What do you think about terraforming? (Page 2) lori100: National/World More than 78,000 people have already signed up for one-way mission to Mars Wednesday, May 08, 2013-----------HOUSTON (KTRK) -- A non-profit organization that wants to colonize Mars says it has no shortage of people willing to take a one-way trip to the planet. ---------------------------The group Mars One hopes to establish the first permanent settlement outside of Earth. For the past two weeks, they've been taking applications from people willing to volunteer to be sent to Mars in 2023. Mars One says a whopping 78,000 people have signed up so far. Each applicant is required to submit a one minute video explaining why they want to leave Earth and not come back. Mars One says it will continue to take online applications until August 31, 2013.  Corwin: Mars One is a farce, and a hoax. Their primary mission is to sell Mars One T-shirts and coffee mugs... which you can purchase from their website via Debit or Creditcard and Paypal... and of course they accept donations.... apparently they even accept Bitcoin donations. Although I doubt very much that any Aerospace manufacturers are going to accept Bitcoins in exchange for building their interplanetary spaceships for them. They've already received over $84,000 (which they proudly proclaim on their site)... some from donations, but mostly through the sale of their T-shirts and coffee mugs. But that is the gross amount received, which includes the cost of shipping and handling fees for these T-shirts and coffee mugs, so their actual profits minus manufacturing costs are likely a fair bit less. At this rate they may one day be able to move out of their mom's basement... although it may cost a bit more to put a colony on Mars. ---------- But they claim everything is in the works as we speak... by next year they'll apparently have an entire replica of this Mars colony up and running in some cold desolate place here on Earth, and will begin training their 40 selected Mars astronauts. Antarctica would be a suitable choice... but they may have to find somewhere closer to their base of operations located in their mom's basement. You should really check out their website mars-one.com... it's good for a laugh. Click on "mission" and go to "roadmap" and it shows how it all starts with a hand-drawn pencil sketch on a bar-napkin in 2011... and their first 2500 kilo Mars lander is scheduled to touch down on Mars three years from now. They'd better start selling a lot more coffee mugs.  lori100: visit the Nasa Space Shop------mugs, t-shirts, toys,magnets, key chains, collectible spoons,patches,stamps, envelopes, snoopy collectibles,flight suits, freeze dried ice cream,dvds, books, jewelry, hats ,autographed photos, genuine meteorite for only $12,000.-----,-Official Apollo 11 Signed Insurance Cover $27000.00------AMERICA'S MOONWALKERS - HISTORICAL AUTOGRAPH COLLECTION $27000.00---------NASA T Shirts | NASA Shirt - Space Shop www.thespaceshop.com/tshirts.html Items 1 - 16 of 18 – Shop the lates NASA t-shirts. From Shuttle Launch Experience shirts to classic NASA tees, The Space Shop offers authentic NASA shirts in ... (Edited by lori100) Corwin: Yeah, but there's a difference here.... .... the ONLY thing that Mars One does is sell T-shirts and coffee mugs. NASA works with a multi-billion dollar budget, and contracts several Aerospace corporations to build actual spacecraft that do actual space missions. NASA's many exploits are undeniable, and they have many decades of experience doing this sort of thing. NASA does NOT finance it's endeavors through the sale of fridge-magnets and key-chains. Here's Mars One's game plan --- Step #1 - Sell Mars One T-shirts and coffee mugs. Step #2 - ??????? Step #3 - Build several giant rockets, each topped with 2500 kilo Mars Landing Craft loaded with a whole bunch of futuristic neat-o stuff that doesn't exist yet, that will keep several men on Mars alive indefinitely.... and have it all done by 2023. ---- Who's going to flip the bill for this? You can't just sketch something on a bar-napkin, hand it to Lockheed-Martin and BOEING, and tell them to design and build it while you get busy raising the trillion dollars it will cost selling T-shirts and coffee mugs. NASA calculates that a simple manned return mission would cost upwards of 500 billion... which of course means twice that. But a permanent colony, consisting of several gigantic interplanetary landing craft... loaded full of technology that doesn't exist yet?? Well, how much do you think that will all cost? WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR IT?? lori100: who knows?.....maybe billionaires will donate like Sir Richard Branson and his space program.... Corwin: Even if they all emptied their pockets, Billionaires don't have enough combined money to pull off a Mars mission...mere billions of dollars are chump-change when it comes to a monumental