evolution vs creationism (Page 18)

CoIin
CoIin: P.S. Two doughnuts in a vat of boiling oil

Doughnut1 : Hot here, isn't it?

Doughnut2 : Wow! A talking doughnut!

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lori100
lori100: Einstein believed in God, spirit and religion......he was a Creationist.....case closed....------------- But, on the other hand, every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.

— Albert Einstein

Letter (24 Jan 1936). Quoted in Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Albert Einstein: The Human Side (1981), 33.

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God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically.

— Albert Einstein

Quoted, without citation, by Léopold Infeld in Quest (1942, 1980), 279.

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In the beginning (if there was such a thing), God created Newton’s laws of motion together with the necessary masses and forces. This is all; everything beyond this follows from the development of appropriate mathematical methods by means of deduction.

— Albert Einstein

Autobiographical Notes (1946), 19. In Albert Einstein, Alice Calaprice, Freeman Dyson , The Ultimate Quotable Einstein (2011), 397.
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Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind.
— Albert Einstein

Comment made at 'Science, Philosophy and Religion' Symposium in New York (1941). In Ralph Keyesr, The Quote Verifier, 51. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. All these aspirations are directed toward ennobling man's life, lifting it from the sphere of mere physical existence and leading the individual towards freedom.

— Albert Einstein

'Moral Decay', Out of My Later Years (1937, 1995), 9.
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lori100
lori100: Einstein quotes on God-----------I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------3.My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------6.The scientists’ religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------10.We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------12.When the solution is simple, God is answering.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------14.God is subtle but he is not malicious.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------To know that what is impenetrable for us really exists and manifests itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, whose gross forms alone are intelligible to our poor faculties - this knowledge, this feeling ... that is the core of the true religious sentiment. In this sense, and in this sense alone, I rank myself among profoundly religious men.
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lori100
lori100: That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.--------
Albert Einstein
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------God may be subtle, but he isn't plain mean.------
Albert Einstein
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Corwin
Corwin: Einstein also didn't buy into Quantum Mechanics.... what's your point?
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lori100
lori100: Just letting science people know the great Scientific mind of the past century believed in God, spirit, intuition, and religion.....they seem to think scientists don't believe in all that....
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Corwin
Corwin: Considering that Einstein was a mathematician, and not an Evolutionary Biologist, I fail to the how that is relevant to this discussion.
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lori100
lori100: I bet he was a creationist, he believed strongly in God, and said God created Newton's laws....
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Corwin
Corwin: So?
If Einstein believed that tiny angels dance on the head of a pin, does that make it the truth?
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lori100
lori100: hmmm....to some it might...
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CoIin
CoIin: Einstein made it clear time and time again that he did not believe in a personal providential God of the Judeo-Christian variety. I quoted AE in another thread recently where he discloses he considers any such notion of God to be "childish superstition".

Einstein was probably closest to what we would call a "pantheist". On one occasion, I remember him saying explicitly, "My God is Spinoza's God". And if I understand that remark correctly, he's basically saying that God and nature are one and the same thing. For example, his famous "God does not play dice" can be safely read to mean "Nature does not play dice". Anyway, he's not around to correct me.

He certainly DID believe in, and emphasize the importance of, intuition. Science isn't as methodical as some would like to believe. If science were simply a matter of following a cookbook, as envisioned by one of her founding fathers, Francis Bacon, then we could all do it more or less equally well - "geniuses need not apply".

The truly revolutionary insights in science require a mind with the intuitive and imaginative power of a Galileo, or a Kepler, or a Newton, or an Einstein.
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Corwin
Corwin: Stop contradicting Lori.

Lori is the voice of reason, and knows more about the "real" Einstein than any of us stupid slobs ever will.

If Lori says that Einstein is a devout Christian with a firm belief in a personal providential God, then THAT'S the way it is.
Creationism is the "truth"... flying saucers are "real"... the Loch Nesse Monster is "real"... the Earth is in fact hollow... Einstein and Hawking demonstrated this very clearly, if you cared to pay attention to Lori's infinite wisdom.

