Creationism is a mental illness (Page 14)
kittybobo34: well not as rigid as a rock, you can teach an old dog new tricks if the old dog is really trying.
We started out poor and became ill and diseased. So much so that we suffered genetic degradation and can not return to health.
This is obviously the theme of the start of the years 2000.
And Creationism was a part of the problems which lead to the downfall of Humanity.
kittybobo34: Duncan,,,,As a species we did start out poor. Greater intelligence was a response to that. That intelligence has also kept us from evolving stronger bodies, because we protect our weak. By the way, this was going on way way before anyone thought of the Christian superstition.
38,000 years living in mud huts and 2,000 years being a slave to property, world wars, and genocide is not very intelligent.
We do not protect the weak the weak and the small is all that is left.
darkshdw3: This thread is a displaying of a wandering waste of time. Anyway the thinking mind of man is obviously a none correlating presence that is separate, and alien like of all earthly things except that we breath, breed, and eat, but nothing else is like our thinking mind. Nothing at all. If you think we are a masterpiece that came from a blank canvas you are a simple idiot. Go ahead throw things around, and tell me when it becomes a master piece, and don't bother with a conspiracy piece of art that is shit, but worth millions.
"The argument was, if we had lived for thousands of years why were we so unfitting in the environment? Surely like the other animals we should have reached some sort of balance and not felt so much hunger or cold?
So clearly the idea that we were in a garden and we were ejected from there leaving us too big and hungry for the dessert that now surrounded us was expected to be popular.
I am sure that our minds even when numbed by cold, fear and starvation would have thought of ways to improve our lot during 40, 000 years." Duncan124
"everyone at any point will be the poor and hungry unable to mange without help"
Most people died long before they were 30 years old. Perhaps that is why we did not progress very much?
When you think about it you have to admit that it does look like some big bad thing has plagued us for thousands of years. Destroying every step forward maybe a thousand times before a poorer and already outdated version spreads to late to help so many.
kittybobo34: Duncan,, We have thought of ways to improve our lot. Not sure where you were going with that reasoning.
As far as the slow progress forward, we had to fight superstition, false religions, but first we had to create a language, a system of writting so the knowledge of the past could be passed on. Then a system of proofs so that falsehoods could be thrown away. (we call that scientific method now) Once those hurdles were crossed, humanity has made real progress. Our total knowledge has doubled every 20 years or so. Still though there are those that can't or won't look at religion with an analytical mind and toss out the falsehoods. Religious organizations have made a business of keeping those falsehoods and luring more numbers to their side for profit. You mentioned the bad thing that was plaguing us.... religion...
I said " it does look like some big bad thing has plagued us for thousands of years. " That could be a real thing. I certainly did not mean a belief in a something but the real thing.
Is Creationism a mental illness? When they say "Oh, God created everything in one day." what do they actually mean??
And if it is then what type of mental illness is it?? Mental illnesses have been studied and named. Which one is it??
chronology: 'Day' ? well according to some creationists, they insist 'day' means 24 hours. Some say '12 hours' but most stay with 24.
There are a number of problems with this viewpoint. First God gathered together all the surface water into one place. God then set apart dry land. The problem with this is that God does do magic tricks. He works out His plans almost without exception using natural Law. Adam was created on the sixth 'day' , if you believe that was a 24 hour day, then how do they explain the fact the land was livable on ? Ask folks in Flood Zones in the U.S. how long it takes for ground to become accessible again after a flood. Sometimes a month at least, other times longer, but no way can people live with FEMA Aid. Fresh water and food need flying in.
So if some one insists on 24 hours for the 'day' they have some explaining to do, not just 'God did it' . People speculate on how long the 'day' in Genesis was. I have heard everything from 10.000 years to 240.000 years. On one day trees are described as growing and sprouting fruit, that would be a minimum of 30 years in most cases. So around two hundred years from the start of creation to Adam would be a starting point.
Given the estimate that Adam being thrown out of Eden is estimated at around 50.000 years ago it seems unlikely a shorter time was used to create the world and mankind etc.
kittybobo34: To make a day fit the Geology science it would have to be 650 million years long. But I thought the bible was edited by God, so no falsehoods were in there. If not allot of people are believing in a fairy tale.
chronology: Well there is a problem with geological science timescales. Let us consider the 'age' given for the same lump of coal. One scientist says 20.000.000. years old, another says 650.000.000. years old, still another 50.000.000. years old. Clearly there is differing opinions. Then there is the actual coal itself. Wood does not usually just fall to the ground and then become coal over millions of years. Wood is usually food for scavenging insects when it dies. So why did the immense tropic forests of Pennsylvania simply fall to the ground without rotting or being eaten as food for insects or bacteria. Some say there were no insects or bacteria in what we call Pennsylvania back then to eat the fallen wood. But this is clearly nonsense as the immense jungle would have smothered itself in less than a century.
The believers just say their God put it there.
And when it is all used up there will be no more.
Coal is thought to be made from the leaves of the prehistoric giant fern trees which may have looked like tropical trees but were more widespread.
The wood went to make rocks and soil.
But scientists thought it was very nearly all the leaves that made the worlds coal deposits.
