Poll: Space Exploration is it or isn't it a 'waste' of time & money?

Comrade_: I was reading another thread that brought up this issue, did some reading online and saw that it isn't a new issue.
What is your stand? Do you see the exploration of space as being a 'waste' of resources or not?

One Bar: Considering what space exploration has done for us in the past and that scientific research is always a good way forward: no, space exploration isn't a waste of time or money.

hairytoes: the global plan for the un or big brother or what ever you want to call them, is to wipe out war. however, if global peace is achieved, it will create certain problems. one of them being, the effect a lack of war will have on global economy. therefore, substitutes for war are required. one of them being space exploration.for a real eye opener, go read this report commisioned by the kennedy administration in 1961.chilling. http://www.teachpeace.com/Report_from_Iron_Mountain.pdf

xapim: i think its a waste of time and money, though mantianing may be diffrent to me and ironic ? maintaning may include some exploration, iv read putting a ship on mars ??? discovering a new solar system that may take longer then human life to arive there ??? these bks were kinda believe it or not to me......

LiptonCambell: I think we should continue to invest in space travel, but should we continue sending people up in orbit? Nah. We need more efficient means to the end.

Sorang: nope. it isn't for obvious reason.

One Bar: Is sending people up into orbit not cheaper than blasting them into space from ground level?

StuckInTheSixties:

The two most effective ways that modern man develops high technology is war and space exploration. Both of those pursuits have spun off technology that has become invaluable to us, such as the computers we all use to access this website. There are countless other examples.

I don't recommend war.

I do recommend space exploration.

One Bar: War helps keep our population down. If it wasn't for wars then we'd probably be extinct by now.

kat82: I agree with StuckInTheSixties. Space exploration is helping us, human beings, to understand things about stars and everything that surrounds us. Plus it makes us speed up technology, which is really important in our lives. As for war I don't recommend it either...

One Bar: I don't recommend war either. Even though we probably depend on it.

LiptonCambell: To a certain degree, some business's do, yes

Azimuth_Predator: I believe that is is definitely NOT a waste of time and money.

Thats cause we have made so many discoveries that prove us wrong in our way of thinking when it comes
to possibilities of life forms and when it comes to trigonometrical speculations of orbit and meteorological forces and frequencies not to mention chemistry and evolution.
For example the Pegasus region has completely schooled us in way of thinking and knowledge as well.
It has opened our minds and made us more creative and aware of how astrophysics and other physics work.
One perfect Example is the OVAL orbits of a planets. There is one gas planet which has a moon that's the same size of our earth and has the same elements as well. Its really interesting to observe the meteorological events that occur on that moon cause the shifts happen so rapidly when it enters or exits the safe zone from the star.
What about Planemos? And theories of bacteria that might exist there with out photosynthesis due to chemistry of soil for example.
Discovery is always worth time and money cause it brings something new to the table and that new might be solutions to various areas.


You know what i call waste of money?

War is definitely 1st on the list. The other would be thousands of dollars for Gucci bags and diamonds.
I find that completely stupid.

One Bar: Nice trolling.

StuckInTheSixties:

It's like he carefully studied another Wireclub troll, and emulated him.

One Bar: Oh, it's you. I forgot I made you stand outside.

Azimuth_Predator: LOL you are both funny.

But i do have to say that stuck in the Sixties has more knowledge than One Bar when it comes to Astrophysics. That is my opinion. I might be wrong.

But i will agree with One bar on War is a waste of money. People should not depend on it anymore.

I think "Mass Creation" is a trillion times better than "mass destruction".

hellbhoy: We spend billions or trillions on space exploration while people sleep on the street in the richer Western societies.Unless the investiture gave us "zero point energy" and endless cheap power I see no point in all that money be wasted.

Billions of pounds or dollars so a scientist can say we we think we have found what looks like a black hole or exploding red super giant.And what is this black hole or other ? 16 pixels slowly fluctuating on the ultraviolet band WTF man.And over the next ten thousand years we can study it in detail ? study 16 pixels !!!,like we will not have destroyed ourselves and the planet by then.

