Climate research nearly unanimous on human causes (Page 3) Bumpa: Good point Serabi, Methane is a greenhouse gas about 23 times more potent than CO2. The IEA prediction of 3.6 to 5.3C temp rise is way off target though. My calculations are more like 0.03 to 0.05 deg. The models predicting temp rises due to CO2 levels have all failed. Time to put CO2 to bed.  Metaverseguy: Perhaps instead of swiss cheese ozone (o3), we should use artificial gold to shield us from damaging sun rays like described in Zechara Sitchin's unreliable book "The wars of god and men" where aliens came to Earth thousands of years ago to mine gold to "suspend gold particles in Nibiru's waning atmosphere."  the real slim DEEPy: the methane comes out of the atmosphere quickly. giving cows bean-0 is the australian short -term strategy to save the great barrier reef. the real slim DEEPy: and planting trees, the long term. methane reduction in the area will cool the surrounding currents, and they will shift, bringing rain to the outback, and foliage. the real slim DEEPy: bumpa,methane IS an accepted greenhouse gas, as ozone reduction IS related to solar radiation penetration into the lower atmosphere. ozone shields solar radiation in frequencies that would increase earths temperature, if not blocked. all frequencies of solar radiation increases the earths temperature, as various atoms of different spectrographic radiation properties absorb higher bands of solar radiation, and re-emit protons of lower frequencies, (heat frequencies). the magnetic field also shields from solar radiation- in 2 ways. it keeps the ozone layer from being blown off by solar winds, and it repels so much /12 of solar radiation not, that there is a permanent band of radiation- the van allen radiation belt. only the apollo program has the man passed thru the an allen belt. the fukashima earthquake slowed the day by about 3 seconds. every major tectonic event dose soch, and the gradual slowing of the earth, over time, has led to mor solar radiation getting past the van allen belts, thru the atmosphere- as the slowing of the earth reduces the magnetic field by athe moon has no magnetic field; thus it has long lost all its atmosphere. mars' atmosphere is very weak, and has led to a relative atmospheric reduction of lighter gasses, and an overall thin atmosphere. program has animal flatulence is anthropogenic, although government(s) propaganda state no natural greenhouse emissions- do you trust the government? (Edited by the real slim DEEPy) Bumpa: if it eats it farts, so all animals produce methane but the biggest source by far is melting permafrost in the arctic the real slim DEEPy: the most significant molecule to global warming is actually the water cycle. h2o is both a greenhouse gas, and a greenhouse gas reducer, in various parts of the cycle, and in the proper ph of ocean water, which is 1 ph level too acidic to support enough life to process an extra 3% o co2- due to massive water pollution. high humidity is a greenhouse gas, and clouds reflect solar rays away form the lower atmosphere, and back into the lower portion of the van allen belt. (Edited by the real slim DEEPy) the real slim DEEPy: coincidentally, 3% is also the percentage of greenhouse emissions which are due to current levels of industrialization, and another 3% due to animal husbandry. 93% is due to geologic or biological(un-domesticated) processes. Bumpa: Correct Deep, water vapour is the most effective greenhouse gas. without it, the world would be about 15 deg cooler and we'd all be dead. the real slim DEEPy: you do not understand the science behind greenhouse gasses. try starting here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_greenhouse_effect (Edited by the real slim DEEPy) the real slim DEEPy: bumpa, after reading that, and, i hope you clicked on their "wiki'd word" links, for unfamiliar terms, and the source material links, as well. the real slim DEEPy: i highly recommend linking every source, to examine its credibility. i also recommend that you study BOTH sides of the debate, as the deniers do not deny climate change science, as a whole- they challenge the accuracy of the timeline given by un climate council,, al gore, and governments'' propaganda, which leads the masses to accept more government regualion on business, and thel failure to recognize any factor other than co2 smission reduction- as the official pie charts of pollution oddly hav no percentage for any natural source of greenouuse gasses. surely you are not so naive to believe that wind animals not respirate, flatulate, and rot? . they also are very concerned with the misstatement within al gores "the inconvenient truth"- particularly with the lack of a prominent "disclaimer", a "correction" at the end of the video, or any voice-over, or bleeping of the 12 feet, which the un climate council corrected to be 12 inches, of seawater rise in the given time span. this means that the graphic of many Oceanside areas, including Manhattan, new orleans, and the Netherlands, was depicted as MUCH further inland, than with the proper 12 inch variable plugged into the modeling software. aAt the very least, a disclaimer oritated by the teacher o the class watching it should be a legal mandate- seeing tha tgovernment schools are allowing children to believe the 10x exaggeration, and work up support for more regulations over the business, the source of the power of a command economy the discovery of cilmate gate by an anonomous russian hacker uncovered a conspiracy of orchestration of the unCC. and government/university climatologists, and other involved physicists and such , to present consistent independent studies, thru the use of the 3+/- variance of statistics- to justify the conspiracy to use the +3%max ,applicable variant to the given figures, thru the mathematical discipline of statistical analysis , in cases that the ocean buoys failed to transmit an accurate temp. if the transmissions were not detected, or were so variant from previous, or other surrounding buoy transmitted temps, that they were considered inaccurate, they would use statistical analysis of satisfactory sample groups of previous temp signals of now-silent buoys , along with other bouys, which consistently transmitted temps with a past- observed, direct relation to the previous temps of the now-silent, or "grossly inaccurate" buoys. the biggest factor to the extent of the exaggeration is such presented data, is, how long a certain buoy remained radio-silent, and how many such dead, or perceived-inaccurate buoys were/are there at a given time. since all plugged in estimates were within the standard +/-3% variance of statistical analysis, the un council found *itself* INNOCENT innocent of all wrongdoing (Edited by the real slim DEEPy) Bumpa: Deep I think I have a reasonable understanding of global warming, after all it was the subject for my PhD, my job for 10 years and the topic of a book I am currently writing. As for referencing my facts; Not really appropriate on this forum, certainly if I was writing a paper for publication. I agree that there has been a tremendous manipulation of data by certain "scientists" in order to perpetuate the climate change myth and enable fortunes to be made through the carbon trading scams in some countries. Wikipedia is rather a suspect source of info for me, I have found too many errors in stuff I've looked at on it  Serabi: Elves:- http://www.scribd.com/doc/51835355/Oreintatioin-of-the-HAARP-ELF-ionospheric-dipole-and-the-auroral-electrojet the real slim DEEPy: i have never seen an elf, nor found a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow- wait, that is a leprechaun... perhaps an elf is a leprechaun, haling from Ālfheimrl- on the top, left branch of yggdrasi.(norse tree of life)..they have a secret biforst, and the end of the rainbow is the destination of the elven bifrost- gold stores, buried long ago in celtic lands by invading/occupying vikings- whom died before returning to their hidden stash of "booty". (Edited by the real slim DEEPy) the real slim DEEPy: um, bumpa, do you agree with the un and govenment(s)' posting of pie charts, with no slice at all indicating natural greenhouse gas emissions? a TOTAL omission, what are they hiding- they are hiding the 93% of emissions, which are totally natural, in origin. surely, you know that there ARE natural emission sources for water vapor, methane and other gasses in volcanic, geothermic, and tectonic activities, true? you do know that all animals respire, and defecate/flatulate, and that all dead plant and animal tissues decay- which also releases methane and other gases? | Science Chat Room 2 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
