Creationism is a mental illness (Page 15)
hornchurchmale: been to grand canyon .and yes that 'little' river did do all the 'damage'? erosion works over. thousands of years etc can wear away mountains easily enough. look at sea defences for example concrete and granite blocks put there to slow erosion. even granite etc WILL wear away in time.
How exactly did that all occur? Water and wind broke up something smooth to make those crags and how much water made those flat valleys?
You might as well say that it was all done within seven days as Science has no answers that fit the picture and quite a few ideas that it does n't want altered.
But most of all both tribes don't want anything else to have the slightest chance of ever having come to pass.
chronology: Well you must have some reason to think that the Colorado River is the most destructive river ever known to man. In the 'Court of your mind' you have found it guilty of carving out sheer, often strait cliffs thousands of feet high. And what evidence is there of that? none. If the rocks of the cliffs were of such texture for slow 'dribble' erosion there would be rubble piled up at the foot of the cliffs. There is none.
Next you claim the Colorado River did an amazing vanishing act. There has been tens of billions of tons of rock removed from the Grand Canyon to create the awesome spectacle. Any suggestions where the sediment is? If your idea is correct, it should be in Gulf of California outflow of the Colorado, only a tiny fraction is there.
And then there is the route taken by the Colorado through the Canyon. Even evolutionists like you have no explanation why the river does a 90 degree turn at one point and flows strait through solid rock cliffs.
Sorry, but the Grand Canyon is a memorial of a catastrophic global event 12000 years ago. In just one year, the entire area was devastated by a Global Flood.
kittybobo34: If it was done all at once, where is the rock. Not there... because it happened over millions of years and the river is still carrying it away. The other thing you are not taking into account is that the rock is mostly sandstone (easily carved)
kittybobo34: Duncan,, the yellowstone is a super volcano that tends to go off every 650,000 years or so. As the continent drifts west, and the mountains are pushed upward, The volcano stays in the same spot doing a major relandscaping job.
We know the Volcano is near there but it does n't stay in the same spot and indeed it looks more like the mountains were put there as a cap in the volcanic region.
Wiki repeats debunked geology;-
Strangely Wiki creators also tried to cap their creation and leave it as a collection from their past rather like the old photos of the national park.
Millions of American visited Yellowstone mountains and there is a lot of science about the geology but more powerful is the silence that surrounds all their voices.
From the Whitehouse to the smallest Web Page none wanted to talk about The Supervolcano.
kittybobo34: Duncan,, to my knowledge, the volcanic hot spot is still in the same spot, much like Hawaii's hot spot, The continent is drifting west north west. You will note, if you look that there are a few ranges of mountains that are missing near there. So the volcano has not been there for too many million years. When it does go off, the devastation is awsome.
chronology: Well, Yellowstone seems very unlikely to 'go off' . One Guy pointed out how many exclusive Gated Communities and Country Clubs there are near the Volcano. 'Near' being within building code regulations as the Volcano is in a National Park. The Elite are not known for taking chances like living anywhere they can be drowned in water or molten Rock.
Scientists telling you food additives are safe to eat because they are paid by a Food company to tell you they are safe is a good example of proven facts being lies because they don't match the myths you believe.
Nuclear power also attracts liars.
hornchurchmale: good point Duncan . thought if we assume everybody is telling lies ...we have nothing to believe at all. politicians we know lie. we can argue every day at nick pick each little subject or comment but bottom line is ..religion is faith based .. and having faith is what keeps many people going at times. I have no objection anybodies religious 'faith' just a long as it does not endorse harming others!
we can look at history . wars religions has bene involved in and still is today. science taught properly and applied with logic is way to understand life universe and ?
good luck if you have faith . just. don't try and justify it by shoving it down other peoples throats. bear in mind that. any child subject to pressure and being taught things when you WILL take that onboard as ( forgive the word) Gospel.
so even attempting to undo brainwashing by religious groups is certain to get major resistance and even violence such is the power of being taught when a child!
kittybobo34: Horn,, so true, the power of propaganda. Concerning religion, my ahh haaa moment was when I asked people in the church to explain some basic things about the religion and they didnt know, I realized they didn't know why they believed what they did.
fustler: One could posit that science has been perverted as if by the mentally ill. Biological warfare, nukes, and special tortures...
The same can be said of religion and science alike! Neither is intrinsically wrong. Change my mind...
Government is wrong. Any attempt to blame Religion or Science will eventually point a finger at those who control others.
Fog Swept Glade: Created (they‘re creating) the heavens(they‘d have to be plural since Germany, & Kennedy flew man up there. Way to go.) and the Earth (occupied possibly via sulfur King rewarded for ambition). Well, jehovah must be busy in new times with our amazing wanderlust thumbs and putting up mines and wells everywhere. Maybe it was the earths and it‘s lost in translation. The topic writer is correct and in the wrong forum the same.
So the Topic would be " Creationists should come off the wall and admit not all science fazes you! "
" Creationist should come off the wall and admit not everything is for the best in the best possible world?".
Fog Swept Glade: Thereabouts. Got tired of losing as men of the Earth. Makes sense. At any rate, the importance of water and the sun hasn‘t been forgotten by anybody.
whiteopenarc: Well, I'd say science has been perverted by those who turned it into the religion they thought they were above. It's just Brainwashing - no matter which side it bongs out of. Everyone believes they have a handle on it - and whether reading, Hawking, Dawkin's, Maritane or even Adams, and as amazing as these guys are, they are loaded with brilliant problems of contradiction, and I can't believe they didn't see it (maybe irgnored it) - stuff they think they got past and their whole argument is "PROVE ME WRONG???" What laziness, even silliness. You bring something up, give me more than that. I don't care who you are. Of course, if you're not into the debate at all (a respectable position), you can say, don't waste our time.
Liebnitz (among others) : "God has created the world in the most perfect way,"
Hawking, who says the exact same thing and leaves God out (he didn't in his earlier work when he was still working on the problem, but is amazed that the universe if only 1% off would disentegrate - pretty amazing stuff whichever way it goes.
Fog Swept Glade: The truth is that we have mastered acting with such ease that ‘liar‘ is reserved for the idiots that couldn‘t defraud people without transparency. The other animals aren‘t as intricate, sure. Their loss.
kittybobo34: I just don't see what solace there is in religion. Science explains things. where as religion is no better than Santa Clause did it, or the Easter Bunny is holy. Thousands of religions in the world, and we inherited is a tribal religion from the crazy people of Palestine.
Fog Swept Glade: What infuriates me is the lack of topics that match the forum because of irrelevant posting.