Do you believe in Aliens? (Page 9)
hellbhoy: I've got a HUGE spanner and I'm gonna throw it right in here with a stick of dynamite.
Thread title ! Do you believe in Aliens ? ! and Tigerlime in the first post states they are on earth and I don't think he is mad as some might think.
Lets examine in detail in the title "Aliens" ! one definition of alien is life from another country and is not extraterrestrial life like we have been bouncing back and forth on like muppets at a chimps and Russells teapot party !.
So I'll get my tuppence in here and ask myself ! do I think there are Aliens ? YES ! and I know there is !!!!!! WOW did he just say that !!!!!.
My reasoning and proof for will be SITS ! har fecking har har.
Do I believe that SITS is an alien PMSL ? Hmmmmm YES because SITS comes from another country and SITS you can dictionary define or google that and try to argue your way out this one but you ain't gonna.
Same with LIPTON dude if you 2 demand proof then I have provided it to you on a plate.Does not matter what you thought because the thread title clearly states aliens and not extraterrestrial life.Finite,final,concluded,proved,can't be challenged because Tigerlime does not explicitly say not just extraterrestrial in his first post and mentions our solar system and earth.
Last post coz this thread sucks.
There is, of course, a difference between one meaning of the word alien (extra-terrestrial life) and another (a person with differing nationality). This hellboy points out in his attempt at clever rhetoric.
By the same token, there's a difference between the colloquial usage of the word "theory," and the scientific usage of the word "theory." Even though that difference was defined for him in detail, his refusal to accept that, or his inability to understand that (take your pick) provides the foundation for a great deal of his erroneous blather.
@hellbhoy: I never Mentioned Earth in my First Post. Also I should have Elaborated, or better put, Wrote more Specific what I intended to say. I never thought about "right" Words here and that it would all get so Critical as well as going into Minute Details.
The Intention of this Post was a Simple one to begin with. An "Easy" Question with an "Simple" Answer of what anyone else Believes/Thinks with some "Reasoning" behind why they do so. If you look at my other Posts they are very Simple ones. And my Intentions for this one were the same. But at least I got some stuff to Read here.
And my First Post and the Title... For the ones taking it more Serious than it should be:
Do you Believe in Alines? Meaning Extraterrestrial Life, in any way Possible. Might it be the ones Depicted in Movies, some other Extraterrestrial Life, Microbes, Bacteria, or anything else that we would Consider being Alive.
To my First Post in an more Elaborated way:
"As far as I know they are even in our own Solar System. Extra Terrestrial Microbes and such."
With that I meant something Mentioned here. The Meteorite from Mars that seemed to have Microbes or something. I haven't followed the Story then and don't know what the Conclusion of it was. But as far as I know and heard of then, there was the Talk about Microbes in a Rock that came from Mars.
"If we talk about Intelligent or more Complex Organisms then... Yes. The Universe is so Vast that the Possibilities are good that there are Intelligent beings out there."
Here I should have used the Words might be instead of are. As well as give my Reasoning for the Words "Possibilities are good". I think they are good due to:
The Vastness of Space where we still have to find an End if there is any. And it might seem there is a Multiverse out there. Hence the "Flow" of Galaxies toward one Direction, but that's an entire other Topic and would take too much Space away.
The Complexity of Life here on Earth for an Possible Example. Life Evolves and Adapts to the Surrounding, otherwise we wouldn't be here if it wasn't able to Adapt. This Adaptation is so Strong that you can find Bacteria everywhere, even where other Lifeforms wasn't able to Adapt. And Bacteria on the ISS Evolved and became more Lethal. Simply because of Zero G. Bacteria even could Travel on Meteorites and Live to tell about it, if they could talk.
Life doesn't have to be like we know it, and NASA found a Bacteria that doesn't use "normal" DNA. That can be read in an Earlier Post of mine.
From what we know, Harsh Conditions like Thunder, Pressure, Meteorites, Storms etc. seems to be what Turns Matter into Life. And those things could be on other Planets.
There are many Planets outside our Solar System. Each one could bear Life. The Moon Europa for Example, it's far away from the Sun, outside the Goldilocks Zone. But because it's Host Planet Pulls on it so much, it causes movement and movement is Heat.