To believe anything else would only demonstrate that you cannot think outside the box, and that you have your head stuck in a hopeless loop of "rational" thinking.

I will now climb to the top of my roof and leap off.... I will fly like a bird.... you just see if I don't... because I can think outside of the box... therefor I can fly.

I am smart.
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CoIin
CoIin: On these forums, it seems that everyone's trying to claim to piece of poor Albert.

Why don't they try to claim a piece of Justin Bieber instead?
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lori100
lori100: Where did I ever say Einstein believed in a personal God? I did not. Einstein believed God existed and in the value of religion. What type of God he believed existed , I have not found yet. I also believe in God being everywhere, in everything, and is continuously creating ...And yes flying saucers are real, Nessie might be too. Don't disrespect Nessie!
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CoIin
CoIin: Ahem, where did I ever say that Lori believes that Einstein believes in a personal God?
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CoIin
CoIin: Nessie had better be real or the Scottish tourist industry is screwed.
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lori100
lori100: I imagine Nessie has a Scottish accent....whenever she might roar to scare people...
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lori100
lori100: wikipedia------According to Prince Hubertus, Einstein said, "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."18-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.

- Albert Einstein, Time magazine, 23rd December, 1940 p. 38
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Actually the Vatican was a great supporter of the Nazis
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duncan124
duncan124: " In 1931 Einstein published an article in the magazine Forum and Century titled, “The World as I See It.” After summarizing his ideas on scientific and social issues, he proceeds to address his views on true religiosity:

“A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, our perceptions of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which only in their most primitive forms are accessible to our minds—it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute true religiosity; in this sense and in this sense alone, I am a deeply religious man.”[xi]
Einstein clarifies that he does not believe in a God who rewards and punishes humans. Furthermore, he expresses certainty in the view that there is no afterlife for humans, and that people who believe in such a hope do so either because of “fear or absurd egoism.”[xii] He instead was satisfied with the opportunity to exist and to marvel at the wonders of creation: “I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness of and a glimpse of the marvellous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature.” [xiii]"

http://michaelcaputo.tripod.com/einsteinandgod/

Those who believe that Nazis are going to save their bacon are going to get wacked.
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Intolerance
Intolerance: Einstein may or may not not have believe in God is pointless, a person has to confess their sins and live for God and his only son, and since he didn't, I think we all know were he's going.
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Corwin
Corwin: It's hard to believe that once upon a time, this thread was a discussion about Evolution vs. Creationism.
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Intolerance
Intolerance: Creationism is called "the contreversy" now by anyone on the know.
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Corwin
Corwin: There really isn't any controversy... at least not within the Scientific community.
Creationism is based on myth and superstition, and Evolution is based on hard Science and fact.
When we cracked the Genetic Code, and unraveled the mystery of DNA, we pretty much held the smoking gun of evidence supporting the process of Evolution.

It's pretty much an established fact of Biology now... which is why the Church needed to re-evaluate their position on the matter and invent their new chatch-phrase "Intelligent Design"... which is Creationism re-packaged to come off as some form of Pseudo-Science. Intelligent Design is a way of accepting the fact that life evolves, but allowing for a Supreme Being to be shepherding the whole process according to Divine Plan.

The real controversy is all about how religious factions want to teach this Pseudo-Science in the classrooms as a legitimate alternative to real Science.
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Intolerance
Intolerance: The fact remains that we need to stop teaching evil-ution, I say its evil because it lacks the morality and purpose that Fear of God gives you. If we keep teaching these worthless fairy tales, then Gods judgement its going to come down upon us. Think about this, why is it that as we become less god fearing, our nation becomes less powerful (America, and western civilization - western meaning chirsitan)) .
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Corwin
Corwin: ^^^ TROLL ALERT ^^^

I get the impression that your heart is not exactly in your words. Your name is "Intolerance", you post the Confederate flag in your pics, the words "Anti-Science" on your avatar, on your wall you admittedly state that you are intolerant and fanatical ... and you're spewing Right-Wing religious fanaticism in the Science Forum.

I don't think you're even religious... I think you're just a troll trying to stir up shit.

Go away.
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