The Begining and the End! (Page 5) Zereous Excentris: you are saying that carbon dioxide and monoxide are contained in the wood and those atoms form a molecule in the wood that splits away.. whats the red flame then like.. Atoms? its tons and tons and tons and tons of Energy.. that HAS to come from SOME ware.. and its not comeing from Electrons.. and i dont know how.. whan an Atom Fissions from an atom.. it does not just.. Generate.. I mean it does not let things Appear.. is there something inbetween that holding it together.. and what is that? So the Electrons hold Atom to atom forming a molecule.. now when that molecule split Energy just appears? from ware (Edited by Zereous Excentris)  Corwin: You need to wait until I've answered one question before you ask another, or go off on an incorrect tangent. Plants absorb certain wavelengths of solar energy to power photosynthesis. It's not so much adding the Photons into the atoms, it's taking the energy from the Photons and converting that energy for it's own uses so it can rearrange simple molecules into different and more complex molecules. Plants take CO2 and sunlight energy (among other things) to create sugars, which are complex organic molecules. It then uses those sugars to build cellulose and everything else that the plant is made of. Zereous Excentris: carbon Monoxide, Dioxide and Ash.. if the Molecules just broke apart... ware is all the atoms from the wood? Corwin: I explained this already. Those ARE the atoms from the wood. The wood was made out of complex organic molecules that consist of Carbon, Nitrogen, Hydrogen and Oxygen. The word "Organic Molecule" means "Carbon Based". Take a complex carbon molecule like say Sugar (C12 H22 O11) and break that down, and it's not hard to see how something as simple as CO2 would be a byproduct. Corwin: In a nutshell (oversimplifying it): It took one heck of a lot of sunlight energy to build something as complex as C12 H22 O11... break that down into simple molecules again like CO2 and Carbon, and all that energy that the plant spent it's life absorbing is released again. Zereous Excentris: Sugur is in the SMOKE?... Or is Sugur in the ash.... Hmmm... OK Oxygen itself.. Is it a Molecule? 2-O.. You have fire in a small room and all the Oxygen turns into Monoxiiiiiiidee.... Co2... Did an atom get added to the O2? changing the Molecule or.. like did the O2 Split up or something What happened to the O2 Corwin: Two Oxygen atoms comprise an Oxygen molecule, or O2... Ozone is O3. Oxygen doesn't like to be alone... same as Hydrogen (H2) and Nitrogen (N2). Oxygen doesn't turn into Carbon Monoxide, a chemical reaction bonds the Oxygen and Carbon into a new molecule. When you breathe, your body uses that oxygen to power complex chemistry within your body, and it picks up a Carbon on it's way out, and you breathe out CO2. A common byproduct of incomplete combustion is Carbon Monoxide (another molecule). Fire releases a lot of gasses that isn't smoke... just hot invisible gas. Much of the smoke is particles of creosote, which is made up of other complex carbon based molecules. White ash is mostly just left over Potassium, black soot is mostly Carbon. Burn some sugar in a pot on the stove, and that C12 H22 O11 will be nothing but a black chunk of pure Carbon stuck to the bottom of the pot. The rest of the Hydrogen and Oxygen went up in the air in some form or other. But the point is that all of the individual ATOMS would have remained intact throughout the process... it was simply a molecular rearrangement - a.k.a. Chemistry. Zereous Excentris: You have a room full of Hydrogen and Oxygen and you ignigt it into fire before they make water molecules.. what happens to the Hydrogen? ware does it go? Corwin: You will still make water, it will just happen a lot faster and more energetically (explosively, actually) But every single Oxygen atom and every single Hydrogen atom will remain intact... it's a chemical reaction, not a nuclear one. Think of "nuclear" as referring to "nucleus"... in chemical reactions the nucleus of the atoms remains unchanged... the atoms merely rearrange themselves on a molecular level. Zereous Excentris: Hey I found a Free Meal off of the Star with Corvins Help.. Light Splits Oxygen from Hydrogen You burn the Hydrogen and Oxygen and Light Splits it again and You burn it again and again and again and again and again and again... To bad the Free meal Ends when the Star Explodes.. Corwin: Still no free lunch, I'm afraid. We do this now with Hydrogen Fuel Cells. It requires energy to split H2O into separate H and O... and we get the energy back when we combine them again. It's more like a form of battery. But the energy still has to come from somewhere... but you can use solar energy to do that, like plants do. It's just that utilizing solar energy isn't free either... you have to build solar panels to change that solar energy into useable electricity. Zereous Excentris: Now light Evaporates water all the time.. So you just use light to split H and O.. and then You Formulate it around to Explode.. and then do it all over again.. Zereous Excentris: Something tells me light does not split the H2o up.. WTF are they teaching me in School Corwin: When water evaporates it is not changing molecular form... it's merely turning from liquid H2O into it's gaseous state of H2O gas, or Water Vapor. Splitting the H from O requires a tremendous amount more energy in comparison to evaporation. -------------- Oh... incidentally, we already draw power from evaporation... it's called Hydroelectric Dams. The Sun evaporates water, it falls as rain, and we Dam it up and generate electricity with it. Zereous Excentris: My Teacher.. Was Lie;ing to me and something tells me it was not her fault.. they told me that H and O Split up.. Somebody Deserves a Coal Slap Zereous Excentris: Ok Nevermind.. Hmmmmm.. Nevermind.. I wonder if it splits up Easy heated like that as a gas then if it is liquid... Corwin: You can split H2O up very simply by running an electric current through it... simple enough - it just requires a lot of current. Zereous Excentris: Well I guess it is Molecular then but its still an energy Reaction I Suppose.. Hmmm.. But the Atom Vibrating.. Now when You Smash an atom its kind of funny cuz all of that energy spills out.. theres tons of it and it kind of... Well atleast there is that.. Darn it Corvin You win this time but the fact remains that those protons and stuff are still writhing around and I dont know what causes that.. Cuz thats the reasion they Viberate so.. Instead of the Force going away and I am not convinced that force Lasts forever because the Universe had to begin somehow.. Energy is being spent there.. I guess when everything cools down those atoms stop Vibrating How was there even a Big Bang to Begin this thing then.. the Only Explanation is a Super Mass Black Hole going Super Critical Mass... Corwin: We really don't know what caused the Big Bang, and we have no way as of yet to even guess. We don't know what keeps the Laws of the universe in place... they just "are"... these Forces aren't powered by "energy" as we understand the word... they, and the universe itself, simply "is". This is where Science ends and Philosophy begins... and why some turn to "God" as an explanation (as usual - Humans always did that before we had Science to explain things ). ------------------ I tell you though... if we ever did learn that the Laws of the universe could be manipulated and "bent"... if these 4 Fundamental Forces could be persuaded to bend for us... we could do fantastic things. You've probably read in Sci-Fi about "Disruptor Beams" - a weapon where you aim a beam at something and it switches off the Strong Atomic Force in the beams vicinity... and KABOOM! All of the particles released instantly as energy with no force to hold the atoms together. That's a lot of fun to dream about, but we have no reason to think that something like that could be possible. Switching off Gravity sure would be nice... or flipping a switch and creating Gravity where there is none... that's a huge staple of Sci-Fi technology. (Edited by Corwin)  ldraco: zereon i would suggest that there is minus one dimmension.....where angelic entities dwell.....zero dimmension is the SINGULARITY expanding......good idea....use to amny of the sophisticates terms i found ....but good ...exept there is nowhere to ascend....to end we are bound.... | Science Chat Room 2 People Chatting Similar Conversations |