And of course, last but not least, we are here. It would be a Horrible thing if we were Special by being the only Planet with Life, as well as the only Intelligent Life. And I wouldn't call us Special, not one bit.
All this and some more are Reason for me to believe (Not the Definitional Word, but what I would Define Believe as. Here it would mean being Positive about the outcome of...) that there might be Extraterrestrial Lifeforms out there.
Now it's Time for Bed...
Maotaijiu: Yes,i do believe so.the universe is big.n if we are exist ,y can't aliens exist?I m wondering if there is world in the mirro.
LiptonCambell: >>>The Moon Europa for Example, it's far away from the Sun, outside the Goldilocks Zone. But because it's Host Planet Pulls on it so much, it causes movement and movement is Heat.
Jupiter ejects tons of radiation. Any life that would appear on Europa would be infertile from radiation.
Potential for extraterrestrial life
A black smoker in the Atlantic Ocean. Driven by geothermal energy, this and other types of hydrothermal vents create chemical disequilibria that can provide energy sources for life.
Europa has emerged as one of the top Solar System locations in terms of potential habitability and possibly, hosting extraterrestrial life. Life could exist in its under-ice ocean, perhaps subsisting in an environment similar to Earth's deep-ocean hydrothermal vents or the Antarctic Lake Vostok. Life in such an ocean could possibly be similar to microbial life on Earth in the deep ocean. So far, there is no evidence that life exists on Europa, but the likely presence of liquid water has spurred calls to send a probe there.
Until the 1970s, life, at least as the concept is generally understood, was believed to be entirely dependent on energy from the Sun. Plants on Earth's surface capture energy from sunlight to photosynthesize sugars from carbon dioxide and water, releasing oxygen in the process, and are then eaten by oxygen-respiring animals, passing their energy up the food chain. Even life in the deep ocean, far below the reach of sunlight, was believed to obtain its nourishment either from the organic detritus raining down from the surface, or by eating animals that in turn depend on that stream of nutrients. An environment's ability to support life was thus thought to depend on its access to sunlight.
This giant tube worm colony dwells beside a Pacific Ocean vent. While the worms require oxygen (hence their blood-red color), methanogens and some other microbes in the vent communities do not.
However, in 1977, during an exploratory dive to the Galapagos Rift in the deep-sea exploration submersible Alvin, scientists discovered colonies of giant tube worms, clams, crustaceans, mussels, and other assorted creatures clustered around undersea volcanic features known as black smokers. These creatures thrive despite having no access to sunlight, and it was soon discovered that they comprise an entirely independent food chain. Instead of plants, the basis for this food chain was a form of bacterium that derived its energy from oxidization of reactive chemicals, such as hydrogen or hydrogen sulfide, that bubbled up from the Earth's interior. This chemosynthesis revolutionized the study of biology by revealing that life need not be sun-dependent; it only requires water and an energy gradient in order to exist. It opened up a new avenue in astrobiology by massively expanding the number of possible extraterrestrial habitats.
While the tube worms and other multicellular eukaryotic organisms around these hydrothermal vents respire oxygen and thus are indirectly dependent on photosynthesis, anaerobic chemosynthetic bacteria and archaea that inhabit these ecosystems provide a possible model for life in Europa's ocean. The energy provided by tidal flexing drives active geological processes within Europa's interior, just as they do to a far more obvious degree on its sister moon Io. While Europa, like the Earth, may possess an internal energy source from radioactive decay, the energy generated by tidal flexing would be several orders of magnitude greater than any radiological source. However, such an energy source could never support an ecosystem as large and diverse as the photosynthesis-based ecosystem on Earth's surface. Life on Europa could exist clustered around hydrothermal vents on the ocean floor, or below the ocean floor, where endoliths are known to inhabit on Earth. Alternatively, it could exist clinging to the lower surface of the moon's ice layer, much like algae and bacteria in Earth's polar regions, or float freely in Europa's ocean. However, if Europa's ocean were too cold, biological processes similar to those known on Earth could not take place. Similarly, if it were too salty, only extreme halophiles could survive in its environment. In September 2009, planetary scientist Richard Greenberg calculated that cosmic rays impacting on Europa's surface convert some water ice into free oxygen (O2) which could then be absorbed into the ocean below as water wells up to fill cracks. Via this process, Greenberg estimates that Europa's ocean could eventually achieve an oxygen concentration greater than that of Earth's oceans within just a few million years. This would enable Europa to support not merely anaerobic microbial life but potentially larger, aerobic organisms such as fish.
