Creationism is a mental illness (Page 13)

Evelyn99
Evelyn99: Well I have to say I agree with that
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: You too, well welcome aboard the good ship common sense.
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plackey57
plackey57: i disagree with that, i like to create new ideas, does that mean i have a mental illness, ohhhhhhhhhhhh hell nooooooo it doesnt..it is a good thing..and i disagree on the cant spell thing also, it is when u try to type fast on ur computer that u mess up on trying to spell words, my class had a spelling b in elementary school and i was the last one standing, and i won a prize...i think i still am a pretty good speller, i just have to think out the word and see it and then spell it...thanks for letting me reply..
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hornchurchmale
hornchurchmale: theres common sense ? wow
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chronology
chronology: Guys really. First, the problem with understanding the past, and the origins of man, and woman, is that 12.000 years ago the surface of the earth was ripped and gouged by a global Flood. This more or less made any real investigation into the past extremely difficult or even impossible. To understand the history of the U.S.A. you would usually start by checking the U.S. coastlines, the problem is, after the Flood Americas Coast line was shifted 200 miles along the east coast, if you want to search for ancient ports in America now, you need to go 200 miles out of New York to sea, and then start looking for settlements that existed 12000 years ago in 1000 meters of deep cold water. Good luck with that. America had some kind of civilisation back then, as said, good luck with finding it.
The location for the Garden of Eden has been covered with sea water like Americas old coastline. It now lies off the coast of Iraq. If you want to find any archaeological items from the early human activity around Eden then divers are first going to have find the location of human settlements, then start searching for items. No one has ever done this. If you want to call Eden a fairy tale fine, but you are just saying it is, there is no proof it was such.

Most people just accept opinions of others. Look at Egypt, civilisation in Egypt never 'evolved' in began in a flash, and was more advanced when it began than when it fell as a nation. Any suggestions for where Egyptian civilisation came from?
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Controversial claims need strong evidence to back them up. Now is the time to share, Chronology.
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: Chrono, All the civiizations of the world started at nearly the same time, because of that End of the Ice Age flood. It scattered what were early budding civilizations to the far corners of the world. One of the last floods was in the Black Sea, when the rising Mediteranian finally broke through the channel at Constantinople. Many archeologists think this is where the legend of Noahs ark came from. Would have been something to see.
PS, signs of communities can be found 300' down in the Black sea.
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Petergent
Petergent: The fertile crescent region frequently flooded (which is why it was so fertile). Herdsmen sometimes built floating platforms to protect livestock until the water receded.
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chronology
chronology: Sorry, you people know nothing about the subject and I have no patience to bother with any of you. No offence at all.
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: Peter: they were talking about the end of the ice age flood, Roughly 3-5 hundred feet, a floating platform wouldnt help much.
Or as Chrono said 1000 meters, that seemed a bit huge to me, but it all depends on how much water was locked into the ice.
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Petergent
Petergent: I see. I'm not familiar with that particular geological moment. I was just tying in a practice that may have contributed to the 'Noah and the Arc' flood story which, by the way, does not originate in the old Testament. There are several ancient sources of folklore, the most likely culprit which so influenced Jewish and Christian belief probably comes from Mesopotamia. . The garden of Eden or 'Paradise Lost' legend is also borrowed folklore.


Get over yourself, chronology. Who made you the source of all knowledge?
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Petergent
Petergent: Kitty, you touch on something I've often pondered. Let' say homo sapience has existed as a species for 200,000 years. For the first 290-295,000 years we went our merry way as nomadic hunter/gatherers. What happened 5-10,000 years ago to create such a dramatic and rapid change in behavior, resulting in agriculture, animal husbandry and technology?
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: Peter, The first signs of cromagnon (us) was somewhere in Eastern Africa 150,000, although it wasnt till they had gotten to Southern africa about 110000 years ago, At this point there were already indications that we were thinking creatively because of the intricate fish nets, hooks found. Around the world there was Neanderthal (ice age/mountian version) and Homo Erectus (inland version). Cro-magnon spread along the beaches around the world, and into the middle east where they came into contact with Neanderthal. Not sure of the exact dates of the finds, but guessing around 50,000 years ago. At this point the world was locked into an deep freeze ice age. They spread along coast lines into Asia and Australia, and quite likely a small group up into western Europe coast lines around the Americas. Basing this on the fact that Atlatl's were found in southeastern USA, something originally invented in Western Europe. At the end of the Ice age about 12000 years ago. There was a major die off
We are assuming that the climate change affected everything, Ocean levels way up. Our DNA indicates a bottle neck at this point where our population was very low. There are also indications that North America was hit by a small asteroid. The crater is underwater in Lake Ontario. This seems to have ended the European presence in the Americas and likely caused the extinction of Mammoths, camels, horses, mastadons, ground sloths, and monkeys.
So to answer your question, you are comparing Homo erectus to cro-magnon in how they behaved. I am sure there was some cross breeding going on too, but the change in thinking that came with Cro-magnon had a definite advantage.
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: Petergent; There have been a couple of discoveries recently that combined could answer one of your questions about the change in thinking.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Is Peter still with us?
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: Haven't heard from him since yesterday. He has a first class mind, I enjoy talking to him.
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duncan124
duncan124:
The argument was, if we had lived for thousands of years why were we so unfitting in the environment? Surely like the other animals we should have reached some sort of balance and not felt so much hunger or cold?

So clearly the idea that we were in a garden and we were ejected from there leaving us too big and hungry for the dessert that now surrounded us was expected to be popular.
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: Our minds have kept our physical bodies from evolving to fit the environment. When we get cold we put on a coat, instead of freezing to death and not passing those genes on. Our original environment was the coast of South africa. We have come along way since then.
I would say the last hominids that adapted to the environment were the Neanderthal.
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duncan124
duncan124:
I am sure that our minds even when numbed by cold, fear and starvation would have thought of ways to improve our lot during 40, 000 years.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Adapt and perish. Adopt and rule the world.
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duncan124
duncan124:
Well actually, Business people have got the whole lot down to a T and provided the numbers to show the rate we were advancing.

And after looking through the facts people sued Germany. After a while looking through what and who did what the Germans passed a lot of the debt back to George Bush serious.
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: Duncan; So back to your comment about how we are unfitted for the environment. We are adapted to East Africa physically, but that adaptation has been stopped on the physical side and its been all mental since then.
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duncan124
duncan124:
Yyyoour a CAMEL!!.... Which part of East Africa did you have in mind?
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: How many parts to East Africa are there?
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kittybobo34
kittybobo34: In another field of biotech, they have found a small series of genes that control other genes in the area of mental wiring of the brain of the fetus. Seems the normal set pattern of wiring specific connections,,, got changed to connect everything to everything. Then what isnt used starts to disconnect. So the human child is 2x as smart at 6months, as he will be at 1 year, and one year is 2x smarter than he will be at 2years, 2 years 2x smarter than he will be at 4 years, etc... So in affect,, Nature gives us the start, then Nurture decides where it will all go. Making us the most adaptable species in existance
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