task like a manned Mars mission. Only rich countries have that kind of money..... oh wait.... actually THEY DON'T. Which is why we haven't done it yet. Look at the International Space Station... who were the investors in that? Not rich men... it was the combined investment of 15 different countries... USA, Russia, Canada, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Switzerland, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Sweden... all pitching in the funds adding up to hundreds of billions, and the developing the technology necessary to make it happen..... ...... just to float some space-junk in low Earth orbit!! --------- What these Mars One jokers are suggesting is several times bigger and more technically advanced, and waaaaay more ambitious than the ISS... and they're going to build it on Mars??... without any government funding whatsoever?  Marklar: Yeah , Mars One is not happening. It is not a space agency, and they have no one qualified in space exploration in this so-called project. They did an AMA (Ask Me Anything) on the site Reddit a while back. People legitimately tore them apart. They couldn't answer the big questions where their flaws lie. They then did a second AMA, to try and recover... www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ufb42/ama_i_am_founder_of_mars_one_sending_four_people www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/uta10/iama_founder_of_mars_one_settling_humans_on_mars/ Corwin: Those guys really show themselves to be a joke on that AmA. They have a vegetarian chef on their team who apparently knows all about how best to grow vegetables on Mars... they'll merely "contract" a company to build their interplanetary spacecraft for them... and they'll pay for the whole thing by selling ads, seeing how it will all be such a popular media event. So simple... why didn't NASA think of this years ago?  Metaverseguy: Yea they are going to grow vegetables with almost no water and without any soil. Sure there's carbon dioxide, but the whole place is a desert. Only desert crops would have to start at first and it's typically very difficult to get plants to grow from dry, arid land.  oh_good_laughs: Sounds awesome. I would consider moving to another planet. I guess it would depend on what my family wants. idk, i am an inhabitant of Earth, and my ancestors.. Perhaps i wouldn't want to leave  ryan58581: you know wut, lets just take peice by peice off other planets and add them to earth this way earth gets bigger so we wont have to terraform it Metaverseguy: It's a giant rock. The only thing that would be different is there's volcanoes in different places and a mountain bigger than any other in the universe, yet the mountain is still a dirt rock so travel in some of the worst conditions ever to get there to see a giant rock. There's no beaches. There's no movies or music there. There's no porn. Most people would want to turn back. Also, as far as we know the core is inactive and atmosphere is unbreathable. The gravity is also too dense there. We aren't built to live on that place. 70,000 people though? I say let 'em try. They could surprise everyone or make fools of themselves.  LiptonCambell: /He's talking about Mars. There's a couple mistakes made(like its the largest volcano in our solar system, not the largest mountain in the universe), but yes, it's Mars. Corwin: Okay... a few errors then, if we're talking Mars. Largest known mountain is on Uranus's moon Miranda, a cliff over 20 km high. Mars gravity is only 1/3 of a gee... and there's practically no atmosphere at all, a few millibars of primarily CO2, about 1% the density of Earth's atmosphere at sea-level. But as far as a tourist destination, I would think that Mariner Valley would be a neat-o place to see... a canyon that makes The Grand Canyon look like a ditch. I think they should send a lander there so we could all have a better look... but apparently it's a pretty dicey place to try to land. Metaverseguy: Anyone ever notice that in Star Trek they fly through space at millions of miles an hour without being killed by radiation belts that litter our galaxy? I never hear them scanning ahead of where they're going. I guess it's science fiction though. LiptonCambell: I'm not sure about earlier shows, but I know for a fact that that asian kid Harry in Voyager kept going on and on about scans.....still, I'd bet their shields protect them.....and I distinctly remember one episode where everyone was put into cryostatis because of the radiation....or something?  