What if they found huge gold deposits on Mars ? imagine wearing gold as cheap or cheaper as silver ?.

The money would be better spent on sorting the worlds problems first,then after that space is the next big thing.

StuckInTheSixties: hellbhoy says:
"We spend billions or trillions on space exploration while people sleep on the street in the richer Western societies.Unless the investiture gave us "zero point energy" and endless cheap power I see no point in all that money be wasted."

The amount spent on space exploration is a microscopic pittance compared to the amount needed to end poverty.

The investment in space exploration has paid the world back many, many times over for what the technological gains have provided to everyone.

It's not money wasted. Of all of the ways that money can be spent for the benefit of mankind, it's one of the best, maybe even THE best.

hellbhoy: Yeh SITS ! name a few things that space exploration has benefited us other than "Satellites" which actually are not in space but in an orbit in the outer atmosphere.

And the money is still a waste of expenditure after googling and surfing for the benefits of it.There is not a lot there we would not have invented or found out eventually without a space exploration program in mans pursuit of knowledge I wager.

What about the US military space program on how to drop a nuclear bomb more quicker and efficiently on your enemy ? is that money well spent.Or on a laser satellite that can fry a person at a molecular level in a crowd of people to within a fraction of a millimetre ?.Or on a program for a giant space bunker in space for the rich and powerful to run to when the world finally blows itself up ?.I have loads of these so called expensive benefits that the space exploration programs has you don't know about or did know but forgot in shooting me down ha ha.These are expenditures the world can deffo do without that are just a sheer waste of money on all the wrong reasons and the costs deffo runs into the billions.

StuckInTheSixties:

Ahh, hellboy, I've missed your presence. Your penchant for insisting upon totally incorrect "facts" never fails to entertain!

hellbhoy says:
"Yeh SITS ! name a few things that space exploration has benefited us other than "Satellites" which actually are not in space but in an orbit in the outer atmosphere."

Wrong. Satellites are in space. Were they not, the drag of the atmosphere would quickly cause their orbits to decay, and they'd just fall back down to earth. Satellites have to be in the vacuum of space. Come on, dude! A little common sense, please!

hellbhoy says:
"And the money is still a waste of expenditure after googling and surfing for the benefits of it."

Um ... try Googling the phrase "benefits of space exploration." Google provides "About 3,720,000 results (0.09 seconds)"

hellbhoy says:
"There is not a lot there we would not have invented or found out eventually without a space exploration program in mans pursuit of knowledge I wager."

Well, you'd be "wagering" foolishly. Besides, you are first arguing that space exploration DOES NOT benefit society, and now, you're arguing that those benefits would have occurred DESPITE space exploration. Make up your mind.

hellbhoy says:
"What about the US military space program on how to drop a nuclear bomb more quicker and efficiently on your enemy ? is that money well spent."

Apparently you haven't read much of this thread. I said before: "I don't recommend war." But that doesn't change the fact that it has led to many technological improvements that benefit society. It's just a terrible inefficient (not to mention immoral) way to go about that.

hellbhoy says:
"Or on a laser satellite that can fry a person at a molecular level in a crowd of people to within a fraction of a millimetre ?.Or on a program for a giant space bunker in space for the rich and powerful to run to when the world finally blows itself up ?.I have loads of these so called expensive benefits that the space exploration programs has you don't know about or did know but forgot in shooting me down ha ha.These are expenditures the world can deffo do without that are just a sheer waste of money on all the wrong reasons and the costs deffo runs into the billions."

Dude, you should really try to seperate reality from those cheezy movies you must be watching.

I've missed you, Dude!

hellbhoy: Hey SITS ? "try Googling the phrase "benefits of space exploration." Google provides "About 3,720,000 results (0.09 seconds)" if you google anything you'll hit millions of results in nanoseconds but does not mean it's all relevant does it ?.