Research into what was coal started in the 1800s and by I think 1840 the idea that it was from giant fern trees was popular.
It is a good guess to say the forests were mostly silent as there were no insects or even bacteria. And that state of the world lasted for millions of years people now say.
The history of the science of coal is fairly interesting.
But it is over as the ground has rotted away beneath our feet and we are left with less food, clean water, or air. And nothing and nobody could stop it.
If the Christians believed that everything happened a few thousand years ago shouldn't they have reacted very strongly when it was realized that what was made by their God was going to all be destroyed?
chronology: Well, coal is a debatable history. But there seems little doubt that on the ground in what is now Pennsylvania there was indeed a gigantic tropical forest of some kind. People still debate what was the vegetation and wild life of that forest.
'Christians' have very different views of just how far back history goes. Some do believe the earth is only a few thousand years old. Folks like myself have a view that the Great Flood mentioned in Genesis was 12.000 years ago, this is supported by masses of evidence, but am sure we will hear the contrary from some people here. The Garden of Eden was most likely 50.000 years ago. But the time chronology before that is pure speculation. The ancient ruins being found are all within the 'Eden to the present day time scale. Some people insist there is evidence of pre Eden civilisations, a foot print here, the print of a shoe in Limestone there, a pot claimed to have been found in coal there. Sorry, but these anomalies prove nothing, but present curious puzzles about the past.
kittybobo34: How about whole villages 300 feet down in the Black sea, preserved all these years because of the depth and lack of oxygen.
There was a question earlier about the coal deposits. Before bacteria evolved the ability to eat lignin ( the newly evolved fiber that makes trees stiff) the trees were indeed smothered in their own debri. The vast deposits became buried and cooked under their own pressure.
If you have ever raised fish, salt or freshwater, you would know how sensitive they are to salinity and acidity changes. A world wide flood would have decimated the ocean life , and yet reefs , ice cores, and tree rings from that period show no signs of a world wide flood.
plackey57: sorry ppl i dont believe its a mental illness, unless u have proof of a doctors document on paper then i will believe it but until then, to me it means ur just a creative person with a lot of talent..
I tend to agree with Plackey. But that does n't make Creationists good people.
The US courts decided that it was unlawfully provocative in some situations. Which is an interesting view of Christians.
chronology: Well there is so much evidence for the Great Flood 12000 years ago that I could fill this thread. But let's a few items.
The Grand Canyon. One man who actually does not believe in Genesis has no doubt at all the geography of Americas awesome National Park was ripped and gauged out of the landFlood. The very idea the tiny Colorado River carved out the devastation in the mile deep Canyons is simply unbelievable.
From the same time period we now travel to what is now called 'Dogga Bank' in the North Sea. It has long been known people lived there, but extensive research a few years back told the same story as the Grand Canyon, a devastating wave of water destroyed all life on the plain between England and the Netherlands.
Now we travel to Russia, to the far north of Siberia. Here explorers found tens of thousands of Wooley Mammoths. They were lieing down in vast stretch of dead bodies. One explorer commented the Mammoths unmistakably had been struck, and then frozen, by a huge wave of water. Again from the same time period as Holland and America.
Climbers who excavated for a time at the summits of some of the Andes Mountains were puzzled by some structures people had built there. The structures made no sense at all. But later the mountaineers realised what they were looking at. 'Docks' for boats had been buit near the mountain tops. No where near water, and tens of thousands of feet in altitude. Again, from a time just after the Flood.
In Washington State, huge boulders can still be seen deposited by Glacia that were pushed by flood waters fron their resting place hundreds of miles to the north. Again in the same time frame as the Grand Canyon devastation and the other places around the world.
kittybobo34: Ice damns breaking and creating waves of water , is not a world wide flood. would love to see the source of those so called docks in the Andes.
The Grand Canyon does not look like a flash flood or a global flood would have created. All the water marks and rock wear shoes eons of wear in a downward direction, and lasers bounced off of satelites have proven the ground is moving upwards as fast as the river is cutting downwards.
chronology: It would be interesting to hear you describe one time how, if you ever visited the Grand Canyon you could stand on one of the mile high cliffs above the vast panorama of destruction and then still say the Colorado River did all that damage.
One man has photographs of himself with the Colorado a mile down in the background trickling through the vast wilderness of devastation. 'No one is ever going to convince me that little river did all this damage' he insists.
kittybobo34: Millions of years with that raging water carrying rock scouring stones. From what I hear the land which used be at or below sea level has been rising very steadily.
Well anyway, is it a mental illness???
Aren't they just people saying, " Well I believe that's how it was, and I will get on with my life accordingly..!
"the ground is moving upwards as fast as the river is cutting downwards." if you had said that in the early 1980s you would have been called a mental case but is true.
" Perhaps God had a giant bucket of water and only poured it in that one spot. " Well, perhaps he did, and the word world is not an exact translation or it is has a more poetic meaning. Perhaps something like now you are out of the garden your world can be devastated and you are finished.
Looking at the timeline and thinking, Well, the Creationists say it all happened in seven days and the rest is veils for our science, could n't something else have happened? Other Civilisations come and gone??