Aura: shields and the reflector disk. One of the writers was once asked in an interview how the dish worked. Answer: "pretty well, thank you"  Metaverseguy: I'd never want to work on those stupid ships. They are way too strict, socialists, confined to a tiny tin vacuum, overwhelmed with a giant workload everyday, and have to wear uniforms and work in ranks. Corwin: Also, keep in mind that in Star Trek, the "Warp Bubble" that the ship resides in when traveling at Warp Speed exists outside of normal Space-Time... which is why they can disobey Relativity and the effects of Time Dilation, and seemingly travel faster than light (which is impossible for a ship existing in normal Space-Time) I imagine that they could fly directly through the heart of a star without being affected by radiation or normal matter while traveling in this state, with the only repercussions being how the gravity-well would alter their course, as gravity bends the Space-Time that the Warp-Bubble itself is traveling through. ---------- But on a less technical note... what's with those poofy uniforms? They go on away-missions looking like they're wearing their pajamas, and their weapons look like electric shavers. You wanna see what a really bad-ass away-team looks like?.... watch Starship Troopers or Aliens... now THOSE guys are ready for action. Corwin: Oh... and while we're on the topic... although I did love J.J Abrams' re-telling of the Star Trek saga, there is a blatant flaw in the Physics at the climax of the movie... I'll explain --- The "Red-Matter" creates a mini Black Hole that is swallowing the enemy Romulan ship... okay, fine... but the Enterprise finds itself also trapped in the Black Hole's gravity well... which even at maximum-warp they cannot escape. [1] Well.... firstly, the Event-Horizon of a Black Hole exists within normal space, and CANNOT create a pull any stronger than the speed of light... seeing how "maximum-warp" exceeds this speed many times over, they should have been able to escape easily. [2] Their brilliant solution was to eject the Warp Core and let the explosion blast them free... but the moment they ejected their Warp Core they would no longer have been traveling at warp-speed, and the Enterprise would have fallen into the Black Hole along with their ejected Warp Core. If maximum-warp wasn't enough to pull them free, then how could NOT traveling at maximum-warp hold the Enterprise in place as their ejected Warp Core falls into the Black Hole?? They would have either escaped easily, or would have been doomed... you just can't have it both ways..... I call  on J.J. and his poofy writers. Metaverseguy: A warp bubble? Anything that has matter cannot approach light speed. And I don't know how they can magically just escape the fourth dimension of space-time. Again science fiction. And I worked on a ship that had a bunch of people that knew everything about each other. It was terrible. Plus it was all mostly dudes so they would usually bang the chicks on tours around the world. And occasionally you'd go to grab a tool and you'd see a couple dudes buttfucking each other in the corner. They never talk about it in the show, but it's pretty conscious when working in an environment like that. Corwin: When matter falls into a Black Hole it reaches the speed of light at the Event Horizon... that's not science-fiction, that's a fact. This "Warp Bubble" they refer to in Star Trek is a convenient plot-device to allow them to jump many light-years through space, without also jumping many years forward in time, which is what would happen according to Relativity if you traveled at the speed of light. Space "commerce" would be impossible if decades had passed every time you arrived at your destination. If we one-day do develop light-speed travel, (which is in fact theoretically possible now that we've discovered the Higgs Boson), this will be the reality of deep-space missions... you could sign up for a voyage to the Orion Nebula 500 light-years distant, which may only be a couple of years for you "ship-time" (due to the effects of "time-dilation", which is science-fact not science-fiction)... but on your return to Earth a thousand years would have passed, and everyone you ever knew would be long dead. We could never have commerce with a such distant planet... you could send a phone call to Orion to tell them you're coming, and it would arrive just before you did, 500 years in the future. To have a true "Interplanetary Empire" we would need something like a "Warp Bubble" to break the rules of Relativity, as well as some form of "faster-than-light communication"... nothing on the drawing board just yet, but you never know what we may discover in the future. But about ship crews... crews selected for long space-flights will be selected much the same way they select Navy submarine crews... they are painstakingly selected for having a stable personality and being psychologically sound... and obviously well suited to be confined in cramped quarters for long periods of time. And there is strict discipline on board a military vessel. This ship you you worked on was obviously not a Navy vessel, and likely wouldn't reflect the general attitude aboard a Starfleet vessel, any more than it would reflect that of a Navy submarine. | Science Chat Room Similar Conversations |