I may point out that the military space program does come under space exploration so must be included in is it a waste if money.

Most of the technological advancements in space first came from the aviation industry,new alloys better propulsion systems for take off and high altitude,better and lighter insulation and cabin atmospheric pressure chambers to name a few and many others.

Try googling inventions made in space ! not many there with the amount money spent on the total amount of space exploration.So is not value for money.

As for you scoffing my military laser satellites SITS you couldn't be further from the truth have a look see at this USA today link from 2010,,,, http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2010-05-14-1Adeathray14_CV_N.htm ,,,, clearly shows the US spending billions on technology for frying someone at a molecular level at some point soon.They could probably pin point Hairytoes with his conspiracy theory aluminum hat on in his toilet and zapp him into a primeval soup in a nanosecond ha ha.

Also space and it's separation from the earths atmosphere is a debatable question these days with certain satellites in a lower orbit and short life span using motion to keep it's orbit even in a low atmosphere and why it circles the earth at speed to maintain it's height above the earth in a slingshot orbit.Some theologists maintain space only begins outside the earths gravitational magnetic pull even beyond the moon,some even say beyond the solar system as being space in it's definitive form as BEING SPACE and not occupied by anything other than SPACE ITSELF.

LiptonCambell: "Some theologists..."

....Did....did i just read that right?

One Bar: Ha ha. I was about to jump on that typo too.

LiptonCambell: What'ya support he meant to post? Scientists?

StuckInTheSixties:

hellbhoy says:
"if you google anything you'll hit millions of results in nanoseconds but does not mean it's all relevant does it ?"

Of course not. But the point is, by Googling "benefits of space exploration," a huge amount of data is available that corroborates that notion.

hellbhoy says:
"I may point out that the military space program does come under space exploration so must be included in is it a waste if money."

You're just being daft. You're jumping up and down, trying to disagree with me about something we actually agree on. Let me dumb this down for you:

Space exploration for peaceful purposes: More good
Space exploration for nonpeaceful purposes: Less good

hellbhoy says:
"Most of the technological advancements in space first came from the aviation industry..." etc etc.

Who's saying otherwise?

hellbhoy says:
"Try googling inventions made in space ! not many there with the amount money spent on the total amount of space exploration.So is not value for money."

Apparently, you ARE daft. Nobody is creating "inventions made in space." There aren't factories in orbit or anything. Those inventions are created here on earth, and USED in space.

hellbhoy says:
"As for you scoffing my military laser satellites SITS you couldn't be further from the truth ..." etc. etc.

I examined the article. All but a tiny bit of it deals with LAND or aircraft based laser technology. Nowhere in the article does it mention anything remotely like the "laser satellite that can fry a person at a molecular level in a crowd of people to within a fraction of a millimetre" you mentioned, nor does that article address any of that other fictional stuff you were ranting about.

The only mention of space based use is the anecdote regarding the Chinese using a laser to illuminate an American satellite. While the article doesn't specify this, Googling the phrase "2006 china laser satellite" brings up many references to the incident, in which China used a LAND BASED laser to illuminate the American satellite in orbit.

hellbhoy says:
"Also space and it's separation from the earths atmosphere is a debatable question these days with certain satellites in a lower orbit and short life span using motion to keep it's orbit even in a low atmosphere and why it circles the earth at speed to maintain it's height above the earth in a slingshot orbit."

Well, that's just a bunch of pseudo-scientific-sounding babble that shows you have little understanding of any of this issue. You're basically taking a scientific word here, a phrase there, and throwing them against the wall hoping they'll stick. You're embarrassing yourself.

hellbhoy says:
"Some theologists maintain space only begins outside the earths gravitational magnetic pull even beyond the moon,some even say beyond the solar system as being space in it's definitive form as BEING SPACE and not occupied by anything other than SPACE ITSELF."

(laughs) Lipton and One Bar addressed the "theologists" blunder, so I won't. But that's a continuation of what you were doing in the previous paragraph. It's babble, with no basis in fact.