Why are so many anti science? This includes anti GMO, anti vaccine, anti evolution, and believing in woo. (Page 5)

AretoNyx
AretoNyx: Can you prove you exist more than a moon?
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lori100
lori100: no
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AretoNyx
AretoNyx: So are you an illusion Lori ?
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lori100
lori100: no...as far as I know ...some scientists think we live in a hologram though.......
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AretoNyx
AretoNyx: More likely " I do not know" should be the answer as you have not evidence for claim or can provide burden of proof. This if going along that line of how scientists work out in process , and then one can test hypothesis.
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AretoNyx
AretoNyx: Probability is one thing and hypothesis based with empirical evidence. Though opinions and belief based on anything is another.
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lori100
lori100: psst......her parents prayed for a miracle...... -----..
Miracle? Texas girl's inoperable brain cancer disappears - USA Today


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2018/12/...girls...cancer.../2346822002/



1 day ago - Roxli Doss was diagnosed with a deadly brain cancer in June. ... A young girl's inoperable brain tumor is miraculously gone and her family is ...
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terryanderson1986
terryanderson1986: Neptune is responsible ... he told me ......
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AretoNyx
AretoNyx: True Terry it is possible even other thinks like invisible pink unicorns fix things.
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lori100
lori100: miracles happen
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AretoNyx
AretoNyx: Thing of the gaps is not a great fallacy to rely. Even gods and goddesses of the gaps all pray to cure all in faith heal leading to child death.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3153535/

There is a thing where it has been tested how prayer isn't a cure all, and is not always why things happen. Even winning sports games to natural disasters. Just saying.

Something else about knowing prayer is the only thing that cured cancer always...how do people that claim such know they gave cancer? Do they go to doctors helping them with science, or something tell them that is supernatural? I am suspicious of just believing everything I see and hear to be true just because of wishing it to be so. Some still will believe things and I do not mind, but how honest is it to believe untrue things especially without good reasoning?
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terryanderson1986
terryanderson1986: Everything is a conspiracy.... and my ankle itches .... a sure sign that someone is going to have cheesecake and not invite me ....
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Angry Beaver
Angry Beaver: My ankle itches cos it has a psoriasis spot on it
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AretoNyx
AretoNyx: I swear newer nonsense from same old snake oil happens often. Well even if unregulated big woo make big money with little to no consequences there is legal ways to get away with conning. Is it that people want to get conned or should they be pitied when choosing to be fooled?
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terryanderson1986
terryanderson1986: It's a new year and I would like to find a new conspiracy that was fun and possibly lead to invitations to secret cheesecake parties ....
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AretoNyx
AretoNyx: That conspiracy would be more fun.
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Evelyn99
Evelyn99: Don’t think religious backgrounds have much to do with interest for science. Many religious people are some of the best people here is far as being active in science
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theHating
theHating: maybe it is propaganda designed to destroy trust in our professionals and experts
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arnym
arnym: Well, just for fun .....

Let's consider black holes. Do they really exist; and if so are their physical properties known & understood? Is there a scientist who can provide evidence that a person of average intelligence & education would understand & find conclusive? I doubt it (try me ). If not, I have no special reason to believe black holes couldn't be just high-falootin' "Woo."
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terryanderson1986
terryanderson1986: There is a lot of easy to understand science on black holes . but you have to 1 google it, 2 read it.
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Evelyn99
Evelyn99: Doubt Stephen Hawking used google alone to achieve the knowledge he was known for
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arnym
arnym: @terryanderson1986: Actually I have no real interest in black holes; only used them to say how a person might not feel able to just swallow any current belief of people who call themselves scientists. Black holes are something I can shrug about. I don't expect them - if they exist to affect the life of anyone I know. I'm a black hole agnostic.

Climate change, on the other hand, is something I'm very disturbed about. I think it's going to be very important for the human race. Scientists who believe it's caused or exacerbated by human activity may be right, wrong or confused but either way I think we can't afford to assume it's not affected by what we do.

So I 'choose to believe' that we can make a difference, and I support/approve efforts to reduce the rate of the warming that I 'choose to believe' is underway.

The fact is that very few of us has a way of getting direct evidence, never mind proof, concerning much of what we think of as our knowledge. Most of it is just belief; and it's generally based on anecdote or hearsay; learned in school, told to us by others, read in print, or (shudder) 'Googled.'

We choose what to believe, whether or not we have hard evidence; and why not - how could it be otherwise? Unless of course we can say "I don't really know, so I'm undecided." - but there's not much of that on these forums. Why, I wonder?
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theHating
theHating: spoken like a true don of the tin foil hat

also, the only people making "assumptions" about anthropogenic climate change are NOT scientists, as you seem to think, but wealthy corporations that have seen the largest decline in their profit margin since they themselves began researching their own carbon footprint. in an effort to satisfy shareholders, corporations like exxon and bp make more money shilling than they do just operating a by-the-books industry business model. what op is asking in their loaded question is WHY THE F*CK DONT YOU PEOPLE TALK ABOUT ACTUAL CONSPIRACY AND ACTUAL CRIMES. heres one, the conspiracy of exxon and bp to cover up and avoid any implication that their business model is seriously outdated and is being replaced (something the conspiracy nutjobs always say is GOOD for the capitalistic economy). so, yes people will believe what ever they want to, nobody will argue that stupid bit of brainless idiocy, ahemm. but if want to be downright ignorant, just dont use your ignorance as an excuse to, i dont know, start a trade war with another country for absolutely no reason, but actually there is a reason...

can these egomaniacs get some f*cking self control?
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terryanderson1986
terryanderson1986: @ Evelyn ... Sadly I am not Hawking or any of the others like Albert etc so I have to google them and read the ideas and thoughts they have .... @arnym why post about stuff your not interested in ..... Climate change needs no intro .. it is a very worthy subject to discuss. @hating are you trying to state that corporations try to downplay the harm they do to the climate not to mention our air and water .... well I think we all know that ..... and trump is helping them.
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arnym
arnym: @ theHating: f*king and self control don't often co-exist.
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