In 2006, Robert T. Pappalardo, an assistant professor in the Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics at the University of Colorado in Boulder said,
We’ve spent quite a bit of time and effort trying to understand if Mars was once a habitable environment. Europa today, probably, is a habitable environment. We need to confirm this … but Europa, potentially, has all the ingredients for life … and not just four billion years ago … but today.
In November 2011, a team of researchers presented evidence in the journal Nature suggesting the existence of vast lakes of liquid water entirely encased in the moon's icy outer shell and distinct from a liquid ocean thought to exist farther down beneath the ice shell. If confirmed, the lakes could be yet another potential habitat for life.
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ProfCandyRivers: Of course i believe in alien life. We may even find evidence of it one day. But space is vast. and planets are small. It will most likely be microbial. If it is intelligent, then maybe we should worry. I can only see space travel as being worthwhile if it is profitable, They may get to us first, or we may strip them of their resources.
Without any indications other than the suggestion that comes from the vastness of space, I stand firm to my insistence on waiting for actual evidence before committing to any beliefs whatsoever. That suggestion, though compelling, doesn't equate to evidence.
hellbhoy: SITS in theory you need some colloquial irrigation dude.You keep using "colloquial" do you even know what the word means ?.
A theory is,a none proven fact,maybe could be proved but not evident,could be the answer or solution in idea or math but not proven,a "thesis" basically that is scrutinized before peers to argue or maintain support that something could be evident without it actually being there but the theory fits that it could.
Even in colloquial use.
So if you believe in a theory then you believe in something that is not ! quote you "That suggestion, though compelling, doesn't equate to evidence".
Azimuth_Predator: Dude are you trying to convince SITS? lol
He is the copy paste master.
And he wont stop eating pop corn until you bring him proof! He demands proof! lol
You are waisting your time on this subject Hellboy.
I said something SITS never responded too cause there was no copy paste for that i guess.
I gave up on this topic. People can believe in anything they want. But SITS needs proof Hellboy. lol
xapim: as of scientific evidence , does the data collected by the "alien chasers" who show the images and such , who also have stores and other type count as evidence or just a catagory of those who believe ? as compared to tornado chasers , the tornado chasers found many facts of twisters and so have more knowledge and understanding. but it seems the alien chasers are entroprenuers ?
The data gathered by tornado chasers is actual, real data, because tornados are ... well ... real.
The "data" gathered by "alien chasers" is imaginary silliness because those aliens are ... well ... imaginary.
xapim: well, lets say a credited company supports "alien chasers" though data isnt produced due to; would the knowledge that aliens exist be world panic ? some think the data gathered is better as silly imagination. but there are many things that have developed through the bueatiful mind or silly imagination hasn't there ?
ProfCandyRivers: I don't think aliens are among us (although looking a some wire members). But I don't believe that life is indigenous to earth. Life is so simple and obvious that if it can occur somewhere then it will. I dont think life on this planet was created by god.
"Life is so simple and obvious that if it can occur somewhere then it will."
Unless it can't so it won't.
Isn't that a possibility?
ProfCandyRivers: of course it is a possibility, anything is possible, we'll find out soon enough. I think it would be amazing if they found microbes on mars as long as they don't give us space mumps.
I'm crossing my fingers for signs of life on Mars. The water is there, and it used to exist in quantities enough to flow.
xapim: i can't help but think "conheads"...i mean can you believe with all your hearth of a alien using a wire thing to call home ?
hellbhoy: Hey guys here are a few links to what is now believed to be alien life and one is from a NASA scientist himself,although yet to be verified by the scientific community in general it is very compelling !.
We may yet get better evidence with the new martian meteorite found in North Africa recently as it is said to be uncontaminated,and is yet to go through clinical tests for early martian atmosphere caught in air pockets inside it's core to see if the early martian atmosphere could have sustained life.
We wait for the test results !!!.