wild goose chase--it will end in the same way because evolution is 100% pure imaginary rubbish & it always has been & it always will be so... (Edited by zeffur) | Science Chat Room Similar Conversations |
